Tue Jan 22, 2013, 10:55 PM
OKIsItJustMe (13,517 posts)
LEDs Emerge as a Popular ‘Green’ Lighting
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/22/business/leds-emerge-as-a-popular-green-lighting.html?src=me&ref=general
LEDs Emerge as a Popular ‘Green’ Lighting
By DIANE CARDWELL Published: January 21, 2013 The lighting industry has finally come up with an energy-efficient replacement for the standard incandescent bulb that people actually seem to like: the LED bulb. Although priced at around 20 times more than the old-fashioned incandescents, bulbs based on LEDs, or light-emitting diodes, last much longer and use far less electricity, a saving that homeowners are beginning to recognize. Prices for the bulbs are falling steadily as retailers like Home Depot and Lowe’s sell them aggressively and manufacturers improve the technology. And because the light in LED bulbs comes from chips, companies have been able to develop software applications that let users control the bulbs, even change the color of the light, with tablets and smartphones. Apple sells a three-pack of such bulbs, made by Philips, with the hardware to operate them for about $200. “You’re seeing all of your growth in the LED category,” said Brad Paulsen, a Home Depot merchant. “We absolutely expect LED technology in four or five years to be the most popular lighting technology that’s out there.” ...
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| Author | Time | Post | |
| OKIsItJustMe | Jan 2013 | OP | |
| rhett o rick | Jan 2013 | #1 | |
| OKIsItJustMe | Jan 2013 | #3 | |
| rhett o rick | Jan 2013 | #13 | |
| Shankapotomus | Jan 2013 | #16 | |
| Bigbluebrush | Jan 2013 | #4 | |
| Shankapotomus | Jan 2013 | #15 | |
| tridim | Jan 2013 | #2 | |
| Bigbluebrush | Jan 2013 | #5 | |
| NoOneMan | Jan 2013 | #6 | |
| OKIsItJustMe | Jan 2013 | #7 | |
| NoOneMan | Jan 2013 | #8 | |
| NYC_SKP | Jan 2013 | #9 | |
| bluesbassman | Jan 2013 | #10 | |
| GliderGuider | Jan 2013 | #17 | |
| GliderGuider | Jan 2013 | #19 | |
| NoOneMan | Jan 2013 | #20 | |
| tridim | Jan 2013 | #12 | |
| GliderGuider | Jan 2013 | #18 | |
| tridim | Jan 2013 | #21 | |
| GliderGuider | Jan 2013 | #22 | |
| diane in sf | Jan 2013 | #11 | |
| Shankapotomus | Jan 2013 | #14 | |
| Chelsey Parker | Mar 16 | #23 |
Response to OKIsItJustMe (Original post)
Tue Jan 22, 2013, 10:57 PM
rhett o rick (26,752 posts)
1. I have seen them. Looks like they have cooling fins.
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Wonder if they get very hot.
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Response to rhett o rick (Reply #1)
Tue Jan 22, 2013, 11:06 PM
OKIsItJustMe (13,517 posts)
3. No, they don't get very hot
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Last edited Tue Jan 22, 2013, 11:11 PM USA/ET - Edit history (1) However, the LEDs need to be cooled.
http://www.electronics-cooling.com/2006/11/thermal-challenges-in-led-cooling/ |
Response to OKIsItJustMe (Reply #3)
Wed Jan 23, 2013, 09:00 AM
rhett o rick (26,752 posts)
13. Thanks for the link. You are right that they dont get hot but need cooling fins to transfer the heat
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away.
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Response to rhett o rick (Reply #13)
Wed Jan 23, 2013, 09:26 AM
Shankapotomus (2,317 posts)
16. This one doesn't
Response to rhett o rick (Reply #1)
Tue Jan 22, 2013, 11:08 PM
Bigbluebrush (66 posts)
4. They don't get hot, but...
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LEDs are very sensitive to heat. It shortens their life from almost unlimited to a year or two.
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Response to Bigbluebrush (Reply #4)
Wed Jan 23, 2013, 09:25 AM
Shankapotomus (2,317 posts)
15. Here is one that
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attempts to remove the need for a heat sink:
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/619878070/nanolight-the-worlds-most-energy-efficient-lightbu?ref=live |
Response to OKIsItJustMe (Original post)
Tue Jan 22, 2013, 11:01 PM
tridim (40,734 posts)
2. Interested, but waiting another year to start buying them.
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I'm sick of fluorescent light.
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Response to tridim (Reply #2)
Tue Jan 22, 2013, 11:15 PM
Bigbluebrush (66 posts)
5. I agree. Fluorescents are unnatural.
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I like LEDs but so many of them have a slightly blue cast to them. Since they can theoretically be combined to make most any color, I don't fully understand why the color isn't correct, or at least, adjustable.
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Response to OKIsItJustMe (Original post)
Tue Jan 22, 2013, 11:49 PM
NoOneMan (1,664 posts)
6. Still amazingly expensive
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It'd cost a fortune to replace my 400W HPS. You know how much oil I'd have to sell to make that kind of dough?
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Response to NoOneMan (Reply #6)
Wed Jan 23, 2013, 12:00 AM
OKIsItJustMe (13,517 posts)
7. Try a handful of these
Response to OKIsItJustMe (Reply #7)
Wed Jan 23, 2013, 12:19 AM
NoOneMan (1,664 posts)
8. How many is a handful?
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Last edited Wed Jan 23, 2013, 12:42 AM USA/ET - Edit history (2) I'd be interested in them if the numbers made sense....55000 lumens in this: http://www.htgsupply.com/Product-AgroMax-400-watt-High-Pressure-Sodium-Bulb.asp Not sure how many I'd need. Ill have to do the math. Might not even be worth for as little as I fire up my ballast anymore I think this is more comparable: http://www.htgsupply.com/Product-Gen3-UFO-LED-Grow-Light.asp And yes, I understand that electricity generated grow lights of any efficiency pales in comparison to using the sun. |
Response to NoOneMan (Reply #8)
Wed Jan 23, 2013, 03:38 AM
NYC_SKP (48,895 posts)
9. For what on this planet do you need 55,000 fucking lumens?
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The normal person can use not more than 5,000 lumens distributed evenly over 144 square feet.
What the hell are you needing 55,000 lumens for, a warehouse? |
Response to NYC_SKP (Reply #9)
Wed Jan 23, 2013, 04:44 AM
bluesbassman (12,900 posts)
10. About 5 or 6 nice healthy plants would be my guess.
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Response to bluesbassman (Reply #10)
Wed Jan 23, 2013, 12:09 PM
GliderGuider (15,160 posts)
17. Yeah, that would be about right.
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Response to NoOneMan (Reply #8)
Wed Jan 23, 2013, 12:13 PM
GliderGuider (15,160 posts)
19. I asked a guy about the UFOs once.
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When he stopped laughing he said, "Not yet grasshopper, not yet."
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Response to GliderGuider (Reply #19)
Wed Jan 23, 2013, 12:22 PM
NoOneMan (1,664 posts)
20. Yeah, I haven't looked at them for over a year
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I was wondering if we've made any progress in the meantime in terms of photons per watt and cost. Some people swear by them but I am perfectly happy with my archaic HPS.
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Response to NoOneMan (Reply #6)
Wed Jan 23, 2013, 08:44 AM
tridim (40,734 posts)
12. You should be using Ceramic Metal Halide anyway.
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Both HPS and CMH are more efficient than current LED's.
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Response to tridim (Reply #12)
Wed Jan 23, 2013, 12:10 PM
GliderGuider (15,160 posts)
18. I understood CMH was mostly used during flowering?
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More blue than the leaves can use, or something.
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Response to GliderGuider (Reply #18)
Wed Jan 23, 2013, 02:00 PM
tridim (40,734 posts)
21. CMH improves both veg and flower over HPS or MH/HPS.
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It's pretty shocking how well they work.
And as a bonus plants look absolutely amazing under white CMH light! |
Response to tridim (Reply #21)
Wed Jan 23, 2013, 02:04 PM
GliderGuider (15,160 posts)
22. Cool! Thanks, I'll keep them in mind.
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If I should ever need such lights, that is...
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Response to OKIsItJustMe (Original post)
Wed Jan 23, 2013, 06:52 AM
diane in sf (2,840 posts)
11. You can buy them at Lowes (a blue company) for around $10.00
Response to OKIsItJustMe (Original post)
Wed Jan 23, 2013, 09:23 AM
Shankapotomus (2,317 posts)
14. Great news!
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Considering all the negativity surrounding LED lighting only a few years ago.
And they are only going to get better. Here is one innovative design that attempts to remove the necessity for a heat sink: http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/619878070/nanolight-the-worlds-most-energy-efficient-lightbu?ref=live |
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