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Tue Dec 27, 2011, 04:31 PM

Yesterday it was a record 52F in Fargo.

"No such think as man-made global warming" my rear end. 52F, In Fargo, on the day after Christmas. Jesus Christ!

We are not supposed to have normal winter conditions (high of 10F, low of -5F) for another week.

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Reply Yesterday it was a record 52F in Fargo. (Original post)
Odin2005 Dec 2011 OP
Nederland Dec 2011 #1
Odin2005 Dec 2011 #2
Nederland Dec 2011 #4
jpak Dec 2011 #5
Nederland Dec 2011 #6
Bob Wallace Dec 2011 #7
Nederland Dec 2011 #8
NickB79 Dec 2011 #9
Bob Wallace Dec 2011 #11
Nederland Dec 2011 #13
guardian Dec 2011 #14
NickB79 Jan 2012 #20
CreekDog Jan 2012 #26
jpak Dec 2011 #10
Nederland Dec 2011 #15
jpak Dec 2011 #16
Viking12 Dec 2011 #17
CreekDog Jan 2012 #24
CreekDog Jan 2012 #25
stuntcat Jan 2012 #27
NMDemDist2 Dec 2011 #3
kestrel91316 Dec 2011 #12
AlecBGreen Jan 2012 #21
Systematic Chaos Jan 2012 #18
Bob Wallace Jan 2012 #19
AlecBGreen Jan 2012 #22
AlecBGreen Jan 2012 #23

Response to Odin2005 (Original post)

Tue Dec 27, 2011, 06:55 PM

1. That is called weather, not climate change (nt)

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Response to Nederland (Reply #1)

Tue Dec 27, 2011, 07:20 PM

2. Sez a resident Denier.

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Response to Odin2005 (Reply #2)

Thu Dec 29, 2011, 08:13 AM

4. That fact does not make my comment wrong (nt)

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Response to Nederland (Reply #4)

Thu Dec 29, 2011, 09:39 AM

5. Global temperatures are rising due to anthropogenic greenhouse gases

Boreal and temperate northern hemisphere temperatures are rising faster than the global average.

Get used to brown Christmases - and record high temps in the northern tier of states.

yup

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Response to jpak (Reply #5)

Thu Dec 29, 2011, 10:02 AM

6. Your comment has nothing to do with mine (nt)

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Response to Nederland (Reply #6)

Thu Dec 29, 2011, 11:14 AM

7. If the climate changes...

The weather will be different.

I can see the connection....

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Response to Bob Wallace (Reply #7)

Thu Dec 29, 2011, 12:12 PM

8. Missing the point

The weather in one particular city for one particular week is evidence of nothing. NOTHING.

Let me ask you a simple question.

If I were to go out and find some city somewhere in the world that saw unusually low temperatures for the last week would you accept that as evidence that AGW wasn't happening? Didn't think so.

The 'G' in AGW is there for a reason.

Get it?

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Response to Nederland (Reply #8)

Thu Dec 29, 2011, 12:22 PM

9. Yeah, it's not like this is a pattern or anything that might imply long-term climate change

If only we had some ways to compare things like this over time, like graphs or maps or something.

You know, something like this: http://www.arborday.org/media/mapchanges.cfm

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Response to Nederland (Reply #8)

Thu Dec 29, 2011, 12:49 PM

11. No, I got your point...

You point is consistently to downplay climate change.

You are totally correct that the daily temperature in one location is meaningless as a measure of how we're screwing our climate and our weather. What we have to do is to look at larger scale measurements and when we do we should not be surprised that it was t-shirt weather in Fargo in late December.

Here's what has been happening in the US...



And here's what has been happening over the entire globe...



The 'G' in AGW is there for a reason.

Get it?

The 'A' in AGW is also there for a reason.

Got that as well?

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Response to Bob Wallace (Reply #11)

Thu Dec 29, 2011, 04:18 PM

13. Now THAT is a valid piece of evidence

The OP is not.

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Response to Nederland (Reply #13)

Thu Dec 29, 2011, 07:03 PM

14. Valid evidence? Not really

 

The scale of the Global Land Ocean Temperature Index chart is in tenths of a degree. 8/10ths of a degree change in 120+ years...whoopty doo. A bunch of sound and fury signifying nothing. Frankly I'm surprised the chart only uses tenths of a degree and not hundredths of a degree as the change would appear more dramatic and they could scare more people.

The other graphic is equally unimpressive.

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Response to guardian (Reply #14)

Mon Jan 2, 2012, 12:50 PM

20. 8/10 of a degree in 120 years? The Muller study confirmed 1 degree C in 50 years

Once again, you're playing fast and loose with the facts as usual.

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Response to Nederland (Reply #8)

Tue Jan 3, 2012, 03:54 PM

26. the weather on one day or month or year is part of the samples

used to determine "climate".

to say they are independent of each other is laughable.

but then again, you admitted to being a climate change denier, without qualification --and that's laughable, though i don't mean to make fun of your religion.

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Response to Nederland (Reply #6)

Thu Dec 29, 2011, 12:23 PM

10. Is that why I can't go ice fishing next week?

Or why skiing sucks today?

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Response to jpak (Reply #10)

Fri Dec 30, 2011, 09:55 AM

15. No

The fact that your comment has nothing to do with mine is not why you can't go ice fishing.

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Response to Nederland (Reply #15)

Fri Dec 30, 2011, 10:50 PM

16. Humans are changing the climate and the ice data from Maine lakes clearly indiicates warming

deny that

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Response to jpak (Reply #16)

Sat Dec 31, 2011, 02:56 PM

17. Same in WI. I had to travel to far north MN to find fishable ice this week.

http://climatewisconsin.org/story/ice-cover

www.wicci.wisc.edu/download.php?fl=Coherence.pdf

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Response to Nederland (Reply #1)

Tue Jan 3, 2012, 03:52 PM

25. climate is the average of weather

so one day of weather is certainly part of the climate.

:youfail:

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Response to CreekDog (Reply #25)

Tue Jan 3, 2012, 04:13 PM

27. yah

when the weather is setting a record amount of records.. more records of records every year in fact.

And then the deniers I know will of course use the next snowstorm as evidence that everything's just fine LOL oh I laffed so hard I barfed..

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Response to Odin2005 (Original post)

Tue Dec 27, 2011, 07:35 PM

3. and here in the desert south eastern NM, we barely got above freezing yesterday

and not above freezing at all on Christmas with 8" of snow on the ground.

very 'climate changy' if you ask me.....

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Response to Odin2005 (Original post)

Thu Dec 29, 2011, 02:52 PM

12. It was 48F in Milwaukee on the 26th. Freakishly weird. The lawns there are still green.

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Response to kestrel91316 (Reply #12)

Mon Jan 2, 2012, 10:49 PM

21. we have cherry trees blooming in Virginia

crazy.

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Response to Odin2005 (Original post)

Sun Jan 1, 2012, 09:11 PM

18. Here in Vegas we should be in the mid 50s for highs.

Instead we're seeing upper 60s almost every day with an occasional cooldown to "normal." I think we're below "normal" like 2-3 days per month, if that.

Having to keep the windows open just to stop the sun from making the bedroom too warm in the evening in December sucks.

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Response to Systematic Chaos (Reply #18)

Sun Jan 1, 2012, 09:53 PM

19. It's a taste of things to come...

Consider getting some solar panels on your roof.

Likely to be a lot of air conditioner running in your future....

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Response to Odin2005 (Original post)

Mon Jan 2, 2012, 10:51 PM

22. its been a very mild fall/winter in VA so far

I believe some of it is a predicted consequence on a strong La Nina. Regardless, it has been noticeably warm for this time of year.



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Response to AlecBGreen (Reply #22)

Mon Jan 2, 2012, 10:52 PM

23. p.s.

Here is for the full year

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