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It's Earth Overshoot Day! (Original Post) GliderGuider Aug 2012 OP
Hmmmmm...Can't quite figure out Bigmack Aug 2012 #1
celebrate with the healing power of laughter phantom power Aug 2012 #2
The BEST thing you can do for the planet--that NO ONE talks about: BlancheSplanchnik Aug 2012 #3
Yes. I also wonder if Mom Nature is already lending us a hand. GliderGuider Aug 2012 #4
Agreed - I don't understand the pressure that others give to kids to have children Hestia Aug 2012 #7
Seems a bit arbitrary OKIsItJustMe Aug 2012 #5
So call it 150. Or email Mathis Wackernagel and ask him. GliderGuider Aug 2012 #6
Weirdly, I think you do need that many digits... caraher Aug 2012 #10
Nice insight! Thanks, I think that's a very good point. nt GliderGuider Aug 2012 #11
All of which simply tends to put me off OKIsItJustMe Aug 2012 #16
"Ecological Footprint" is an uneasy marriage of science and marketing. GliderGuider Aug 2012 #17
Would "Overshoot Month" have the same impact? caraher Aug 2012 #18
They're also piggybacking on memes like "Tax Freedom Day". GliderGuider Aug 2012 #19
Or you could look at it flip-sidedly: We need a few billion less people. Soylent Green for everyone! tclambert Aug 2012 #8
True. But we can't eat the North Americans GliderGuider Aug 2012 #9
Ha! Excellent. tclambert Aug 2012 #14
Except that half an hour later... GliderGuider Aug 2012 #15
Nice graph, but it does seem a tad biased towards China and India, though...... AverageJoe90 Aug 2012 #12
It's per capita, not per country. Nihil Aug 2012 #13
I'm not sure I like their data set, ... CRH Aug 2012 #20
This number makes the idea of overshoot more palatable to more people. GliderGuider Aug 2012 #21
 

GliderGuider

(21,088 posts)
4. Yes. I also wonder if Mom Nature is already lending us a hand.
Wed Aug 22, 2012, 02:23 PM
Aug 2012
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-israel-sperm-20120816,0,601440.story
Israel sperm banks find quality is plummeting

Dr. Jacob Ronen is in the sperm business. Among other things, as head of Cryobank Israel, the country's largest private sperm bank, he guarantees that his stable of superior donors includes only tall, twentysomething ex-soldiers whose sperm has passed rigorous genetic testing.

But finding such super sperm isn't as easy as it used to be. Only 1 in 100 donors makes the cut. A decade ago, it was 1 in 10.

Simply put, the quality of Israeli sperm is falling at an alarming rate, and no one's sure exactly why.

So the drop in the quality of sperm is raising some red flags, even though the cause remains a mystery. Speculative theories range from the mundane (carrying cellphones in front pockets) to the far-fetched (depleted uranium from exploded munitions). Some Israeli scientists are looking seriously at naturally occurring hormones, particularly estrogen, in Israel's water and milk and suggest that it's a mark of the country's aggressive dairy farming methods.
 

Hestia

(3,818 posts)
7. Agreed - I don't understand the pressure that others give to kids to have children
Wed Aug 22, 2012, 03:32 PM
Aug 2012

I was at the beauty shop the other day and a friends child found out she doesn't have a uterus. My first thought and out of my mouth was, "think of the money saved - no tampons, kotex, or birth control!" Major savings on all accounts. Of course, my comment wasn't appreciated. But but but, she can't have children! I said that possibly that her path in life is to help other children who desperately need it. There's a thousand other things to do rather than spit out a kid. This has been my attitude since my teenage years. My ex had to really talk me into have 1 and only 1 child. Thank Goddess it was the son he so desperately wanted because that was it! I'm lucky enough to be with a man who doesn't want children.

 

GliderGuider

(21,088 posts)
6. So call it 150. Or email Mathis Wackernagel and ask him.
Wed Aug 22, 2012, 03:29 PM
Aug 2012

It was probably done to better impress the proles, though. The ones who skipped the day on significant figures in school.

caraher

(6,278 posts)
10. Weirdly, I think you do need that many digits...
Wed Aug 22, 2012, 10:38 PM
Aug 2012

Not because the estimate is truly that accurate, but because the rhetorical device of choosing among 365 days the unique day to designate as "Overshoot Day."

OKIsItJustMe

(19,938 posts)
16. All of which simply tends to put me off
Thu Aug 23, 2012, 09:33 AM
Aug 2012

When you pretend to have greater precision than you have, this simply lessens your credibility in my estimation.

 

GliderGuider

(21,088 posts)
17. "Ecological Footprint" is an uneasy marriage of science and marketing.
Thu Aug 23, 2012, 11:49 AM
Aug 2012

The science is loaded up with assumptions, and then diluted on its trip to the marketing department. I think it means something, but mostly as another sciencey way of saying "!Estamos jodidos!" If it gets the non-scientific man on the street to ask what the fuck is going on here, I'm prepared to cut it some slack.

caraher

(6,278 posts)
18. Would "Overshoot Month" have the same impact?
Thu Aug 23, 2012, 12:31 PM
Aug 2012

I think that would better reflect the true precision of the estimate.

On the minus side, coarse graining things that much would make it harder to portray changes over time and lend the impression that efforts to improve are not worth making. Seeing "Overshoot Day" push back a little bit at a time might be less discouraging than having "Overshoot Month" just be August or September for years and years...

 

GliderGuider

(21,088 posts)
19. They're also piggybacking on memes like "Tax Freedom Day".
Thu Aug 23, 2012, 01:19 PM
Aug 2012

We tend to mark things by days, it's the way our brains work. So as much as this may be bad science or mathematics, it's very good marketing. And that's what's most crucial right now, at least in most peoples' minds.

tclambert

(11,085 posts)
8. Or you could look at it flip-sidedly: We need a few billion less people. Soylent Green for everyone!
Wed Aug 22, 2012, 03:46 PM
Aug 2012

'Cause you don't want to waste all that protein.

 

AverageJoe90

(10,745 posts)
12. Nice graph, but it does seem a tad biased towards China and India, though......
Thu Aug 23, 2012, 01:42 AM
Aug 2012

Maybe not intentionally, of course, but China's probably far, far, higher than 1.18 on that scale.....I'd give them a 6 or a 7. At least. And anywhere from to 2 to 4 for India.

 

Nihil

(13,508 posts)
13. It's per capita, not per country.
Thu Aug 23, 2012, 04:53 AM
Aug 2012

As a country, yes, both China and India are huge contributors but as the
average individuals in each of those countries, not so much.

CRH

(1,553 posts)
20. I'm not sure I like their data set, ...
Fri Aug 24, 2012, 08:37 AM
Aug 2012

if this is to assume the sustainable carrying capacity of the planet is 4.7 billion humans.

With consideration for energy, human activity, wealth creation, water, agriculture, shelter, co- existence with other species, just to name a few topics; the 156% seems a bit low.

What does it matter, too many is too many.

 

GliderGuider

(21,088 posts)
21. This number makes the idea of overshoot more palatable to more people.
Fri Aug 24, 2012, 09:16 AM
Aug 2012

I suspect the "real" number is under a billion, meaning that we're already 600% over. We'll know eventually - no unsustainable situation can be sustained, after all.

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