Tue Jul 3, 2012, 09:00 PM
Eugene (15,682 posts)
Indigenous whaling bids granted after 'racism' claim
Source: BBC
3 July 2012 Last updated at 18:26 GMT Indigenous whaling bids granted after 'racism' claim Whaling quotas for indigenous groups in Alaska, Russia and the Caribbean were renewed at the International Whaling Commission (IWC) annual meeting. The vote came despite questions over whether the bid from St Vincent and the Grenadines qualified under IWC rules. -snip- But others said that the bid should not qualify under ASW rules because the Bequians, the group that maintains the hunt, are not truly indigenous. Whaling "started by a settler's family as recently as a 1875 does not qualify as 'aboriginal'," argued Monaco's Frederic Briand. -snip- Read more: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-18693753
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| Eugene | Jul 2012 | OP | |
| Nihil | Jul 2012 | #1 | |
| ProgressiveProfessor | Jul 2012 | #2 | |
| Nihil | Jul 2012 | #3 | |
| ProgressiveProfessor | Jul 2012 | #4 | |
| Nihil | Jul 2012 | #5 |
Response to Eugene (Original post)
Wed Jul 4, 2012, 05:41 AM
Nihil (11,279 posts)
1. Monaco forgot the golden rule ...
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> Whaling "started by a settler's family as recently as a 1875 does not
> qualify as 'aboriginal'," argued Monaco's Frederic Briand. He who has the gold bribes the people who make the rules ... Count that as another win for Japan, Norway & Iceland. (FWIW, I'm actually happy with "indigenous whaling" if they can only use their traditional indigenous methods - none of this modern crap like harpoon guns, diesel engines, RIBs, GPS, sonar, sat-phones or neoprene clothing. I bet the "traditions" would die out pretty quickly too.) |
Response to Nihil (Reply #1)
Wed Jul 4, 2012, 02:08 PM
ProgressiveProfessor (22,144 posts)
2. One of the issues is "time to die"
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Some of those modern improvements make it a quick kill and not a lingering death.
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Response to ProgressiveProfessor (Reply #2)
Thu Jul 5, 2012, 05:59 AM
Nihil (11,279 posts)
3. A bigger one is "not time to die".
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All of those "modern improvements" maximise the kill rate and minimise the
risk to the "indigenous hunter" (pah!). The difference isn't between a "quick kill" and "a lingering death" but between a "kill" and a "survival" - there were countless whales that survived the puny attempts to kill them and simply carried on their lives with an artificial barnacle attached to their hide. The time that the "lingering death" appeared was when the whalers introduced their "improvements" to harpoons in the first place instead of having the "traditional" hand-thrown pointed stick. |
Response to Nihil (Reply #3)
Thu Jul 5, 2012, 09:10 AM
ProgressiveProfessor (22,144 posts)
4. Time to Die was indeed an issue at the IWC Meeting
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That you would endorse a return to Nantucket style whaling is surprising.
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Response to ProgressiveProfessor (Reply #4)
Fri Jul 6, 2012, 04:46 AM
Nihil (11,279 posts)
5. You misunderstand me
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> That you would endorse a return to Nantucket style whaling is surprising.
Nantucket-style whaling is no more "indigenous" or "traditional" than that of the Icelandic, Nordic or Japanese fleet, just a slightly less efficient version of the industrialised slaughter that should be banned outright. The *only* exception that I would allow would be to keep the culture of old tribes alive whereby they hunt in the traditional rowboat + pointy stick method and use every last bit of the kill in their village. That scale of whaling may still be immoral to eyes of different cultures but it isn't going to have any significant effect on the species. (Note that this excludes the crap that the IWC just gave into with regard to "traditions" that were established by 1890's settlers and the like. That was just another piece of bullshit bought as a fig-leaf by the subsidised factory ship corporations.) |

