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Modern School

(794 posts)
Fri Mar 9, 2012, 08:51 PM Mar 2012

Ohio To Retest Teachers for Low Student Performance

The Beatings Will Continue Until Test Scores Improve
In yet another idiotic attempt to force teachers to make poor kids excel on their exams, Ohio will start requiring teachers of core subjects at the lowest scoring 10% of schools to retake their licensing exams, according to Cincinnati.com. The move seems to be purely punitive, as the licensing exams provide almost useful no data on how well a teacher will perform on the job.

Scores on standardized tests are most strongly influenced by students’ socioeconomic backgrounds, with teachers accounting for as little as 7.5-30% of student achievement. (See here, here and here) Indeed, virtually every one of the schools in questions is located in a low income community.

Yet even if we ignore the socioeconomic factors influencing student achievement, as most politicians, pundits and administrators have done, and focus only on what the teachers contribute, forcing them to retake their licensing tests is still a waste of time and money. If a teacher truly isn’t any good at their job, it is most likely due to weaknesses in classroom management and discipline, developing positive relationships with students, designing good curriculum, or the ability to modify teaching to meet unique student needs, rather than a deficiency in content knowledge.

The teachers’ union has estimated that the testing will cost the state $2.1 million a year, money that would be much more effectively spent on professional development and peer mentoring.

Gov. John Kasich argues that retesting teachers will hold them more accountable and give districts and charter schools the ability to get rid of the ineffective ones. Yet if only teachers at the bottom 10% of schools are tested, then ineffective teachers at the other 90% of schools will remain. More importantly, most low performing schools are also low income, which means that teachers who happen to be at these schools will be much more likely to lose their jobs or face punitive and burdensome testing than their colleagues fortunate enough to work at more affluent schools.

Modern School
http://modeducation.blogspot.com/2012/03/ohio-to-retest-teachers-for-low-student.html

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Ohio To Retest Teachers for Low Student Performance (Original Post) Modern School Mar 2012 OP
I used to blame the parents Confusious Mar 2012 #1
those 10% are the most important for public education mopinko Mar 2012 #2
Rahm is being pilloried for the dishonest and underhanded things he's doing proud2BlibKansan Mar 2012 #5
i was referring to a specific comment, reported by karen lewis, mopinko Mar 2012 #7
You're right, doing nothing is not an option. MORE resources must be poured into poor schools, not mbperrin Mar 2012 #6
i completely agree with you. mopinko Mar 2012 #8
This is such crap. Lifelong Protester Mar 2012 #3
I'm going to quote John Kuhn: proud2BlibKansan Mar 2012 #4
Yes, its the Poverty (and the class inequity) Modern School Mar 2012 #9
I can pass any damn test they roody Mar 2012 #10

Confusious

(8,317 posts)
1. I used to blame the parents
Fri Mar 9, 2012, 09:25 PM
Mar 2012

Then I realized it's not totally about the parents.

It's more about the politicians deflecting attention from their failures.

If there were jobs that gave a decent living, there would be fewer problems. The politicians have failed, and they have to find someone to blame, or else they'll get blamed.

mopinko

(70,074 posts)
2. those 10% are the most important for public education
Fri Mar 9, 2012, 09:26 PM
Mar 2012

to reach, imho.
this is probably a stupid way to approach a serious situation. but you can't just say that test scores follow demographics and then do nothing. that is what rahm emanuel is being pilloried for.

proud2BlibKansan

(96,793 posts)
5. Rahm is being pilloried for the dishonest and underhanded things he's doing
Sat Mar 10, 2012, 10:58 AM
Mar 2012

like hiring people to attend school closing meetings to speak out in favor of school closings.

mopinko

(70,074 posts)
7. i was referring to a specific comment, reported by karen lewis,
Sat Mar 10, 2012, 09:28 PM
Mar 2012

with no context, that 20-something (sorry, don't recall the exact number cited.) % of the kids in the system were never going to improve.
she found it outrageous and has repeated it several times, including on the ed show. she and ed trounced rahm. i thought the lack of civility was a shame. it will cost chicago's teachers to have her as their face, imho.

and just fyi, i think that story is pretty overblown. it wasn't rahm. it was a pastor who wanted to give some of the homeless guys that are in his charge something to do. he wanted a reason to give them dinner money. i have seen it many times. it's not like someone paid hundreds of dollars for people in suits. i have no reason to believe that anyone had a nefarious purpose.

mbperrin

(7,672 posts)
6. You're right, doing nothing is not an option. MORE resources must be poured into poor schools, not
Sat Mar 10, 2012, 12:00 PM
Mar 2012

fewer.

Let me give you an example:
In our district, "regular" students will be following a robotized curriculum called CSCOPE where every teacher of a subject will be on the same page, the same paragraph, the same word, ideally, at the same time each day. No textbooks will be issued, no deviation, no reteaching, no variation at all will be permitted.

AP and IB students will be getting new textbooks, and they will receive wireless notebooks that anyone can check out now, but not next year.

SPED students will still be getting textbooks, and all their modifications as well.

The school is 85% eligible for free/reduced lunch, and the census shows that 50% of the total population in this county does not have so much as a high school diploma.

No raises for two years, a 10% RIF, and a $15,000 raise for the superintendent and chief of staff are other ways they're "improving" the district.

No textbooks, no flexibility, no additional resources for the huge majority of poor students will result in a massive failure rate. Teachers' fault? Don't think so.

Resources are being removed from poor kids, not added. Insane, really. The kids, teachers, and the community all lose.

mopinko

(70,074 posts)
8. i completely agree with you.
Sat Mar 10, 2012, 09:33 PM
Mar 2012

my son did a year of americorp at a charter in chicago run by university of chicago. it was a neighborhood school, no tests no lotteries, but a very poor neighborhood.
the program taught high school drop outs to tutor kids and run after school programs. the kids blossomed. their test scores jumped 2 years.
we are stupid if we know this is what it takes and we cheap out on it.

Lifelong Protester

(8,421 posts)
3. This is such crap.
Fri Mar 9, 2012, 09:56 PM
Mar 2012

There, it's Friday and I said it.

I'm sick to death of this distraction from the issues, the REAL issues (social issues, inequitable resources, poverty) that contribute to problems in school.

Cripes, no wonder the Met Life poll says teacher morale is at a 20 year low...

proud2BlibKansan

(96,793 posts)
4. I'm going to quote John Kuhn:
Sat Mar 10, 2012, 10:51 AM
Mar 2012

"It's POVERTY, stupid!

If they would take half the energy they've focused on the war on teachers and start a war on poverty we might be able to actually HELP our children.

Or we could just continue the war on teachers.

Modern School

(794 posts)
9. Yes, its the Poverty (and the class inequity)
Sun Mar 11, 2012, 11:51 PM
Mar 2012

Social Revolution!

We shouldn't budge an inch on our working conditions, not without a big budge from the ruling class, which of course is not going to happen if we keep rolling over and accepting every take back, cut and demand that we do more with less.

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