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Sat Nov 24, 2012, 10:45 AM

A smart t-shirt

While I generally reject bumper sticker thinking, this is longer, and summarizes the reality very well.

I was dragged as a kid to hear economists and market / investment analysts (stock market) for years. Nothing that I am hearing from the right makes sense as demonstrable, proven effective economics. It seems to be theory that the economic illiterate take as gospel when it is preached to them by the right wing propaganda machine. They don't fact check it, they don't question it, they proceed with the logic that no one can create a job or start a business unless they are already rich, as if that conveys some sort of magical powers.

The reality is that people who have ideas start up businesses all the time, and that large or small, business expansion tends to occur using borrowed money rather than being fully financed by the start up individual. What is absolutely necessary for any success is a market, customers, buyers, clientele. Those are what you get with people who are paid adequately. Supply side economics do not work. Demand side economics does.



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Reply A smart t-shirt (Original post)
Dog Gone at Penigma Nov 2012 OP
Catch2.2 Nov 2012 #1
silhouete2 Nov 2012 #2
brewens Nov 2012 #5
silhouete2 Nov 2012 #6
brewens Nov 2012 #7
Dog Gone at Penigma Nov 2012 #9
brewens Nov 2012 #10
Dog Gone at Penigma Nov 2012 #11
ProudProgressiveNow Nov 2012 #3
bloomington-lib Nov 2012 #4
RoccoR5955 Nov 2012 #8

Response to Dog Gone at Penigma (Original post)

Sat Nov 24, 2012, 12:48 PM

1. Awesome!!

I want one!

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Response to Dog Gone at Penigma (Original post)

Sat Nov 24, 2012, 12:55 PM

2. What always makes me do a Scooby Doo

is how the GOP wants to constantly fleece the middle class. The middle class are the job creators--becuase we are a consumer economy--and the biggest consumer group is the middle class. So when the GOP or GOP supporters go on and on about how we have to cut taxes for the rich, but cut social program $ becuase we can't afford it in order to "grow our economy"-I must point out the stupidity in the logic. You put more burden on the middle class--by taking away a lot of money in taxes and/or forcing them to use more of their take home pay for necessities (particularly healthcare and retirement) then they DON'T spend. The lag in our economic recovery is NOT becuase the business owners aren't confident in where we are going as a country so they won't hire--they don't have the demand to justify the hiring. And it just spirals from there. I truly LOVE this shirt--becuase it shows why unions are important to the middle class--and to our economy.

Thanks!

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Response to silhouete2 (Reply #2)

Sat Nov 24, 2012, 02:38 PM

5. Of course we all know union Republicans. That's what kills me. Those people must feel that they

have their union job and benefits and screw everyone else! They think their job is secure, so keeping their tax cuts and driving everyone else's wages down gains them wealth. In the short run maybe, but what happens when people can no longer afford what their union plant produces? Then it's their turn to be cut back and they helped make it happen.

I know several union Republicans. Whether it's racism, taxes, the fear that Obama's gunna git their guns, or whatever, they vote anti-union. That is some consolation when you hear about something like what is going on at Hostess. At least you know some of them deserve every dimes worth of ass fucking they get!

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Response to brewens (Reply #5)

Sat Nov 24, 2012, 06:11 PM

6. I hear you

I have a GOP friend at work--we are both in the union. She goes on and on about how bad Dems and Obama is--yadda, yadda, yadda. We've had many conversations. Then she'll get all upset when someone is dissing unions--the whole Prop 32 thing in CA for instance. I gently remind her that HER political party would be happy to not have unions and pay us crap wages. I can see her mind working--because she can't come to terms with that dichotomy. She'll just poo-poo it away. Maybe someday she'll get that HER political party isn't' in business to help out average Americans--but to screw them over. But, I won't hold my breath.

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Response to silhouete2 (Reply #6)

Sat Nov 24, 2012, 06:27 PM

7. She's for her union because it puts money in her pocket now. Faced with some kind of

lockout where the company was demanding concessions, if she had the choice of selling out new hires, she would. I can guaruntee you that. Back in the late 80's I was warehouse foreman at a Budweiser distributor. The local Pepsi guys were having a union battle. Then they ended up shutting down their bottling operation and letting all those guys go.

My bosses ended up hiring one of their guys who I was told was one of the ones going along with the bosses to get rid of the union. Twenty years older than me and he came to the wrong place! He was my bitch! I seriously treated him like a dog and did everything I could to run him off! If he didn't like making good money and being treated fairly I was more than happy to oblige him. He ended up qutting and gowing to work for a local munitions plant and he didn't last lon there either.

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Response to brewens (Reply #7)

Sun Nov 25, 2012, 10:42 AM

9. What 'she' are you talking about? I can't tell gender from this photo, and neither can you.

There is no basis for assuming that because one person did something, others would. Do unions prevent people from having bad opinions? Is it consistent with a union to treat someone like a dog? Is that your idea of 'being treated fairly'? Do you think most unions favor selling out new hires? I think merit should matter, along with seniority. Be careful of what you claim you can guarantee.

This guy deserved being hassled if he didn't pull his own weight (and it sound as if he didn't), but you went too far, in my opinion, against someone based on hearsay and rumor, which could have been a grudge for some other reason.

Generally, no matter who does it, I'm against people being treated badly, and more in favor of reasoned disagreement with them.

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Response to Dog Gone at Penigma (Reply #9)

Sun Nov 25, 2012, 10:54 AM

10. She would of course be the GOP co-worker from the post I was replying to had you bothered to read it

I'm in a fairly small area, know and went to school with many of the Pepsi guys and also knew the guy I had working under me from elsewhere, mainly one of the bars we delivered to. He wasn't only selling out at Pepsi, he was a drunken ass. Believe me, I wouldn't have gotten away with much had not most of the other guys hated him as well. He just managed to sucker one of the bosses into giving him a chance.

He complained about me, but by that time, even our assitant manager that went along with hiring him blew it off.

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Response to brewens (Reply #10)

Sun Nov 25, 2012, 02:24 PM

11. thanks for the explanation

I think letting someone fail on their own merits is still better than treating people badly. You may very well have been justified and more in this case, but where people are allowed to do things like this, they can also too often treat good people badly on someone's whim, which was my point.

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Response to Dog Gone at Penigma (Original post)

Sun Nov 25, 2012, 07:46 AM

8. I want one of these shirts

Anyone know where I can get one?

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