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Tansy_Gold

(17,816 posts)
Wed May 16, 2012, 10:19 PM May 2012

STOCK MARKET WATCH -- Thursday, 17 May 2012


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2/2/12 David Higgs and Salmaan Siddiqui, Credit Suisse, plead guilty to conspiracy involving valuation of MBS
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STOCK MARKET WATCH -- Thursday, 17 May 2012 (Original Post) Tansy_Gold May 2012 OP
Runner-up toon Tansy_Gold May 2012 #1
2nd runner up, h/t Barry Ritholtz: girl gone mad May 2012 #2
Japanese GDP grows 1% in first quarter Demeter May 2012 #3
Spain tries to pin down real estate losses Demeter May 2012 #4
Off to the greatest with ye. n/t kickysnana May 2012 #5
MON DIEU! some one dropped their Matin on me! xchrom May 2012 #6
Wal-Mart Reluctance to Reveal Bribery Is Common Business Posture xchrom May 2012 #7
Really bad case of split hairs there Demeter May 2012 #8
U.S. Senate Sends Export-Import Bank Measure to Obama (Update 2) xchrom May 2012 #9
Europe’s growth gulf Demeter May 2012 #10
Chinese Seal From Forbidden City Fetches $5.4 Million xchrom May 2012 #11
Bankia customers pull out over 1 billion euros -report xchrom May 2012 #12
The aroma of burning banks in the morning. Po_d Mainiac May 2012 #22
Bair can get any amount she needs from Timmy FarCenter May 2012 #25
Not without CONgress raising the debt ceiling Po_d Mainiac May 2012 #32
Maybe this is why we're going through "Debt Ceiling Charade-The Movie" again. Fuddnik May 2012 #40
Add an armed calvary division for good measure Po_d Mainiac May 2012 #44
IIRC, FDIC has a $500B LOC with Treasury FarCenter May 2012 #46
And that wouldn't be enough to cover guaranteed accounts Po_d Mainiac May 2012 #47
They could cover JPM FarCenter May 2012 #49
nope... Po_d Mainiac May 2012 #75
Unless the Treasury Runs Out of Paper or Ink, They're Covered Demeter May 2012 #31
If tat were true, Po_d Mainiac May 2012 #43
The Debt Ceiling is Kabuki Theater Demeter May 2012 #51
Global trade well below pre-crisis trend - survey xchrom May 2012 #13
Greece Can No Longer Delay Euro Zone Exit xchrom May 2012 #14
I think (and hope to God) Demeter May 2012 #33
i don't know -- things are moving so fast there - i can't tell who supports who. nt xchrom May 2012 #35
It's enough to make you want to run out and get a gyro for lunch! Fuddnik May 2012 #41
ooooh! -- now i want a gyro -- and you can't get a good one here. xchrom May 2012 #42
I know how to make one Demeter May 2012 #52
i'm jealous. xchrom May 2012 #53
It's more assembled than cooked Demeter May 2012 #71
Huh. Good idea - I'll have to check up on that. Nt xchrom May 2012 #72
Why the French Economy Works Surprisingly Well xchrom May 2012 #15
Doesn't seem surprising at all to me. Tansy_Gold May 2012 #16
And that's why the Sharks want to take down France Demeter May 2012 #34
And Now JP Morgan's $2 Billion Trading Loss Is Already $3 Billion (And Counting) xchrom May 2012 #17
And the rating agency down grades will trigger some margin calls Po_d Mainiac May 2012 #23
Initial Jobless Miss Expectations At 370K xchrom May 2012 #18
Today's Economic Reports (Unemployment Claims) >>>> Roland99 May 2012 #19
Today's Economic Reports (Philly Fed Index - BIG miss) >>>> Roland99 May 2012 #28
W T F?? Philly Fed misses BIG and now markets have recovered from the steep drop. Roland99 May 2012 #37
Weekly unchanged from the upwardly revised figures Po_d Mainiac May 2012 #29
US Futures down slightly. Europe off daily lows. Oil inching up. EURUSD below $1.27 Roland99 May 2012 #20
SocGen: If Greece Leaves The Euro, Get Ready For A Whoosh Out Of Spanish And Italian Banks xchrom May 2012 #21
As I said weeks ago, before it made the news...... AnneD May 2012 #50
If boosting millionaires helped create jobs, then you wouldn't expect to see a contradiction here xchrom May 2012 #24
Job Creators, Eh? Not according to this banned TED talk. TalkingDog May 2012 #38
ya know -- i went to TED and did every kind of search i could think of to see xchrom May 2012 #39
Is it worth my time to look up what "TED" is? bread_and_roses May 2012 #63
for miss demeter{and anybody else who loves the great ones} xchrom May 2012 #26
Thank you, X! Demeter May 2012 #36
Rupee slide puts India in quandary xchrom May 2012 #27
Spain beset by bank crisis, recession, bond pressure Eugene May 2012 #30
Moody's downgrades Spanish banks Eugene May 2012 #74
Now that I've joined Geezerhood, I'll spend my time like this! Fuddnik May 2012 #45
Too funny! DemReadingDU May 2012 #48
He should try another zipcode, at least Demeter May 2012 #54
Italy's banks shaken as economic slump deepens By Ambrose Evans-Pritchard Demeter May 2012 #55
Afternoon Marketeers.... AnneD May 2012 #56
Congratulations to your daughter! DemReadingDU May 2012 #61
Very Cool. Ghost Dog May 2012 #69
Safe Trip and Great Joy Demeter May 2012 #70
Tell her congratulations, and for you as well. n/t jtuck004 May 2012 #76
A 12-Year-Old Girl Crushes The Canadian (and American) Dream Demeter May 2012 #57
Made that its own thread yesterday... Roland99 May 2012 #58
U.S. 10-yr yields hit record-low close of 1.71% Roland99 May 2012 #59
Markets nearing the day's lows again. Roland99 May 2012 #60
new lows Roland99 May 2012 #62
EURUSD below $1.27. US 10yr yield at 1.702% Roland99 May 2012 #64
End of Day Woah..... TalkingDog May 2012 #66
At the close - Saved by the bell Roland99 May 2012 #65
The Fairies Must Have Gone Out on Strike Demeter May 2012 #73
Greece downgraded deeper into junk Eugene May 2012 #67
I. Love. That. TOON. tclambert May 2012 #68

Tansy_Gold

(17,816 posts)
1. Runner-up toon
Wed May 16, 2012, 10:21 PM
May 2012



(Sorry I'm late. Laptop reinfected with nasty "trojan," McAfee won't disinfect and are being general assholes, not to mention THEY CLOSE AT 6:00 P.M.)
 

Demeter

(85,373 posts)
3. Japanese GDP grows 1% in first quarter
Wed May 16, 2012, 10:55 PM
May 2012

Japan’s economy rebounded in the first quarter, but analysts warned that the pace of expansion will soon ease as temporary boosts to consumption and investment fade.

Thursday’s data from the Cabinet Office showed that the world’s third-largest economy grew 1 per cent between January and March, slightly higher than forecast, compared to revised 0.1 per cent growth in the final three months of 2011.

While an annualised growth rate of 4.1 per cent is striking – more than three times better than forecast 2012 real average growth in the G10 economies – Japan is unlikely to keep it
up, say analysts.

Read more >>
http://link.ft.com/r/DHGUVV/L9AMIE/4VXHZ/5VY3IN/ZGJVLK/B7/t?a1=2012&a2=5&a3=16


SO WHY IS THE NIKKEI DOWN IN THE DUMPS YET AGAIN?
 

Demeter

(85,373 posts)
4. Spain tries to pin down real estate losses
Wed May 16, 2012, 10:56 PM
May 2012

Spain’s government will on Thursday announce the appointment of Blackrock and Oliver Wyman as independent valuers of the real estate loans that lie at the heart of the country’s banking crisis

Read more >>
http://link.ft.com/r/3JFELL/ORMW76/JQU4J/U12DAW/KQZNA4/1G/t?a1=2012&a2=5&a3=16

xchrom

(108,903 posts)
7. Wal-Mart Reluctance to Reveal Bribery Is Common Business Posture
Thu May 17, 2012, 07:01 AM
May 2012
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-05-17/wal-mart-reluctance-to-reveal-bribery-is-common-business-posture.html

When Tyson Foods Inc. (TSN) and Wal-Mart Stores Inc. (WMT) received internal reports that employees may have paid bribes in Mexico, each faced the same vexing question: should they turn themselves in to U.S. authorities?

Tyson, the biggest U.S. food processor, admitted bribing government-employed inspectors and paid $5.2 million to avoid prosecution. Wal-Mart, the world’s largest retailer, began an internal probe in 2005, shut it down and didn’t disclose the matter to regulators and prosecutors until late last year, after learning the New York Times was investigating, the paper said.

The U.S. offers leniency to companies like Tyson that self- report. Yet many choose to remain quiet, calculating that they will cooperate with the government if it uncovers their bribery. Companies root out their wrongdoing and improve their compliance programs, assuming that any credit the government gives them for self-reporting is not worth the fines and penalties and negative publicity that follow disclosure.

“I’ve represented many, many companies that have elected reasonably not to disclose, and management at those companies was highly ethical,” said Joel Cohen, a former federal prosecutor now at Gibson, Dunn & Crutcher LLP’s New York office. “Disclosure is not some magic bullet. The magic bullet is having a good system to mitigate corruption.”

xchrom

(108,903 posts)
9. U.S. Senate Sends Export-Import Bank Measure to Obama (Update 2)
Thu May 17, 2012, 07:06 AM
May 2012
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-05-15/u-s-senate-sends-export-import-bank-measure-to-obama.html

The U.S. Senate voted to reauthorize the Export-Import Bank for three years and increase its lending authority 40 percent by 2014, clearing the measure for President Barack Obama’s signature.

The 78-20 vote yesterday follows passage of the measure by the House last week. The bill, H.R. 2072, would raise the bank’s lending limit to $140 billion. The Export-Import Bank may reach its current limit of $100 billion by May 31 without the reauthorization.


“This bank helps American companies sell their products overseas and hire workers here at home,” Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, a Nevada Democrat, said on the Senate floor. “Reauthorizing this important legislation is the kind of consensus proposal that shouldn’t result in any kind of a partisan fight.”

The 78-year-old bank provides loan guarantees, insurance and loans to help buyers purchase U.S. exports. Last year it approved a record $32.7 billion in financing, with more than $6 billion supporting small-business exports, according to a bank fact sheet. About $11 billion of the financing benefited large commercial sales of Boeing Co (BA).-manufactured aircraft, it said.
 

Demeter

(85,373 posts)
10. Europe’s growth gulf
Thu May 17, 2012, 07:09 AM
May 2012
http://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2012/05/europes-growth-gulf/

European Q1 GDP data came out overnight. Germany was better than expected with a rise of 0.5% in the quarter and to 1.2% over the previous 12 months. France stagnated and the periphery continued to contract.

The German data was obviously a highlight, but as I spent much of last year explaining, good German data is a double edged sword. Although it is good for Germany, it is a big negative for the rest of Europe because one of the major issues that brought on the crisis in the first place was the competitiveness imbalance of nations under the single currency. As you can see from the chart below, countries that that are the major source of European risk continue to suffer economic contraction which, given the renewed strength of Germany, makes this imbalance worse:







xchrom

(108,903 posts)
11. Chinese Seal From Forbidden City Fetches $5.4 Million
Thu May 17, 2012, 07:15 AM
May 2012
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-05-17/chinese-seal-from-forbidden-city-fetches-5-4-million.html



An 18th-century Chinese green jade seal associated with the Qianlong Emperor sold at an auction in London for 3.4 million pounds ($5.4 million). It had been housed in the Hall of the Three Rarities (San Xi Tang) at the Forbidden City, Beijing, according to the auction catalog.

An 18th-century Chinese green jade seal associated with the Qianlong Emperor sold today at an auction in London for 3.4 million pounds ($5.4 million).

Of double-gourd form carved with three dragons, the seal had been housed in the Hall of the Three Rarities (San Xi Tang) at the Forbidden City, Beijing, auction house Bonhams said. It had been offered by a private European collector with an estimate of 1 million pounds to 1.5 million pounds. The buyer, making telephone bids, was underbid in the room by Taiwan-based dealer Arts of Chen.

*** SNIP{you never hear this in the news - just how high the prices are}

Chinese Imperial objects with European provenances have been contested to record levels by Asian bidders in recent years. Slow and non-payment has been an issue at some auctions.

xchrom

(108,903 posts)
12. Bankia customers pull out over 1 billion euros -report
Thu May 17, 2012, 07:25 AM
May 2012
http://uk.reuters.com/article/2012/05/17/uk-bankia-idUKBRE84G09220120517

(Reuters) - Customers at nationalised Spanish bank Bankia SA (BKIA.MC) have taken out more than 1 billion euros (819.2 million pounds) over the past week in a sign of fast-fading confidence in the lender, a newspaper reported on Thursday.

Newly appointed Chairman Jose Ignacio Goirigolzarri informed a board meeting on Wednesday about the exit of funds from the bank, El Mundo said, citing information from the board meeting it had seen.

Bankia, the Bank of Spain and the economy ministry declined to comment on the report.

The government on May 9 took over Bankia, the country's fourth-largest lender, in an attempt to dispel concerns over the bank's ability to deal with losses related to the 2008 property crash.

Uncertainty over the final cost of Spain's banking reforms has stoked investor fears that an expensive international bail-out could be on the cards, adding to concerns about the survival of the euro zone.

Po_d Mainiac

(4,183 posts)
22. The aroma of burning banks in the morning.
Thu May 17, 2012, 08:57 AM
May 2012

Coming to America, when sheeple on this side of the Atlantic realize there ain't enough money in the Bair account to clear deposits in the too fucking bigs?

But The Morgue was the only bank doubling down on bad bets with OPM...Right?

Fuddnik

(8,846 posts)
40. Maybe this is why we're going through "Debt Ceiling Charade-The Movie" again.
Thu May 17, 2012, 10:37 AM
May 2012

What could be a more entertaining diversion than Weepy, Dopey, and their Democratic counterparts?

 

FarCenter

(19,429 posts)
46. IIRC, FDIC has a $500B LOC with Treasury
Thu May 17, 2012, 12:08 PM
May 2012

FDIC's web site says that it is backed by the full faith and credit of the US.

There is undoubtedly an Executive Order that could be used in a "national emergency".

Bear in mind that FDIC would not keep a TBTF bank from failing -- just pay the $250K guaranteed accounts.

Po_d Mainiac

(4,183 posts)
47. And that wouldn't be enough to cover guaranteed accounts
Thu May 17, 2012, 12:25 PM
May 2012

In just one of the fat boys.

Last ones to the window get an IOU......But the "bank holiday (week/s)" would be called well before you had the chance to even get that.

 

FarCenter

(19,429 posts)
49. They could cover JPM
Thu May 17, 2012, 12:59 PM
May 2012

US deposits were $738 B as of end of '11, but $435 B were savings and time deposits. Given that lots of deposits are >$250K, the FDIC could easily cover those it is responsible for in the "near future". The savings and time deposits have account restrictions on how fast you can withdraw funds.

The FDIC would not make funds available immediately in any case. They currently do so by merging small unsound banks into larger sound banks. That would not be the case in a major failure. And yes, the regulators would invoke fine print to pace withdrawals, cash advances on credit cards, etc.

Po_d Mainiac

(4,183 posts)
75. nope...
Thu May 17, 2012, 09:44 PM
May 2012
1. How long will the full deposit insurance coverage for noninterest-bearing transaction accounts last?

The Dodd-Frank Deposit Insurance Provision is effective from December 31, 2010 through December 31, 2012.

http://www.fdic.gov/deposit/deposits/unlimited/implementation.html

This means that checking accounts (like payroll) also fall under the coverage umbrella.
 

Demeter

(85,373 posts)
31. Unless the Treasury Runs Out of Paper or Ink, They're Covered
Thu May 17, 2012, 10:06 AM
May 2012

or electrons....electrons are the ultimate in fungible.

xchrom

(108,903 posts)
13. Global trade well below pre-crisis trend - survey
Thu May 17, 2012, 07:28 AM
May 2012
http://uk.reuters.com/article/2012/05/17/uk-economy-global-trade-idUKBRE84G0IX20120517

Reuters) - Global trade growth will slow this year and volumes are unlikely to regain their pre-crisis trend for at least another four years, according to a survey released on Thursday.

The International Chamber of Commerce said it expected trade, the life blood of the global economy, to expand by 5.2 percent this year and by 7.2 percent in 2013.

Growth for all of 2011 was 6.6 percent, driven by emerging markets, but slowed down towards the end of the year. Euro zone export volumes fell 5.9 percent in 2011.

After the collapse of Lehman Brothers in September 2008, global trade suffered the steepest slump since the Great Depression of the 1930s as banks pulled in their horns. These financial problems have diminished but have not disappeared, the ICC warned.

xchrom

(108,903 posts)
14. Greece Can No Longer Delay Euro Zone Exit
Thu May 17, 2012, 08:01 AM
May 2012
http://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/why-greece-needs-to-leave-the-euro-zone-a-832968.html

here are many things Alexis Tsipras likes about Germany. The leader of Greece's Coalition of the Radical Left (Syriza) party drives his BMW motorcycle to work at the Greek parliament in the morning, Germany's über-leftist Oskar Lafontaine is one of his political allies, and when it comes to his daily work, his colleagues have noticed a certain tendency toward Prussian-style perfection.

Tsipras could easily count as a friend of the Germans, if it weren't for the German chancellor. Greek magazines have frequently caricatured Angela Merkel dressed in a Nazi uniform, because she imposes her fondness for balanced budgets and austerity on the rest of Europe. The Greeks, says Tsipras, want to "put an end" to the Germans' requirements and their "brutal austerity policy."
Tsipras is the new political star in Athens. While the country's washed-up mainstream parties struggled for days to form a new government, the clever young politician has been dominating the headlines with his coalition movement of Trotskyites, anarchists and leftist socialists.

In the recent elections, Tsipras' Syriza party advanced to become the second-largest political force in the country, and Tsipras is making sure his gray-faced opponents from the Greek political establishment know it. Surrounded by cameras and microphones, he stood in the Athens government district last Tuesday, put on his winner's smile and called upon the two traditional parties, the center-left Socialists (PASOK) and the conservative New Democracy, to send a letter "to the EU leadership" and cancel the bailout deal that Athens made with the EU and the International Monetary Fund (IMF).
 

Demeter

(85,373 posts)
33. I think (and hope to God)
Thu May 17, 2012, 10:09 AM
May 2012

That Tsipras has more than Trotskyites, anarchists and leftist socialists on his side. Like maybe some ordinary working people. Family people. Solid citizen types.

xchrom

(108,903 posts)
42. ooooh! -- now i want a gyro -- and you can't get a good one here.
Thu May 17, 2012, 10:50 AM
May 2012

so you have to have another one for me!

 

Demeter

(85,373 posts)
71. It's more assembled than cooked
Thu May 17, 2012, 07:02 PM
May 2012

The meat is available at Gordon's Food Service...perhaps your local restaurant supplier would have it.

xchrom

(108,903 posts)
15. Why the French Economy Works Surprisingly Well
Thu May 17, 2012, 08:03 AM
May 2012
http://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/why-the-french-economy-works-surprisingly-well-a-832732.html

The journalists' visit to the Paris-based headquarters of French automaker Renault kicked off in a very French way: with an almost two-hour lunch. It was naturally not a simple affair in the company cafeteria. The meal at the nearby Cap Sequin restaurant boasted three artery-clogging courses, a bottle of white wine and a wonderful view of the Seine River followed by coffee and chocolates. At about half past two, it was finally time to get back to work, though it was somehow difficult to do so.

For decades, France's economy has violated established laws of economics and not just because of the cholesterol-packed lunches. There's also the fact that France is the world leader in terms of vacation days, has a nationwide 35-hour work week and allows its citizens to retire at 65, two years earlier than in Germany. On top of that, France has strict regulations regarding employee termination and a swollen public sector. Nearly 57 percent of France's economic performance flows through state hands. That figure is about 10 percent higher than in Germany and a record level among industrialized nations.
Now France has elected François Hollande, a Socialist president whose most important pledge was "More of the same!" He has called for public-sector jobs financed with a 75 percent tax on top earners, and more time to enjoy retirement. Indeed, while Germany just boosted its retirement age to 67, its western neighbors might soon be able to leave the working world at 60 with a full pension.

Given these facts, it should come as no surprise that France is struggling with a few economic problems: major budget shortfalls, persistently low economic growth and a high youth-unemployment rate. Even more astounding, however, is just how good the French are doing despite their idiosyncratic economic model. Admittedly, per capita economic performance is 8 percent lower in France than Germany, after adjusting for differences in purchasing power. But considering that the French have been the world champions of savoir vivre for decades, while the Germans have been self-denying work horses, that 8 percent difference doesn't really seem so big.

Tansy_Gold

(17,816 posts)
16. Doesn't seem surprising at all to me.
Thu May 17, 2012, 08:32 AM
May 2012

But then, a lot of things we here in SMW "know" seem to surprise a lot of other people. . . .

 

Demeter

(85,373 posts)
34. And that's why the Sharks want to take down France
Thu May 17, 2012, 10:11 AM
May 2012

They figure there's a lot of fat on the hoof.

xchrom

(108,903 posts)
17. And Now JP Morgan's $2 Billion Trading Loss Is Already $3 Billion (And Counting)
Thu May 17, 2012, 08:36 AM
May 2012
http://www.businessinsider.com/jp-morgan-loss-grows-2012-5

Jamie Dimon said it could get worse... and it is.

The JP Morgan trading loss that was $2 billion four days ago is now $3 billion, report Nelson Schwartz and Jessica Silver-Greenberg in the New York Times.

Why?
Because every hedge fund in the world knows JP Morgan is stuck in a position so big that it can't unwind it... and they're betting against it.

Can JP Morgan fire those risk managers and traders who placed the trade all over again? Nope.

Can it claw back the massive bonuses it paid to those risk managers and traders in prior years? Nope.

The good news is that the taxpayer-subsidized Too-Big-To-Fail JP Morgan was expected to earn $6 billion this quarter. So it has only wiped out half of that profit so far. Another $3 billion to go...


Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/jp-morgan-loss-grows-2012-5#ixzz1v87JhkG4

Po_d Mainiac

(4,183 posts)
23. And the rating agency down grades will trigger some margin calls
Thu May 17, 2012, 09:06 AM
May 2012

$1T in deposits (+/-)

$1T in Assets (+/-) Marked to myth?

$78T in derivative exposeure (hedged no doubt)

xchrom

(108,903 posts)
18. Initial Jobless Miss Expectations At 370K
Thu May 17, 2012, 08:38 AM
May 2012
http://www.businessinsider.com/initial-jobless-claims-may-17-2012-5

ORIGINAL POST: Big data point coming up at 8:30 AM ET: Initial jobless claims.
Analysts are looking for claims of 365K, down 367k last week.
If you recall, last week's number was a big relief, as it was down from the previous couple of weeks, which had been spiking.
We'll have the number here LIVE.
UPDATE: Slight miss. Initial claims come in at 370K, which is the same as last week's upwardly revised 370K.
Markets still in the red.


Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/initial-jobless-claims-may-17-2012-5#ixzz1v87zJxJY

Roland99

(53,342 posts)
19. Today's Economic Reports (Unemployment Claims) >>>>
Thu May 17, 2012, 08:40 AM
May 2012

* Weekly U.S. jobless claims unchanged at 370,000
* Four-week claims average falls 4,750 to 375,000
* Continuing claims rise 18,000 to 3.27 million

Roland99

(53,342 posts)
28. Today's Economic Reports (Philly Fed Index - BIG miss) >>>>
Thu May 17, 2012, 10:04 AM
May 2012

* Leading economic indicators fall 0.1% in April
* Philly Fed business index falls to -5.8 in May
* Philly Fed index was expected to rise to 10.0

Markets dropping further.

[font color="red"]Dow 12,544 -54 -0.43%
Nasdaq 2,854 -20 -0.69%
S&P 500 1,317 -8 -0.58%
GlobalDow 1,779 -10 -0.56%[/font]
Gold 1,551 +14 +0.92%
Oil 93.19 +0.38 +0.41%


Po_d Mainiac

(4,183 posts)
29. Weekly unchanged from the upwardly revised figures
Thu May 17, 2012, 10:04 AM
May 2012

It took the algos a bit longer to finger out the difference

xchrom

(108,903 posts)
21. SocGen: If Greece Leaves The Euro, Get Ready For A Whoosh Out Of Spanish And Italian Banks
Thu May 17, 2012, 08:41 AM
May 2012
http://www.businessinsider.com/socgen-if-greece-leaves-the-eurozone-there-will-be-major-withdrawals-from-spanish-and-italian-banks-2012-5

One of the effects of a Grexit: A major whooshing sound, as cash rushes out of Spanish and Italian banks, as nervous nationals fear a return to pre-euro currencies in their countries.
Says SocGen:
A Greek exit could lead to a 20-30% deposit outflow

We believe that unless a credible deposit insurance scheme is set up or other credible mitigation measures are taken, savers in Spain and Italy (as well as Portugal) will fear a return of their historical currencies. This could prompt them to withdraw their deposits from the local banks and try to turn them into either resilient assets or move them outside the country. This is unlikely to take place in the form of a “bank run” but will more likely materialise as a continuing drain over 12 to 18 months.
...
Absent a major intervention by the ECB, the Italian and Spanish banks will then have to (i) de-lever their balance sheet to offset the reduced deposit availability, (ii) de-lever further to a 110% loan/deposit ratio to mitigate the continued drought in the wholesale funding market and (iii) offer materially higher rates on the remaining available deposits in the market. We assume for the purposes of this analysis that the Italian and Spanish banks will not repay the LTRO early and that the ECB will prolong the LTRO from 3 years to 5 years.
All that being said, it's not unreasonable to think that if Greece were to leave that the ECB would in fact be very proactive, opening up all kinds of new firewalls (including deposit insurance) to make sure that something like this doesn't happen. Since a Grexit will probably be induced by the ECB (via the ECB shutting off Greek banks from funding) it won't be caught unawares (most likely!).


Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/socgen-if-greece-leaves-the-eurozone-there-will-be-major-withdrawals-from-spanish-and-italian-banks-2012-5#ixzz1v88mIyC3

AnneD

(15,774 posts)
50. As I said weeks ago, before it made the news......
Thu May 17, 2012, 01:34 PM
May 2012

the smart Greeks have gotten their Euros out of the bank before they turn in to Drachmas. That $1000 Euros in the bank is about to become 300 drachmas.

Again, the smart Spaniards and Portuguese should be taking their Euros out now and look for a mattress or a bank in Germany. Actually, if I were Portuguese, I would consider moving to Brazil, but that is just me.

The truth about a banking crisis or any monetery crisis; you are in or you are out...and you don't want to be caught with all your money in the bank. Once they close the bank door, it is too late, you have been fleeced. This is based on stories that have been recounted to me from folks in Iran, Argentina, and Viet Nam.

TalkingDog

(9,001 posts)
38. Job Creators, Eh? Not according to this banned TED talk.
Thu May 17, 2012, 10:31 AM
May 2012

There’s one idea, though, that TED’s organizers recently decided was too controversial to spread: the notion that widening income inequality is a bad thing for America, and that as a result, the rich should pay more in taxes.

http://www.nationaljournal.com/features/restoration-calls/too-hot-for-ted-income-inequality-20120516

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Prepare to meet Nick Hanauer. He's a venture capitalist from Seattle who was the first non-family investor in Amazon.com. Today he's a very rich man. And, somewhat jarringly, he's screaming to anyone who will listen that he, and other wealthy innovators like him, doesn't create jobs. The middle class does - and its decline threatens everyone in America, from the innovators on down.

http://roundtable.nationaljournal.com/2012/05/the-inequality-speech-that-ted-wont-show-you.php

xchrom

(108,903 posts)
39. ya know -- i went to TED and did every kind of search i could think of to see
Thu May 17, 2012, 10:37 AM
May 2012

if i could find it there -- and i could not -- including using hanauer's name.

bread_and_roses

(6,335 posts)
63. Is it worth my time to look up what "TED" is?
Thu May 17, 2012, 03:36 PM
May 2012

'cause whatever it is, I missed it ...but don't want to bother if not worth the effort - TY to anyone who knows

 

Demeter

(85,373 posts)
36. Thank you, X!
Thu May 17, 2012, 10:15 AM
May 2012

I am happy--even though it's a trifle chilly--went down to 38F or lower last night, won't get up to 70F today.

It's probably that giddiness that comes from ignoring an overtaking reality, but it will do for now.

Actually, I am happy that events are breaking loose of elitist manipulation--the sooner the games end, the sooner the real reconstruction (and prosecution) can begin.

xchrom

(108,903 posts)
27. Rupee slide puts India in quandary
Thu May 17, 2012, 10:04 AM
May 2012
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/South_Asia/NE18Df01.html

MUMBAI - The Indian rupee dived to an historic low of 54.51 to the US dollar on May 16, to continue its unexpected plight as one of Asia's most ailing currencies in recent times - and continuing a double-edged existence as both a symptom of economic troubles and a doctor in disguise.

Numerous factors, from widening fiscal and trade deficits, inflation, investors rejecting governmental policies, as well as the euro debt crisis in Greece are being attributed to the increasing demand for the dollar at the expense of the rupee.

While Finance Minister Pranab Mukherjee assured parliament on May 16 that the "complex" situation in Europe had affected Asian markets and the Indian rupee, his somewhat strange policies have



also contributed to more funds leaving India than entering it.

The controversial general anti-avoidance rule (GAAR), for instance, shocked multinationals in India with its aim to retrospectively tax companies on earlier investments. Britain's Vodafone was asked for taxes for its purchase of the Hong Kong-based Hutchison's cell phone business in India in 2007.

Mukherjee has suspended GAAR for a year, but the backtracking has done little to boost investor confidence in the government. The currency of one of the world's fastest growing economies is expected to sink to 56 to the dollar later this year.

Eugene

(61,593 posts)
30. Spain beset by bank crisis, recession, bond pressure
Thu May 17, 2012, 10:05 AM
May 2012

Source: Reuters

Spain beset by bank crisis, recession, bond pressure

By Sonya Dowsett and Paul Day

MADRID | Thu May 17, 2012 9:43am EDT

(Reuters) - Spain's borrowing costs shot up at a bond auction on Thursday, after economic data confirmed the country is back in recession and reports of an outflow of deposits from nationalized Bankia hammered its share price.

The Spanish Treasury had to pay around 5 percent to attract buyers of three- and four-year bonds. The longer-dated paper sold with a yield of 5.106 percent, way above the 3.374 percent the last time it was auctioned.

"This ... fits the pattern of recent sales, with the Spanish treasury successfully getting its supply away but at ever-higher yields," said Richard McGuire, rate strategist at Rabobank in London.

"This unfavorable trend looks set to remain firmly in place ... Ultimately, this ratcheting up of yields will likely require some form of outside intervention," McGuire said.

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Read more: http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/05/17/us-spain-economy-idUSBRE84G0CK20120517

Eugene

(61,593 posts)
74. Moody's downgrades Spanish banks
Thu May 17, 2012, 07:29 PM
May 2012

Source: CNNMoney

Moody's downgrades Spanish banks

By Annalyn Censky and James O'Toole @CNNMoneyInvest May 17, 2012: 5:47 PM ET

NEW YORK (CNNMoney) -- Rating agency Moody's downgraded 16 Spanish banks on Thursday, the latest sign of distress in Europe.

Among those downgraded were giants Banco Santander and BBVA, the country's two largest banks. Moody's cited concerns about the banks' exposure to Spain's faltering economy and the "reduced" ability of the Spanish government to support them in a crisis.

"The Spanish economy has fallen back into recession in first-quarter 2012, and Moody's does not expect conditions to improve during 2012," the agency said.

"Moreover, the real-estate crisis that began in 2008 is ongoing, and unemployment has risen to very high levels, with rising risks to white-collar employment (in addition to extremely-high youth unemployment) affecting the outlook for banks' household lending."

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Read more: http://money.cnn.com/2012/05/17/markets/moodys-downgrade-spanish-banks/

 

Demeter

(85,373 posts)
55. Italy's banks shaken as economic slump deepens By Ambrose Evans-Pritchard
Thu May 17, 2012, 01:56 PM
May 2012
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/financialcrisis/9268330/Italys-banks-shaken-as-economic-slump-deepens.html

As Greece erupts, Italy is moving into the eye of the storm. Its economy is contracting at speeds not seen since the depths of the slump in 2009 as draconian austerity bites, greatly increasing the risk of social revolt and a banking crisis...With the world's third largest debt after the US and Japan at €1.9 trillion (£1.18 trillion), it is big enough to bring the global financial system to its knees. It is also in the front line of contagion as the Greek crisis metastasizes.

Yields on 10-year Italian debt jumped 16 points to 5.86pc on Tuesday after Italy's data agency said the country is sliding even into deeper recession, with GDP shrinking 0.8pc in the first quarter.

Output is now 6pc below its peak in 2008. Italy has been trapped in perma-slump for a decade, the only major state to suffer a fall in real per capita income since 2000...The unelected government of Mario Monti is carrying out net fiscal tightening of 3.5pc of GDP this year even though Italy's budget is near primary surplus. This is three times the International Monetary Fund's "therapeutic" pace. All key measures of Italy's money supply have been contracting at 1930s rates over the last six months. ...

AnneD

(15,774 posts)
56. Afternoon Marketeers....
Thu May 17, 2012, 01:57 PM
May 2012
And lurkers. I am taking a hiatus for the next 4 days. I will be going to California to attend my daughter's graduation from college

Fudd, I luv you but... don't even go there.

Long time SWT regulars will remember when I first sent her off to school. Well, she graduated on time-something about the exorbitant tuition seemed to be a motivating factor. She was interviewed for a university publication last week because; she is a top student in her field, she is female in a male dominated field, and she is pretty darn photogenic. (again-watch it Fudd )

She has started a bit of interviewing, but with her references, we think she should have no problems. She has already had some offers. In addition to learning her craft, she has managed to make a lot of connections.

Anyway, I will leave out of Houston tomorrow and be back late Monday night. I may take my I pad, I haven't decided yet. If I do, I will drop a line. I can't tell you how glad I am that she has graduated. I can even make nice with the ex for a few days as long as there are adult beverages served.


Happy hunting and watch out for the bears.

Roland99

(53,342 posts)
59. U.S. 10-yr yields hit record-low close of 1.71%
Thu May 17, 2012, 02:40 PM
May 2012
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/us-10-yr-yields-hit-record-low-close-of-171-2012-05-17

Yields on benchmark 10-year Treasury notes on Thursday touched their lowest level ever on a closing basis, as weak U.S. data and worries about Greece and Spain converged to prompt investors to favor the safe-haven status of U.S. bonds. Yields on 10-year notes 10_YEAR -2.72% , which move inversely to prices, fell 5 basis points to 1.71%, matching their lowest close ever, set in September. Analysts said last fall they traded below that intraday. Most Treasury dealers don't cut off trading for at least another hour.



that and 30-year mortgage rates are hitting a record low, too, at 3.79%

Roland99

(53,342 posts)
60. Markets nearing the day's lows again.
Thu May 17, 2012, 02:41 PM
May 2012
[font color="red"]Dow 12,502 -96 -0.76%
Nasdaq 2,833 -41 -1.43%
S&P 500 1,312 -13 -0.96%
GlobalDow 1,780 -9 -0.49%[/font]
Gold 1,575 +38 +2.48%
[font color="red"]Oil 92.51 -0.30 -0.32% [/font]


Roland99

(53,342 posts)
62. new lows
Thu May 17, 2012, 03:35 PM
May 2012
[font color="red"]Dow 12,488 -110 -0.88%
Nasdaq 2,826 -48 -1.67%
S&P 500 1,310 -15 -1.10%
GlobalDow 1,778 -11 -0.61%
Oil 92.31 -0.50 -0.54% [/font]
Gold 1,574 +37 +2.42%


Roland99

(53,342 posts)
65. At the close - Saved by the bell
Thu May 17, 2012, 04:08 PM
May 2012
[font color="red"]Dow 12,442 -156 -1.24%
Nasdaq 2,814 -60 -2.10%
S&P 500 1,305 -20 -1.51%
GlobalDow 1,774 -15 -0.82%
Oil 92.52 -0.29 -0.31% [/font]
Gold 1,574 +38 +2.46%



Gonna be a Freaky Friday.

 

Demeter

(85,373 posts)
73. The Fairies Must Have Gone Out on Strike
Thu May 17, 2012, 07:06 PM
May 2012

Can't say as I'd blame them, either. I guess it would be a great weekend to curl up with Karl Marx.

Eugene

(61,593 posts)
67. Greece downgraded deeper into junk
Thu May 17, 2012, 04:11 PM
May 2012

Source: CNNMoney

Greece downgraded deeper into junk

By Chris Isidore @CNNMoney May 17, 2012: 3:20 PM ET

NEW YORK (CNNMoney) -- The credit rating on Greece's government debt was downgraded deeper into junk bond territory on Thursday.

Fitch Ratings cited the increased risk that Greece, operating now with a caretaker government, could be forced to leave the eurozone following more elections next month.

An exit from the eurozone would be "probable" if the elections fail to produce a government willing to stand by earlier austerity agreements reached with eurozone leaders, Fitch said.

In turn, the country's departure from the eurozone would "result in widespread default on private sector as well as sovereign euro-denominated obligations," the ratings agency said.

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Read more: http://money.cnn.com/2012/05/17/news/economy/greece-downgrade/index.htm

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