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Sun Jan 27, 2013, 01:14 PM

Check out this GD thread about Bill Maher's comments

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022268046

I thought I would paste a link in case someone cared to comment.

My opinion - does everything always have to be a big effenn deal? Seems like someone always wants to make every little thing into a big effenn deal.

Personally, I don't think I'm "out of whack" about expressing myself as the OP suggests, I think I express myself quite well and far too often.

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Reply Check out this GD thread about Bill Maher's comments (Original post)
Denninmi Jan 2013 OP
Scuba Jan 2013 #1
ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jan 2013 #2
Warren DeMontague Jan 2013 #3
discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2013 #8
Denninmi Jan 2013 #4
Warren Stupidity Jan 2013 #5
Warren DeMontague Jan 2013 #7
Denninmi Jan 2013 #6

Response to Denninmi (Original post)

Sun Jan 27, 2013, 01:42 PM

1. Bill really gets it, doesn't he?

I'd say he nailed it.

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Response to Denninmi (Original post)

Sun Jan 27, 2013, 02:38 PM

2. What a shit show that thread is

It's like a parody of some comedy skit from the eighties, making fun of the "Alan Alda type male"....except it's being willingly engaged in....or for the amusement of outside groups.

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Response to Denninmi (Original post)

Sun Jan 27, 2013, 03:46 PM

3. I think broad based generalizations are bullshit, and not helpful. There are, what, 150 Million Men

in the US?

Yes, verily, we can rattle off some offhanded sentence to talk about ALL of them, and what's "wrong" with 'em.

I've never fired a gun in my life. I'm an West Coast, Atheist hippie. I've never owned a pickup truck.

That I have some massive amount in common with a Fundamentalist NRA member from Alabama, is ridiculous.

As for Bill Maher, I agree with him about 85% of the time. Some of his insights on politics, religion, or the drug war, are spot on. But he's one of these, what I consider, stoner pseudo-intellectuals. He's probably a good 20 or so IQ points above the general population, and 70 IQ Points above the average Republican. But he thinks this makes him Michio Kaku or Stephen Hawking, and when he opines on shit like medicine and vaccines, NASA, or science, he's at times out of his depth.

(Sorry, Bill! )

What's funny, though, is that there is near-universal loathing of him from some quarters for his vaguely libertarian (eeeeewwwww!) attitudes towards sex, porn, and drugs... If the history of these sorts of things is any guide, though, those same folks will become the guy's biggest fans when he fires broad slams against "all men".

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Response to Warren DeMontague (Reply #3)

Wed Jan 30, 2013, 09:16 PM

8. I find BM funny...

...on occasion.

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Response to Denninmi (Original post)

Sun Jan 27, 2013, 05:03 PM

4. Well, that is a real cesspool of a thread.

Makes me want to hang my head in shame because I have the Y chromosome. I'll be sure to add it to my list of things to hang my head over, I should get to it about Thursday.

They seem to come up with a long list of things they don't like about us.

Is there anything they do like? Anything?

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Response to Denninmi (Original post)

Mon Jan 28, 2013, 05:49 AM

5. There is a dominant culture.

It has qualities. Some of them are pretty awful.

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Response to Warren Stupidity (Reply #5)

Wed Jan 30, 2013, 04:15 PM

7. I think a lot of people confuse what's in their own head with what is actually going on "out there"

"Oh, Cable TV is a cesspool! I spent 12 hours yesterday watching Toddlers and Tiaras and Honey Boo-boo, cable is a CESSPOOL!"

Right, and it never occurred to you to CHANGE THE CHANNEL, either. You do realize there are something like 900 other ones.

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Response to Denninmi (Original post)

Mon Jan 28, 2013, 12:54 PM

6. My take on that thread.

I really wanted to respond to the Bill Maher thread comments as well as those posted here on the Menís Group, because I think I can offer a perspective on the entire issue of ďmale cultureĒ, having seen and experienced it from a position of weakness where I really questioned my own masculinity and my place in the culture as a man.
First, I think there is a terrible double standard in play, one which results in a situation where itís impossible to win. On one hand, youíre expected to be strong, to follow the role models that we grew up with. I realize those have changed with time, itís not quite the land of the Marlboro Man on his horse alone, or the unfeeling, unaware, insensitive he-man of the past. But still, there was pressure on my generation, Iím the first year of GenX, and growing up in the 1970ís there were still fairly rigid sexual role models at play, despite the womenís liberation movement. Boys still didnít play with dolls, unless it was GI Joe. They played sports and still worked through the pain. Of course, if you were one of the boys that couldnít do that for whatever reason, you were on the bottom of the pecking order, few other values, such as intelligence, were rated as highly as physical strength and athleticism. Sensitivity was a weakness, if you cried easily you were really a failure in the eyes of society, something was wrong with you, because real men didnít do that.
This double standard still exists. If youíre what is considered the masculine standard of that era, youíre a brute, a Neanderthal, out of touch with your feelings and incapable of being a good partner. If youíre sensitive, youíre a wimp, milquetoast, weak. So, damned if you do and damned if you donít.

I thought all of the commentary attacking ďtraditionalĒ male interests such as organized sports and cars was interesting. So many who posted dismissed sports as just modern-day panem et circenses. I used to think that way myself. But Iíve had a change of heart there Ė I see a higher purpose than just diversion for the masses. Iíve observed here in Detroit that a mutual interest brings together the community in a good way, it helps people relate to each other, and other types of inter-reactions stem from it. Interest in the Tigers and Red Wings really does bring people together. Itís not just a side show in life meant to divert. Sure, there are excesses, such as the salaries paid to players, but that is part of a wider systemic belief system, CEOís and entertainers are paid more than anyone is really ďworthĒ. Similarly with cars, I think itís rather sad for people who are no doubt into reading, or pets, or cooking, or exercise, or collecting whatever, to criticize someone else for their own interests. Everyone, to my knowledge, has some interest, if itís just watching some dumb tv series, and I donít think anyone should be judged for an interest that is at least harmless and hopefully healthy and beneficial.

So, I think it really boils down to ONE thing Ė to Hell with these idiots. Iíve been on the receiving end of this shit too long. If I choose to learn to play basketball, or make quilts, my life, my business. If they donít like it, well, fuck off. I've spent enough of my life being judge, and feeling like I'm being judge, by other people who didn't have the right to do it in the first place. Enough is enough. I deserve to feel good about myself and to be happy.

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