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Sun Dec 9, 2012, 04:52 PM

Please read the pinned thread when you guys get a chance.

Thanks!

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Reply Please read the pinned thread when you guys get a chance. (Original post)
Warren DeMontague Dec 2012 OP
opiate69 Dec 2012 #1
lumberjack_jeff Dec 2012 #4
Bonobo Dec 2012 #2
MiddleFingerMom Dec 2012 #3
Major Nikon Dec 2012 #7
Behind the Aegis Dec 2012 #5
Warren DeMontague Dec 2012 #6
lumberjack_jeff Dec 2012 #8
hifiguy Dec 2012 #9

Response to Warren DeMontague (Original post)

Sun Dec 9, 2012, 07:40 PM

1. Nice job working that out with boston bean, Warren..

Now, can you guys get the leaders of Israel and Hamas on the phone?

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Response to opiate69 (Reply #1)

Sun Dec 9, 2012, 11:59 PM

4. He's already been nominated as SoS.

We expect a call any day.

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Response to Warren DeMontague (Original post)

Sun Dec 9, 2012, 08:27 PM

2. Well done!

I will certainly respect all the points in that agreement.

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Response to Warren DeMontague (Original post)

Sun Dec 9, 2012, 11:48 PM

3. I've sent the following PM to each of the three admins

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Subject Line: I think that HoF and the Men's Group have done a HIGHLY commendable job with these guidelines.
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To Skinner, EarlG and Elad:
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I am sending a link to each of the 3 admins and hoping that the three of you can get
together and come up with something similar for DU as a whole. I think these guidelines
mean that the toughest groundwork has already been done for you and that you just
need to tweak it to make it suitable for the entire site, much of which has become
quite toxic.
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I add this for the PPR'ing of long-term members -- a FINAL WARNING NOTIFICATION in which
one of the admins (or one of a group of admin-directed "PPR Czars") PM's the offender with
the message of "Your behavior is approaching or had already crossed over a line beyond
which you are going to be PPR'd unless your behavior changes/improves NOW."
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MiddleFingerMom
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HoF/MG Guidelines:
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http://www.democraticunderground.com/125513808
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Response to MiddleFingerMom (Reply #3)

Mon Dec 10, 2012, 09:32 AM

7. I think that's a pretty good idea

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Response to Warren DeMontague (Original post)

Mon Dec 10, 2012, 12:39 AM

5. Only #1 is a little concerning for me.

I completely agree with an end of the "rally the troops" and attacking other members/the group itself crap; that is just tiresome! However, I feel both groups, being safe havens, should be allowed to discuss this site and its issues as it pertains to each groups' mission statement/SOP. The issue with taking it to Meta is that it is open to everyone, and my feeling, is that is where some of the shit really starts. It is possible to discuss one's feelings without calling out others. When those discussions take place in their respective groups rarely do you have someone come along and say..."prove it! Let's see the posts/posters doing such and such. If you cannot provide them, then no such problem exists!" To me, that is FUCKING ANNOYING. Here, as I imagine in HOF, such accusatory (and, IMO, that is exactly what they are) posts do not, or rarely, happen. It becomes more a discussion about how we are feeling without making it about other people or dragging in dissent. I am all for discussion and dissent, but there are times where a 'friendly' atmosphere is conducive to healing and helping people move on with an issue.

Everything else looks good to me. I think it is a HUGE step in the right direction and will make DU a better place for it. You are all to be commended for taking these actions!

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Response to Behind the Aegis (Reply #5)

Mon Dec 10, 2012, 03:25 AM

6. I hear you. When I was working on it, I was trying to sort of work backwards through the processes

which had caused some of the problems previously; without trying to get bogged down in the specific problems themselves, right?

And I think you've hit the nail on the head, in that part of what has cropped up in the past is people discussing DU members, then having those people enter into the group to refute, then tension develops with in-group members, and either you have a blow-out, or someone gets blocked, and then the whole thing escalates.

It hasn't happened much, but it's been part of the dynamic, at least with this situation. Then you have people who feel they are being attacked, leading to blocks, then you have people who feel they don't have a chance to respond to accusations, leading to parallel threads in the opposing group.

I'm certainly not qualified or in any position to critique what's gone down specifically in other groups; my only point was, watching from afar it seems that some of the problems what have cropped up have been related to these sorts of isolated 'camps' forming and throwing crap at each other, or occasionally venturing over for the brief sortie into 'enemy territory'.

I TOTALLY get the need for safe havens; but- and I don't pretend to know for sure, I've just been brainstorming or trying to approach these problems in a new way, since the old patterns haven't been getting anyone anywhere- I wonder if the tendency of those sorts of threads to turn the SH groups into enclaves of 'us vs. the rest of DU' doesn't actually fuck with the whole safe haven energy more than actually hashing these things out in meta might.

I foresee our groups continuing to discuss issues- like I said, often the same issues, that are being discussed elsewhere on DU, but with perspectives unique to the group; but the idea is to try to keep meta type stuff out of the group. Meta type stuff being, again, DU-specific complaints.

I don't personally have any sort of hard line, like 'don't ever mention DU', and I'd have trouble envisioning posters talking about their feelings on, really, anything running afoul of the spirit of this deal... and if they do, no biggie, we'll all talk about it and try to come to some consensus on where the break should be between what should be here & what should be there--- we're all sort of fumbling around trying to get some new ways to approach the old problems. It'll be a learning process, I'm sure.

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Response to Behind the Aegis (Reply #5)

Mon Dec 10, 2012, 11:13 AM

8. I get your point

Some times "the topic of interest to men" is a discussion about prevailing culture. The prevailing culture we have in common is... DU.

Personally, I share the need to elevate the level of discussion and reduce the tribalism througout DU. But, I don't feel all that responsible and concerned for the tone of Meta. Skinner & co made it only available to registered users for a good reason - it's a pressure release valve.

Better to implement "meta rules"; What happens in meta, stays in meta.

My two cents.

Warren did a great thing here.

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Response to Warren DeMontague (Original post)

Mon Dec 10, 2012, 02:52 PM

9. Excellent work, Warren.

Kudos to you and HoF for working it out.

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