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Sun Aug 19, 2012, 02:13 AM

Rad-Fems who use the term "Manboobz"

Is using the term "manboobz" by radical feminists as offensive as men making fun of women for:

-Having facial hair, or
-saggy breasts, or
-cankles, or

etc.

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Reply Rad-Fems who use the term "Manboobz" (Original post)
Bonobo Aug 2012 OP
Warren DeMontague Aug 2012 #1
loli phabay Aug 2012 #2
ZenLefty Aug 2012 #3
Denninmi Aug 2012 #4
Warren Stupidity Aug 2012 #5
Bonobo Aug 2012 #6
Warren Stupidity Aug 2012 #7
opiate69 Aug 2012 #9
ProudToBeBlueInRhody Aug 2012 #10
Warren DeMontague Aug 2012 #11
Upton Aug 2012 #15
Upton Aug 2012 #16
Warren DeMontague Aug 2012 #23
4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #24
Warren DeMontague Aug 2012 #26
ProudToBeBlueInRhody Aug 2012 #8
MadrasT Aug 2012 #12
Bonobo Aug 2012 #13
redqueen Aug 2012 #14
Bonobo Aug 2012 #17
redqueen Aug 2012 #18
ProudToBeBlueInRhody Aug 2012 #22
JTFrog Aug 2012 #19
MadrasT Aug 2012 #20
redqueen Aug 2012 #21
MrSlayer Aug 2012 #25

Response to Bonobo (Original post)

Sun Aug 19, 2012, 02:28 AM

1. I think "mansplaining" is a gender-based slur

but where I to tell you why, I would be guilty of

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Response to Bonobo (Original post)

Sun Aug 19, 2012, 03:00 AM

2. i guess it depends on the context, i kinda like moobs as i call them :)

 

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Response to Bonobo (Original post)

Sun Aug 19, 2012, 04:13 AM

3. My man boobs are all muscle, baby!

That's the solemn pride I have after years of strength training and drinking protein shakes.

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Response to Bonobo (Original post)

Sun Aug 19, 2012, 04:36 AM

4. People can by hypocrites, nothing new there.

The rub comes when you point it out to them, they tend to not like that.

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Response to Bonobo (Original post)

Sun Aug 19, 2012, 10:25 AM

5. I think it is funny and I've heard men use the same phrase.

I have no idea where you got the idea that Manboobs is a radical feminist meme. Oh and mansplaining is in fact exactly what many of us do. We do that. It is a shoe that fits. I've done it. Frequently I just decide that there is no way that woman I've lived with for the last 30 years is going to understand something so I give her the mansplaination for it instead.

Back to Manboobs. Please refer to the Seinfeld Manssier episode. I rather doubt that Larry and Jerry were "rad-fems". Speaking of "rad-fems", can we drop that phrase? It is one degree of separation from feminazi.

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Response to Warren Stupidity (Reply #5)

Sun Aug 19, 2012, 11:05 AM

6. I never said ONLY woman say it.

Anymore than only MEN say "saggy tits".

But when women use it spitefully in the context of attacking men, it is no different.

As for maninsplaining, if you feel you do it, so be it. But it is a question of the context and the sexism inherent in it that is the issue.

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Response to Bonobo (Reply #6)

Sun Aug 19, 2012, 11:41 AM

7. it is sexist. I ain't perfect.

I find technical discussions with most women massively frustrating. The way men and women verbally communicate is, in my experience, very different, and those differences are exaggerated when discussing anything technical. When I first came across "mansplaining" I knew exactly what behavior that was referring to. You indeed might be the perfect non-sexist man, a man who has never mansplained anything, but did you not also understand immediately what the phrase referred to? I rest my case.

You didn't say only women say it, you attacked the mythical "rad-fems", apparently for their gross hypocrisy. Fine, whatever. I in turn pointed out that they didn't invent the term and it has been used to ridicule men for literally decades.

Can we drop "rad-fem" from our vocabulary? We don't have to be that idiotic.

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Response to Warren Stupidity (Reply #7)

Sun Aug 19, 2012, 01:42 PM

9. What's idiotic about using their own self-applied moniker???

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Response to Warren Stupidity (Reply #7)

Sun Aug 19, 2012, 01:43 PM

10. Radical feminist is nowhere near femi-Nazi

Sorry. It just isn't.

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Response to Warren Stupidity (Reply #7)

Sun Aug 19, 2012, 04:28 PM

11. Again, its a self applied label.

When people reference "twisty", or sheila jeffreys or andrea dworkin or catherine mackinnon or gail dines, they are quoting self described "radfems".

Thats their OWN label.

That said, i dont think "manboobs" is anyone's meme.

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Response to Warren Stupidity (Reply #7)

Mon Aug 20, 2012, 08:01 AM

16. They even had a conference known as Radfem 2012 scheduled..

which was eventually cancelled due to it's transphobic nature. There was talk about it here at DU..I'm surprised you don't remember..

http://www.democraticunderground.com/11396293

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Response to Upton (Reply #16)

Mon Aug 20, 2012, 07:33 PM

23. It was moved to a different venue that, presumably, didn't have a problem with the trans bigotry.

Featured Speakers, Sheila "Every time a woman orgasms with a man she is eroticizing her own oppression" Jeffreys along with our old friend Gail Dines.

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Response to Warren Stupidity (Reply #7)

Tue Aug 21, 2012, 12:46 PM

24. I think "rad-fem" is a fair description when it's self-applied.

 

There is a thriving subculture that takes pride in the label.

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Response to Warren Stupidity (Reply #7)

Sun Aug 26, 2012, 05:18 PM

26. There's a prominent radfem blogger is linked in an OP in HoF, and the excerpt praises "radfem hub"

so how the fuck it is misleading or otherwise disingenuous (much less idiotic) to use "radfem" as a label; is beyond me.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/125510322

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Response to Bonobo (Original post)

Sun Aug 19, 2012, 01:41 PM

8. Isn't that some kind of radfem blog

I see it quoted often over there, and I'm sure they don't give two craps or give much thought to it.

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Response to Bonobo (Original post)

Sun Aug 19, 2012, 07:53 PM

12. ???

I have never heard a radical feminist use that term to describe male pectoral tissue. Do they?

I have only heard it used in more mainstream ways (like on Seinfeld, or maybe on the Simpsons or something like that, and by random comedians).

I am vaguely aware that there is a website by that name.

Not crazy about the term, I think it's stupid and childish and I wouldn't use it (for a website, or to describe male pectoral tissue).

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Response to MadrasT (Reply #12)

Mon Aug 20, 2012, 04:06 AM

13. Yes, there is a website by that name.

And the website claims its purpose is to fight misogyny.

That would be like a men's advocacy website calling itself "Saggytits.com"

I appreciate you recognizing that the term coming from women as an attack can be as hurtful as any of the examples I compared it to.

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Response to Bonobo (Reply #13)

Mon Aug 20, 2012, 07:51 AM

14. The blog is run by David Futrelle.

He's not a "rad-fem", he's a guy who likes to mock misogyny. I'm pretty sure he means boobz as in idiots, not extra fat where breasts would be.

Puzzling that you chose to fixate on rad-fems as the source of the term in this OP (LOL, not really). If you went to the site, his name is right there, prominently featured on the front page.

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Response to redqueen (Reply #14)

Mon Aug 20, 2012, 08:05 AM

17. I guess I shouldn't have assumed it was run by a woman.

Also the double entendre honestly never occurred to me.

I think I should probably apologize for this OP as it seems I made some very wrong assumptions.

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Response to Bonobo (Reply #17)

Mon Aug 20, 2012, 08:15 AM

18. No, there's definitely no need to apologize.

And it's understandable that rad fems would get the blame. They've only been badmouthed and portrayed as the female version of fringe MRAs on this site for months now.

It's a very good blog. He does a great job of shining a light on the cockroaches.

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Response to redqueen (Reply #18)

Mon Aug 20, 2012, 11:10 AM

22. Interesting

Are you saying there are absolutely no radical feminist groups that wander off into the type of hateful and nonsensical rhetoric that some MRA groups do? Or what should they be called other than radfems?

To get indignant that posters put up questionable quotes and essays from people you apparently have some shred of respect for crosses into the Sarah Palin territory of "The media is biased for quoting me verbatim".

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Response to redqueen (Reply #14)

Mon Aug 20, 2012, 10:05 AM

19. Thank you. n/t

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Response to redqueen (Reply #14)

Mon Aug 20, 2012, 10:59 AM

20. That's how I took it.

I'm pretty sure he means boobz as in idiots


It doesn't make a lick of sense otherwise.

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Response to MadrasT (Reply #20)

Mon Aug 20, 2012, 11:03 AM

21. It would if he featured pictures of overweight men, and was mocking them for their appearance.

But yeah, otherwise, no it doesn't make any sense at all.

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Response to Bonobo (Original post)

Wed Aug 22, 2012, 08:11 AM

25. I guess it depends on how sensitive one is.

 

None of that bothers me so, no.

Your mileage may vary.

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