Bernie just went from being a Kucinich to being a Nader.

[Sparkly]

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I always liked Sanders and what he had to say. I thought his candidacy would keep important issues in the debate, and would neutralize the usual attempts to portray the Democratic candidate as "lefty socialist Marxist pinko" blah blah blah blah blah.

And frankly, I would LIKE to see the country go more lefty socialist Marxist pinko whatever.

But let's be HONEST. (Despite the fact that "honest" is now a word that means "raining on our parade" and "establishment" and "not on our side" and "how dare you say magic sparkly unicorns aren't real! All you have to do is believe!!&quot

I thought he was a Kucinich. I thought he knew where the country is, wanted to stop Republicans, cared about his issues, and didn't want to jeopardize everything with unrealistic ideas about taking the White House.

Once he's seen it in far-fetched reach though, he wants to go for the gold, with the RNC cheering him on. He could get a brokered convention. He could get the nomination and continue with zero opposition from the rightwing. Oh, and Congress will magically turn Democratic (or Socialist), there'll be a "Revolution" in DC, and things will happen with no plans whatsoever -- banks will break up, the 1% will pay their fair share, the world will live in peace...

Now he's Nader. He's on the outside looking in, criticizing people who actually have been in the fight and are running to continue the battle, not to preach from on high as IF things were different or wishing will make it so. Saying Secretary Clinton is "Establishment" and implying that she's corrupt, dishonest and immoral was bad enough. Tonight he actually said she is "unqualified?!?!!"

This is not a constructive debate. It's a DESTRUCTIVE battle. I can't put myself through more juvenile politically-fundamentalist rantings on DU. Been there, done that, they can't be convinced. She is evil, he is pure, period. So I'm not going to hang out in GD: Primaries.

I so hate confrontations (and so easily feel hurt), I've kept my Louise Brooks avatar... But I'm coming out. I'm changing my avatar. Then I'm going to go make another donation to HRC.

I can respect a Kucinich. I can NOT respect a Nader.

[Firebrand Gary]

1. He just disqualified himself from the democratic party.

I wonder if maybe he hasn't been a spoiler all along?

[question everything]

9. Yes. He just want to destroy the party

I just posted on GDP

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1666405

[NurseJackie]

2. Awful. His fans should be embarrassed.

[grossproffit]

3. Your post has inspired me to change my avatar, too.

[Sparkly]

4. Yay!

Thank you for saying so!!!

[BlueMTexpat]

5. Thanks for your contribution, Sparky!

I'm maxed out, unfortunately, so I am encouraging everyone I know who isn't maxed out to contribute.

She will do us all proud.

[stopbush]

6. Just changed my avatar as well

(and I love my Obama avatar), but it's time for all real Democrats to unite in every way possible behind the ONLY REAL Democrat running for president, Hillary Clinton.

Bernie Fucking No Clue Panders can go to hell.

[Sparkly]

10. Wow!

[wryter2000]

31. Changed mine, too

I stared out pretty neutral, with a preference for Hillary but happy with either candidate. The behavior of Sanders supporters has pushed me over the edge.

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

37. Bernie Panders

Good one

[Hekate]

7. You are oh so right. I've had it up to here with his sanctimonious preaching, unrealistic...

....worldview, and "plans" that rely 99% on magical thinking. I've had it up to here with his followere, and now Sanders himself, urging us all to follow him off a cliff so they can bask in theor sel-righteousness.

5th Rec for you

[ladym55]

8. It really seems like Bernie's campaign is going off the rails

How is Hillary NOT qualified? She is the most qualified of any of the candidates--she has demonstrated her abilities both in the Senate and then as SOS. She can actually ANSWER policy questions because she has actually participated in formulating policy.

I am not appreciating the hysteria being generated by Bernie's campaign. It is angry, overwrought, and at this point completely counterproductive.

And if the Bernie Bros think that M$M is going to treat their guy kindly in the general, they are even more delusional than I think they are.

[CalvinballPro]

11. I'm fed up with him trying to dictate Clinton's behavior. He keeps demanding she apologize

for events outside of her control. Holy hell, two more weeks of this...

[pandr32]

36. He keeps trying to call her to heel

It is disgusting and reflective of an overbearing and insufferable old white patriarch.

[Koinos]

12. It gets awful when demigogues start to believe the things they are saying.

And they start to believe what their followers believe about them. Truthfully, the bird was just looking for water; and Sanders is just human, all-too-human.

I thought Sanders had more moral character than that. I guess not. I see him as a fire out of control and anger that is about to consume itself.

I believe that his Senate career is finished as well. Who will trust him? And the superdelegates committed to Hillary will not be swayed by such distemper.

Elizabeth Warren's non-endorsement of Sanders was very wise. Why hitch your wagon to a horse jumping off the cliff?

[johnp3907]

13. I changed my avatar when the Sandernistas called me a racist, fascist, and anti Semite.

So I understand why you changed yours. But promise me you'll bring Louise back when things settle down around here.

[Sparkly]

16. LOL -- you got it.

After she wins.

[fleabiscuit]

14. Nailed it! K&R

[spooky3]

15. Well-said.

[TMontoya]

17. I should

Probably get myself a Hillary avatar as well.

[stopbush]

19. Use the ones available at DU.

Go to My Profile at the top of this page, scroll to the bottom and select an avatar.

[dlwickham]

18. he pulled the pin and tossed the grenade

but it rolled under his chair

he's toast

[BlueCaliDem]

20. Excellent post! Enjoyed reading it

[Cha]

22. Hey you have President Obama and Delores Huerta, too, Blue Cali~

in your sig..

[BlueCaliDem]

24. lol! I added President Obama & Delories Huerta the week Sarandon attacked her in Las Vegas, Cha!

I love them both.

[Cha]

28. So did I.. I just didn't notice yours before!

[BlueCaliDem]

30. I noticed yours immediately! Great minds think alike, Cha.

[GusBob]

21. Wow! What a post!!

Home run!!! Thank you

[Cha]

23. Mahalo Sparkly~

[Raissa]

25. Well said. Nt

[Her Sister]

26. Thank you! So well said!

Truly disheartening! But finally showing their true colors and their qualifications!!

My avatar is already for HRC! But wish I could double it!

SO READY FOR HER!

[Gothmog]

27. Sanders and Nader have a great deal in common-tweedle dee and tweedle dum

Sanders and the traitor Nader share a love of stating that there is no difference between the Democratic and Republican parties and have even used the same sad terminology. Sanders first used the same terminology of stating that there are no differences between the Democratic Party and the Republican party when he ran as a spoiler for governor. http://www.bostonglobe.com/opinion/2016/02/04/when-bernie-sanders-ran-against-vermont/kNP6xUupbQ3Qbg9UUelvVM/story.html?p1=Article_Trending_Most_Viewed

Hillary Clinton is not the first progressive Democratic woman to be challenged by Bernie Sanders. He ran against me in 1986 when I was running for my second term as governor of Vermont. At that time he had little affinity for the Democratic Party. When advised that his third-party candidacy might result in a Republican victory, he saw no difference between Democrats and Republicans, saying: “It is absolutely fair to say you are dealing with Tweedledum and Tweedledee.”[/div
After Sanders used this termination, Nader joined in first http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2008/jun/30/ralph-nader/nader-almost-said-gore-bush-but-not-quite/

Again and again throughout the campaign, Nader implied that he thought Bush and Gore equally objectionable. "It doesn't matter who is in the White House, Gore or Bush, for the vast majority of government departments and agencies," Nader said in a news conference in September 2000.

"The only difference between Al Gore and George W. Bush is the velocity with which their knees hit the floor when corporations knock on their door," he told supporters in California a month later.

"It's a Tweedle Dee, Tweedle Dum vote," Nader said in Philadelphia four days before the election, repeating a favorite refrain of his. "Both parties are selling our government to big business paymasters. ...That's a pretty serious similarity."

Nader also failed to challenge Sam Donaldson on ABC's This Week when Donaldson said, "You don't think it matters. You've said it doesn't matter to you who is the president of the United States, Bush or Gore."

Nader replied, "Because it's the permanent corporate government that's running the show here ... you can see they're morphing more and more on more and more issues into one corporate party."

Sanders needs to back down from this crap if he wants to speak at the national convention

[Cha]

29. That's right.. the Tweedledum & Tweedledee fallacy.. nader took it from BS.

[Gothmog]

32. Sanders gave Nader a license to use this stupid line

Nader and Sanders have a great deal in common

[Cha]

33. So much in common and now we're re-living the nightmare .. only this

time the tweedledum&tweedledee pusher is not going to FUBAR our country.

[COLGATE4]

34. Confirms why his Senate colleagues are not jumping all

over each other to support his candidacy. He's dogmatic, old and cranky. Hasn't thought about his positions since he was Mayor of Burlington.

[pandr32]

35. Exellent post! Woot-woot!