For as many years as I have been on this board,

[Loki]

even though my post count doesn't say much about my commenting style, I can say that I have lost so much respect for so many members who I thought were fighting the good fight for the people of this country, Democrats and our party. To see so much animosity toward a candidate because they have chosen someone else is sad, but it makes me angry. What in the hell do they think will happen with the Republican President, and Republican Congress and a Republican Senate? The Tea Party mentality is scary. It happened to the Republicans and now it's happened to people in the Democratic party that I actually thought were reasonable, thinking adults. I understand now how the good German felt while watching his/her country slide down into the crazy abyss. Thank you all for being here and onward to South Carolina and I'm looking forward to hearing the words "Madam President."

[workinclasszero]

1. "The Tea Party mentality is scary"

It sure is and now its here in the democratic party as well.

We must fight the good fight against it and..on to SC and super tuesday!

[Iliyah]

2. Gosh they had a breakdown of who voted for T-rump

It scary.

Go HRC!

[Ellen Forradalom]

3. The reversals we keep reading

are standard operating procedure against women under patriarchy. I think a lot of people are freaking out, consciously or not, over the thought of Madam President.

[BlueMTexpat]

72. That is indeed a big part

of it.

[Ellen Forradalom]

126. Mom will make them do their chores and eat their vegetables

Oh, the horror.

[Brainstormy]

4. Sadly, I must agree

Right now I lean a bit towards Bernie, but like you I've been appalled at the lack of civility on the part of fellow Democrats and the entrenched hostility toward Clinton. Will these folks not regret some of the things they've said should Hillary Clinton get the nomination? I hate to think that so much ugliness generated here could come back around and be used by the opposition to elect someone like Donald Trump. Surely, THAT is the greatest evil! I fear that a house so divided could fall.

[Ellen Forradalom]

6. That's a reasonable fear

in this highly volatile election cycle.

There seems to be a wish on the part of the far left* in the US to punish the Democratic party after a successful eight-year run in the White House. In 2000 there was a lot of pointed rage towards Bill Clinton and Al Gore which fueled the Nader phenomenon. I discern some of the same dynamic in this case, where HRC represents the outgoing administration as Al Gore did in 2000. Neither of them deserve this treatment.

*'Far left' is relative. The US is not brimming with Trotskyite parties. Although, come to think of it, I do detect some 'entryism' and 'heightening the contradictions'.

[LovingA2andMI]

17. The House Is Divided.

Blame The DNC, Debbie Wasserman Schultz, Super-Perpetrators, David Brock, Lying On Bernie and the Third Way Chosen Candidate Hillary Clinton -- for that. Not the Voter!

[Coolest Ranger]

29. Stop blaming Debbie Wasserman Shultz

Bernie knew the rules when he agreed to become a democrat for this election. This is the Hillary Clinton group if you can't say something nice take it to general discussion. Delete your comment please

[LovingA2andMI]

30. Delete What....

Spell Her Name Right Its Debbie Wasserman Schultz and She Along With The DNC Will Bare The Total Responsibly For Whatever Happens or Fails To Happen In November.

[Coolest Ranger]

48. Really can you take your attitude

to general discussion we don't need it here in the Hillary Clinton group.

[LovingA2andMI]

54. My "Attitude"

Interesting. "Attitude"....

[Coolest Ranger]

55. That's it

bye Felicia. I'm blocking you. Hopefully a host will boot you to where you belong soon.

[LovingA2andMI]

58. My Name is Not Felicia...

Neither do I need to check my "Attitude" but your analogies are shocking, just shocking....

[ismnotwasm]

99. That was a very odd exchange

I still don't know what they were trying to do

[Stand and Fight]

122. All that person did was prove how nasty Bernie supporters are on this board.

The ones I caucused with on Saturday were nice people. I don't know what's wrong with DU, but that kind of attitude -- YES ATTITUDE -- is counterproductive and contributes nothing to making sure the party stays strong.

[BlueMTexpat]

77. Nice that you were

outraged at the misspelling of DWS's name, but you missed "bear" instead of "bare" - unless that was deliberate and a Freudian slip.

[ismnotwasm]

41. What is a super-perpetrator?

Did I spell that right?

[fleabiscuit]

42. Don't count on any meaningful reply.

Nonsense is unexplainable except with more nonsense.

[LovingA2andMI]

50. Well, since you asked....

Despite the spelling error...maybe you should ask your candidate.

[ismnotwasm]

73. Oh FFS

THAT clip?

I repeat, what is a super-perpetuator?

[LovingA2andMI]

78. Ask Your Candidate...

Minus the spelling error -- since I have no idea what the term means - since she used it -- maybe she will know not only the proper spelling but exactly what she meant by it.

What a concept, you think!

[ismnotwasm]

81. There is a difference between perpetrators and predators

I thought you were talking about supper-delagates or something, so what, exactly, are you talking about?

[LovingA2andMI]

83. Uh Huh....

Ask Your Candidate as I cannot help you defined what she meant -- heck I cannot even spell it correctly -- but you can. Interesting...

[ismnotwasm]

84. What?

I know about that speech--I know about it in context. I am still not understanding you. Please clarify

[AtheistCrusader]

86. It's a racist criminology 'term'.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/04/12/1377246/-Sheriff-Morgan-Revives-Racist-Speculation-Urban-Legend-and-Junk-Science-to-Smear-All-Young-B

[ismnotwasm]

94. Are you calling Hillary a racist?

Is that what this is all about? Do you think that is appropriate in the HRC group?

[AtheistCrusader]

102. I didn't intend to come into the HRC group. It was on the front page.

But you asked about that phrase, and yes, Hillary was using racist coded language in that clip.

Is Hillary a racist? Dunno, it's possible to recite a talking point without realizing the true meaning. Unfortunate she sure got caught up in some of their lingo/legal tactics back then. She is, of course, not alone in having done so, but there was real world damage as a result. She had a platform, used it, spewed unsubstantiated nonsense that served racists well. That should count towards one's credibility.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/02/16/black-13-and-jailed-for-life-in-clinton-s-america.html

Sanders isn't exactly innocent on all charges either, but he had a much less direct role in it.

[LovingA2andMI]

88. No Need To Clarify...

For the fourth time over, ask your candidate. If she cannot tell you what she meant, I cannot help you.

Now, here is your candidate, again.

P.S. -- We (I) don't fall for the bait but feel free to keep asking the question as maybe someone will eventually tell you what your candidate meant. We (I) have other things to do.

[AtheistCrusader]

90. "bring them to heel."

[ismnotwasm]

91. So you didn't mean "perpetrators" at all

You meant "predators" and you are linking to an 8 second clip to prove what?

[ismnotwasm]

95. Then why are you here?

Oops, you can't reply, perhaps I'll see you in GD-P, where such exchanges belong. Adieu.

[The Second Stone]

43. I blame posters with opinions

similar to the one you expressed.

[Coolest Ranger]

52. It's okay i told one of the

hosts already about this particular poster. She should chime in here soon as she sees my message.

[LovingA2andMI]

53. That is What This Board Is About...

About Opinions? Or is this a discussion board? Can you explain what a discussion board means?

[brer cat]

61. See post 57 below.

[brer cat]

57. Reading is fundamental.

Try starting your education by reading the difference between groups and forums, and the statement of purpose for this group.

[LovingA2andMI]

64. LOL!!

See This.

Discussion Board:

"A discussion board (known also by various other names such as discussion group, discussion forum, message board, and online forum) is a general term for any online "bulletin board" where you can leave and expect to see responses to messages you have left. Or you can just read the board. The first discussion boards were available on bulletin board systems. On the Internet, Usenet provides thousands of discussion boards; these can now sometimes be viewed from a Web browser.

Many websites offer discussion boards so that users can share and discuss information and opinions."

http://whatis.techtarget.com/definition/discussion-board-discussion-group-message-board-online-forum

And are you saying certain folks "can't read"? Well now, shocking, just shocking.

No need to see any other post. #FYI

[brer cat]

100. Yep, you need to work on your reading skills.

Try reading what is posted for this site since those are the rules you agreed to follow when you joined:

This is a group, not a forum. Groups often serve as safe havens for members who share similar interests and viewpoints. Individuals who post messages contrary to a particular group's stated purpose can be excluded from posting in that group.

[LovingA2andMI]

105. Uh Huh....

It's a Discussion Board. We (I) can read QUITE WELL and the term is reading comprehension -- no such thing as "reading skills" (the term is a oxymoron) and this discussion is a bait and trap. With that, my point has been proven.

Enjoy this discussion board and Talk among yourself.

[George II]

114. The Hillary Clinton Forum is NOT just another "discussion board", just as the Bernie Sander Forum...

....is not just another "discussion board".

Look at the top of the screen, "About this Forum":

Statement of Purpose

Discuss the life, career, and accomplishments of Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton. Supporters only.

You'll see a similar SOP for the Sanders Forum.

Now you know.

[Hekate]

93. You have wandered into the Hillary Group.

If the OP had thought s/he could have had a reasonable discussion of this issue in GDP, s/he would have posted there.

[Hekate]

109. This is the HRC Group. Go away if you can't play like a grownup.

[bluestateguy]

68. We'll patch things up

we did after the primaries in 2004 and 2008. And we'll do it again. And if and she she wins the nomination, it will be Hillary's responsibility to reach out to Bernie and his supporters.

[Hekate]

110. She'll reach out. Bernie will shake hands. But his Children's Crusade will take their toys home....

....because real life politics is not their thing. jmho

[Satch59]

5. Not true democrats is my take...

I too have been here for a long time, since 2002, when we all bonded here for refuge during Bush v Gore. (I had changed email and lost all my prior post counts) It wasn't this bad here, as some say, in 2008...we had differences but we all came together full force for Obama. Don't feel that will happen here...it is like a democrat tea party and that is truly scary...goes against everything the Democratic Party stands for so I don't think some of the BS supporters are true democrats: a bunch are college kids just jumping on the social media bandwagon and probably wouldn't have voted if not for that. Not sure they know what's at stake for the Supreme Court and how their lives and freedoms could change if we don't band together. They are spewing Hillary GOP talking points which falls on our deaf ears and rolling eyes...

[pandr32]

12. I agree! Newbies with an overinflated view of their political power

Youth and socio-political movements are not strangers. The thing is that even though the country is pretty evenly split between Republicans and Democrats, Republicans carry a slight advantage because of redrawn boundaries that help stack the House in their favor, and a Media that is corporate owned and gets its revenue from advertisers--tending to favor Republican tax-cutting and anti-regulation policies, so there is a discernible conservative bias.
The advantage that Democrats have found themselves holding is that the Republican Party itself is in a civil war, and that President Obama has been rather successful. We also have stronger candidates than those who hopped out of the GOP clown car this election cycle.
Suddenly, Sanders, who decided to run and push our election policies a little further left than normal, started talking "revolution"--his campaign became aggressive and became associated with some rather unethical practices that we usually find in right-wing campaigns. We have seen data theft, the unauthorized use of logos, citing endorsements that were not given, right-wing talking points and smears against our lead candidate, impersonations to gain unauthorized access, and all kinds of accusations and threats against the DNC--all the while Sanders is running as a Democrat after railing against Democrats for decades. As a matter of fact he is still an Independent in Vermont where he will again run to be in the Senate if he fails with his presidential run.
The newbies he has attracted have grown up and been socialized differently than many of the rest of us. Many have come from Republican households. Their background is social media, lots of television and internet media, and gaming dominant. While some of Sanders supporters seem a little more down to earth, many are "out there" and do not operate with the same rules, the same ethics, and the same world views that the rest of us have.
It will be very difficult to bring this fringe group, and a large one at that, into the Democratic Party when they find their "revolution" is a Bernie Sanders' fantasy and fizzles.

[fleabiscuit]

45. True that.

I was alerted on when I pointed out that there was no fundamental difference between BS supporters and Dump supporters. Fortunately I had a sane jury majority.

[UtahLib]

7. I feel your pain and disappointment but

hope, right along with you, all Democrats will wake up before it is too late for the people of America. The election of a republican would mean disaster for everyone.

[shenmue]

8. True

[yallerdawg]

9. I've talked to some 'kids' who like Bernie...

who have not voted before, do not identify as Democrats, don't really care about who these candidates are.

'Free stuff'!

Don't tell them Bernie will never win - they don't want to be told anything anymore!

"Hillary" represents mum and dad. That is the 'revolution.'

They didn't turn out in Nevada. They will become more meaningless as we go along. Bernie will fade back to Senator Sanders (I-VT)*.

And we'll put the Democratic back in 'Democratic Underground'!!!

[PeaceNikki]

10. OMG not only are they jumping sharks, they are filling schoolbuses with sharks,

lining them up next to each other, setting them on fire, setting themselves on fire, and jumping the flaming schoolbuses filled with sharks, while flaming.

[Bobbie Jo]

145. LOL!

Sharktastic!

[Gothmog]

11. I am looking forward to our first female POTUS

I also like the term "Madame President"

[FailureToCommunicate]

13. It sounds like you are equating people here (who support the other primary candidate) as

Last edited Mon Feb 22, 2016, 02:29 PM - Edit history (1)

being the same as Tea Party crazies, and also being the same as Nazi sympathizers ??

Really?

If not, please clarify what you mean. I must have misunderstood your post.

[KPN]

20. Exactly what it sounds like to me too.

I don't post much or often, but I've followed DU for years. This Hillary group is about as caustic as it gets here at DU.

[PeaceNikki]

22. Then you can easily avoid it.

Seems simple enough.

[Loki]

23. Why did you even bother to respond to my post?

I don't go to the Bernie group and post crap like this. You are the problem, not the solution.

[Coolest Ranger]

62. We don't go into bernie's group and make comments like

what I just saw you make but yet you feel as though that you have to come into our group and demand that we shut up.

[wryter2000]

14. K&R

Thank you!

[LovingA2andMI]

15. I Look Forward To Folks...

Having the PRIVACY OF the VOTING BOOTH to make their decision or choosing to stay where their conscious lead them.

[LovingA2andMI]

21. Yes, Elections Do Have Consequences...

As Well As Consequences For Nominating The Wrong Candidate...

[PeaceNikki]

31. That's part of the problem. It's incredibly divisive and arrogant to proclaim one of these two

candidates "wrong".

[LovingA2andMI]

32. That Voters Will Decide...

The Outcome. Period. Both Of Them.

[PeaceNikki]

34. Hey, did you hear that water is wet???!

Especially divisive and arrogant to waltz into a safe haven and do it.

[LovingA2andMI]

38. And Streets Are Dry On A Sunny Day...

Unless It Rains -- along with a litany of other analogies...

[ismnotwasm]

79. Why are you here, exactly?

[LovingA2andMI]

80. It's a Discussion Board....

And folks for some reason keep asking questions to me on this section of the board. Don't know why, but I'm kindly answering their questions.

[ismnotwasm]

82. I see.

[Hekate]

111. Then why all the moaning and conspiracy theories when Sanders doesn't do so well?

Are you and your cohort ready to accept a Hillary win as one of the "consequences "?

Well, I'm sure you'll let us know in GDP, because I think you finally got blocked in HRC.

[onecaliberal]

18. You won't be hearing that any time soon.

[Happyhippychick]

19. I completely agree, it has been appalling

Threads like this get very few replies because 90% of the board is supporting Bernie and is doing so in such a visceral manner that it has become a huge turnoff for those of us who would be happy with either one.

[mgmaggiemg]

24. thanks for posting

appreciate your comments

[jaysunb]

25. I like Bernie, but I've been extremely disappointed with some

Of the incivility on both sides. It's so unnecessary and foolish. But....this is my fourth presidential campaign at DU, and nothing ever changes. Very sad, indeed.

[Coolest Ranger]

59. Except it's not both sides doing this

It's only coming from one side.

[mcar]

129. Exactly

And this is far worse than 2008.

[Hekate]

115. It's not "both sides"

Let's just say I started out liking Bernie and eager to see what he would bring to the Democratic campaign, but what he brought, sadly, was a crapload of followers eager to trample any deviation from purity, in fact any disagreement at all, into the mud.

The attacks are not just vicious against Candidate Hillary, but against those who endorse her, from the Planned Parenthood PAC to the Human Rights Campaign, to elderly activists in Labor Rights and Civil Rights. What the Hell are they thinking? The sheer ignorance of the people making these attacks is bad enough, but the doubling down when other DUers try to at least educate them is enough to gag a goat.

I started out liking Bernie, but his followers who have taken over this Board want to smash anything in their way. That's not just uncivil, it's scary.

[jaysunb]

125. I think some of the "disrupters" are here to do

just that: disrupt....but you and I know from past campaign seasons how this works. It's a shame, but it's what happens in an open forum like this.
I'm not sure if people are paid to spy and agitate or if some are just prone to bad behavior in general---especially when they can be basically anonymous. Whatever the cause or reason, it certainly doesn't help promote unity and shared end goals.

I turned GDP off a while back. It's as bad as the Lounge once got to be ten or twelve years ago.

In 04 I was a Deaniac at this place and on the ground. We took and gave a lot of shit w/ the Edwards and Kerry crowd, right up to the end, but at the end, we got behind Kerry.

I like Bernie and thought a lot of Gov. O'Malley, but if Sec. Clinton should be the nominee ( and I believe she will be ) I will work equally as hard to see her win in November.

[yallerdawg]

33. Shouldn't you be posting anywhere else...

besides the Hillary Group safe haven?

[noamnety]

40. Apologies

I edited - I jumped here from another link and didn't notice the group.

[rnk6670]

27. For as many years as I have been voting democratic,

It's never been more clear, that continually justifying my vote with the ridiculous perspective that it's better than the alternative, has accomplished nothing. I will no longer hold my nose while voting for moderate republicans in democratic clothing.

Hillary Clinton is a corporate shill and a deceptive power monger. Would she be less damaging than Trump? Perhaps. Marginally at best. More than likely paying lip service to progressive ideals while continuing to dismantle what's left of the middle class.

Both her and Obama have absolutely ignorant perspectives on middle income. Obama declared no one with less than $250,000 would see a tax increase Hilary makes even that sound reasonable by declaring her limit to be $5,000,000!

Very little effort need be expended to find that at 250k you're in the TOP THREE PERCENT ! What in the fuck is that? It's time, beyond fucking time, we started pushing back. No, Hillary isn't a reasonable alternative. She's a continuation of the same old problem. Not this time. Not anymore. I'm done. No, I won't vote for Hillary. Ever.

[yallerdawg]

35. This is not the Bernie Group - or anywhere else in DU land.

Why are you posting this drek in the Hillary Support Group, our sanctuary?

[rnk6670]

44. I saw the

post on the main page and responded. It's a discsussion board. I discussed. It's a valid response.

[brer cat]

69. Not in this group.

Read the difference between forums and groups. You don't belong here.

[rnk6670]

87. Again

It was splashed on the main page. If I, or anyone else for that matter, aren't willing to subject their ideas and opinions to the review of their fellow board or group members, then maybe that should hide for fear of opposing view points.

I welcome open, honest, respectful discussion. Particularity with those whom with I disagree. It's called a diologue as opposed to a monologue or echo chamber.

Used to think it was what separated progressives from conservatives.

[brer cat]

96. At the top of the page

when you click on the thread it is clearly labeled Hillary Clinton Group. There are plenty of forums and other groups for you to discuss whatever you wish, but not this one. Open, honest and respectful are not words I would use to describe the Bernie supporters who insist on crashing this group.

[stonecutter357]

47. Are you a true Bernie supporter ?

[rnk6670]

97. I'm a true leftist

and progressive democrat. My first election at the age of 18, was the beginning of the end, the election of Ronald Reagan to his 1st term. It's been a steep and steady downward trend for working class Americans ever since. I feel like this election presents an opportunity to push the political discussion in this country leftward with more force than any other election in my adult life. I don't intend to let fear or second guessing deter me from what is the right thing to do.

[Hekate]

117. I always love phrases like that. It's like religion.

"I am a true leftist."

[rbrnmw]

128. progressives don't call themselves leftists

gave their-self away with that comment

[XemaSab]

63. AUTOMATED MESSAGE: Results of your Jury Service

Mail Message
On Mon Feb 22, 2016, 11:50 AM an alert was sent on the following post:

For as many years as I have been voting democratic,
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1107&pid=52957

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

I'm done. No, I won't vote for Hillary. Ever.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Mon Feb 22, 2016, 11:55 AM, and the Jury voted 3-4 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: While I disagree with some of what the poster said, it's a sentiment that needs to be heard here.
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Argue substance if you don't like a post.
Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Reads pretty trollish to me from such a new user.
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: The truth hurts, doesn't it?
Juror #6 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Post seems to be a clear violation of DU terms of service regarding refusal to support a potential Democratic Party nominee.
Juror #7 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

[Coolest Ranger]

70. If you got that in the mailbox

hit the alert button so that the admins will get a copy of that. These alerters who are trying to silence us need to have their posting privileges taken away from them.

[Loki]

132. My very first post in the BS Group

Got a permanent ban. I think you should do the honorable thing, if you even know what that is, and leave. I don't give a s**t about your opinions.

[Coolest Ranger]

134. Why the heck

are you going off on me? I'm a Hilary Clinton supporter myself

[Loki]

137. I'm sorry. I was responding to someone up thread

on my phone and it was put underneath your answer. Not intended for you, but to the BS infiltrators that seem to think they can post any thing they want to in this group. Like I said, I was banned after just one post and it never reached the acrimony that we've seen here.

[Coolest Ranger]

65. Hey you are in the Hillary Clinton group

We don't go into Bernie's group and type what I just saw you type, delete this comment and leave. A host will not be as kind as we are

[ismnotwasm]

74. Good

[Hekate]

112. This is the HRC group. Just go away.

[taught_me_patience]

124. Why are you calling Hillary a "deceptive power monger" in the Hillary group?

Get out. Go to GDP and join the hundreds of others saying the same thing.

[otohara]

140. The World Will Be Horrified

but that's okay because hating Hillary forever and always is far more important than our standing in the world.

My Japanese husband reads news from Japan everyday and they are laughing at the idea of POTUS Trump.

[Starry Messenger]

28. They can't even let us be in here. :(

Entitlement mentality.

[Treant]

89. Of course not.

The abuse will continue until Sanders receives 100% in every election.

This will not happen, of course, but it's amusing to see them choose exactly the wrong course of action to win. And I never interfere when my opponent is making a severe mistake.

[Starry Messenger]

92. +1

[Orrex]

36. My "Ignore" list has doubled in size several times during this primary season

I've ignored members with over a decade of solid posting history, some of them real allies in other debates, but now? This is something else altogether.


Once the dust settles, I might clear it out a bit, but I agree that the toxicity running remarkably high lately.

And I don't care what anyone says about the similar tone of 2008, because I was here in 2008, and it was nothing like what we're seeing today. The worst we saw was some eye-rolling about Kucinich seeing a UFO at Shirley MacClaine's party.

[SunSeeker]

37. K & R

[redstatebluegirl]

39. The tone has changed that is for sure.

I went last night to see President Clinton in OKC and plan to see Bernie if he comes to the state before the primary. As I have said, I have not made up my mind on which one I will vote for but I support both of them as strong candidates. I think we have a lot of new people who support Bernie and can't do it in a civil way. Some Hillary supporters as well, but it doesn't appear to be as many.

I had a young man on my porch this weekend supporting Bernie, had I not had a history of working with college age young people I would have been very put off by his visit. He said some very nasty things about Secretary Clinton, most of them what I would consider personal attacks. I suggested when calling on Democrats, and that is the list he had with him, he should sell the differences between the two without being nasty. I told him I had not made up my mind, but being that negative towards another Democratic candidate would not make me more likely to vote for his candidate. He said out loud that he didn't consider himself a Democrat but rather an Independent. I told him that it was admirable that he had gotten behind a candidate in my party. I gave him a bottle of water and a homemade cookie. He stammered a little and walked off talking to himself.

Senator Sanders does not strike me as the kind of person who would sanction some of this talk on DU, or from his supporters who are canvassing. We have two very strong candidates, for that we should feel blessed.

I have been on a few juries that bothered me. It seems like both sides are hitting the report button really fast these days. Let the debates take their course, should it be more civil, absolutely, but if it doesn't trust the voters to decide if they can vote for a candidate with supporters like that, don't report on them.

[Saviolo]

46. Everyone on both sides who say

"I will not vote Democratic if the other candidate wins the nomination." is fueling the fire.

Everyone on both sides who say "There is no way the other candidate can possibly win." is fueling the fire.

Everyone on both sides who say "The other candidate will never get anything done." (Hillary because of a hostile Congress and Bernie because his ideas are "dreaming&quot is fueling the fire.

Let the primaries work themselves out, take a deep breath and realize that both Democratic options are not just a little, but a -lot- different from the clown car on the GOP side.

Can we stop it with the "Shrillary" and "Bernie Bots?" Just everyone take a deep breath, okay? The noise to content ratio here has become incredible. Let the far right tear themselves apart along social, religious, and economic lines.

[Hekate]

119. It's not "both sides." I don't hear any HRC supporters saying they won't vote for a nominee...

....who happens to not be Hillary. I DO hear HRC supporters trying to be pragmatic and analytical.

[Saviolo]

131. Not really my point.

Both sides have had their own brand of inflammatory language, and both sides need to stop.

Stop calling Clinton a shill.

Stop calling Bernie a racist.

Stop name calling at all! Build your candidate up -without- tearing the opposing candidate down.

Both.
Sides.
Do.
It.

[Lucinda]

141. Who has called Bernie a racist? n/t

[taught_me_patience]

144. Stop the false equivalency bullshit

Please provide a single link of a DUer calling Bernie a racist.

[McKim]

49. Yes, Democrats are Splitting Up

Breaking up is hard to do goes the song. And it is so hard for me that many here are willing to accept Hillary when it means more war and death in the Middle East. How many more must die for American Pride and Corps who want resource control? This makes me very sad. At this point I am too old to move to another country and start over but maybe I will. The heartbreak for me is that there seems to be no moral decisions here. 500,000 deaths in the Middle East and counting! And you want more? I remain civil and heartbroken.

[PeaceNikki]

51. Um... heads up, you are posting within a group that fully supports Sec. Clinton.

This is a 'safe haven'.

[Hekate]

118. This is the HRC Group. Please go away.

[AtheistCrusader]

56. I see you got your talking points loud and clear from Mr. Clinton.

Good job being an echo chamber.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2016/02/16/bill_clinton_says_bernie_sanders_supporters_are_the_left-wing_tea_party_warns_not_to_reward_them.html

[Hekate]

120. This is the HRC Group. Please go away.

[wiggs]

60. Agree. Will vote for Bernie but fine with Hillary if need be. I'm checking in less to DU

because the front page is so vitriolic, hostile, inaccurate, toxic. Will get late breaking news somewhere else for a while.

[Stand and Fight]

66. I think I've commented once on this today, but made the observation a lot in my private life that...

Currently many of the places that I normally go to for news as a refuge from right-wing talking points and to find reasonable discourse have become just as vile as trying to talk to right wingers, watching Fox News, or lurking on Free Republic. As of late, far too much of DU, The Young Turks, Thom Hartman, and Robert Reich have as much bias as any of the right wing people or sites above. The bias, the vitriol against a Democrat is alarming to say the least. Especially so since it involves many of the lies, charges, and innuendos that we've heard over 24 years.

[Trust Buster]

67. I hold Bernie himself responsible for his false promises.

What prompted the timing of Bernie's revolution I ask ? It certainly can not be the polarized political atmosphere in this country. Bernie knows that a revolution needs a wide spectrum of political support to succeed. He also knows that the Right wing base has cheered on the Republicans as they've voted 62 times to repeal a far less government intrusive medical program. I submit that it is Bernie's personal age that was the determining factor in the timing of his revolution and not the requisite receptive political environment in this country.

[Tab]

71. With you 1000%+ except

I just want to hear the words "Democratic President".

I hate that we're dividing the way we are, with factions setting it "Bernie or forget it" or "Hillary or forget it". What the hell do you people want? A Cruz/Rubio/(god forbid)Trump administration?

Let's agree to advocate for the candidate we want - as we should - but let's also make a point to back whichever candidate gets the nomination. Either Hillary or Bernie will be a damned sight better than anything the GOP has to offer. This is not the time to get weak-kneed.

[MatthewStLouis]

75. This might be rather sheeple-ish of me,

but I will be voting for the same person Hillary and Bernie pull the lever for in November!

[obamanut2012]

135. Great answer!

[Coolest Ranger]

76. Where are the hosts?

Some of these posters are getting out of control

[ismnotwasm]

85. I don't get what they are trying to do exactly

I wish they would speak up, I am terrible at snark exchange, so I try not to do it.

[Iliyah]

98. They know this is HRC board, but they feel entitled

[ismnotwasm]

101. Well it's annoying

But it seems so ridiculous. Ah well.

[AtheistCrusader]

103. It's genuinely not obvious the way these things sometimes appear in the 'trending' box.

It's actually not often a thread here in the HRC group ends up there, so it's easy to assume something is in GD-P. Certainly the same mistake I made.

But I'll be banned for it, so it won't happen again at least, because the post button won't work. Such is life.

[ismnotwasm]

107. That's ok

I was banned from the Sanders group after my one and only post. Rightfully so in retrospect.

[Treant]

104. The beatings will continue

until Sanders' poll numbers improve.

I wish 'em good luck with that!

[Hekate]

121. Yeah, that's the ticket

[RKP5637]

106. "I understand now how the good Germans felt while watching his/her country slide down into the crazy

abyss." I think of that quite often, it's a scary thought, but countries sometimes change drastically. There is so much fighting and hatred in this country it's truly quite concerning. My goal is I want a democrat in the WH in 2016, and I will vote for whomever the nominee is. I just wish DU would stick more to discussing candidates without the vile hatred so many express in various posts. Yours, is a breath of fresh air!

[Hekate]

108. Good post. I have to ask: Why the Hell are hostile people swarming the HRC Group?!

They have no manners, they reek condescension and hostility, they are not winning votes. What is wrong with them?

It is not enough that they've taken over the rest of the Board, is it? No, they've got to go out of their way to trample on anyone who disagrees with them and their tactics, including swarming a group that is laughably called a safe haven.

One person said this is gaming community behavior. Probably so. But there's another way of looking at it as well, and that comes from being well old enough to remember China's Cultural Revolution. That ain't red-baiting, that's a social and psychological observation.

I'm am beyond disgusted that a formerly valuable Democratic site has been allowed to slide into this muck.

JURY: I am posting in the HRC Group in a thread that is being swarmed.

[book_worm]

113. What is really insulting is when they say if you're for HRC you're not a real democrat

coming from probably a group of people who voted for Nader in 2000 who are supporting a candidate who just joined the Democratic party to run for president.

[wysi]

123. I noted in a post yesterday...

... that a lot of people writing this stuff on DU were probably not even born yet when we were supporting Bill and Hillary during the campaign in 1992, and yet they have the nerve to refer to us Hillary supporters as "not real Democrats". Right.

[William769]

116. Kick & highly recommended!

[mcar]

127. I'm having the same experience

[procon]

130. The specter of "The Good German" has popped into my thoughts quite frequently

as I skim over what these fanatical "Tea Party" facsimiles are writing under the guise of pretending to be Good Democrats. Like many others, I will vote for the Democratic nominee, regardless of who it is, and without reservation.

Also as many have already said in many, many threads, DU used to be the means of keeping abreast of the news and current events for many of us. I enjoyed the intelligent, well crafted opinion and debate. I find very little of that on DU these days. Worse, the anti-Democratic themes, the misogyny, racism and the stupefying metastasis of the utter ignorance that now permeates what passes for enlightened discourse, is more like wading into the weeds of some liberal hating Republican forum.

[kentauros]

133. AUTOMATED MESSAGE: Results of your Jury Service

I was juror #1. It seemed to take a while for people to complete this particular jury. Usually, they're done in a few minutes...

AUTOMATED MESSAGE: Results of your Jury Service

On Mon Feb 22, 2016, 05:44 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

For as many years as I have been on this board,
http://www.democraticunderground.com/110752853

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Good German? Comparing Sanders supporters to Nazis is way over-the-top.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Mon Feb 22, 2016, 06:05 PM, and the Jury voted 3-4 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: I see nothing directed toward any candidate. It's a neutrally-worded post. Maybe the alerter is seeing words I can't see?
Juror #2 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Was not familiar with the term "Good German" until now: Hide.
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: "Comparing Sanders supporters to Nazis is way over-the-top." If the alerter stretches any more, he or she is going to need the services of an osteopath.
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: A good German reference where one candidate lost family members in the Holocaust is obscene, even if unintended.
Juror #6 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Comparing Sanders supports to Germans who followed Hitler IS over the top. I would suggest that the poster do his/her homework regarding what Hillary and Bernie have consistently fought for the last 30 years and I do believe that she/he might come to a different conclusion.
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Any country, Germany or Japan, Iran or Chili all experienced their county slide into crazy abyss, US is not exceptional. Think about Trump. We are facing that crazy abyss right now and it can come to us if we are not wise and diligent. What the poster says in his/her post is not over the top while she may be ignorant about US history in relation to the world. Let her learn by engaging her with history lesson she may need.

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

[Loki]

136. So now we are comparing BS supporters to Nazi's?

I've heard it all now. The term "good German" means watching the crazy people following a leader over the cliff because of promises and a hateful ideology that fits into their word view? Sound familiar? Does the name Trump, Rubio, Cruz ever enter your mind, or are you so paranoid that the only thing you think of is Bernie Sanders? I don't think I mentioned Bernie, but it certainly entered your minds. It fits many incidents in the world and I think the term is fairly generic, or at least I thought. My bad, I thought we had actual thinking, educated people on this board.

[kentauros]

138. Ever since "Google is your friend" supplanted actual and knowledgable answers around here,

fewer and fewer DUers rise to the designation of "actual thinking, educated people" and it saddens me. I like the fact that DU does have members that know how to answer a question with useful and professional experience, though those posts are becoming rarer. They've either been driven away, or don't participate due to how vocal minorities react.

I also have to just shut up on certain topics, even when I have useful knowledge, because too many will read it the wrong way, and you'll be forever seen as an industry/corporate shill, no matter what.

[Lucinda]

139. I'm also sad about it. Mostly due to the misinformation some of them keep posting.

I'm a bit of a geek who does my homework, and most of what is said about Hillary - negatively - is pretty easily debunked. Right now, I understand that they are frustrated, and they aren't wrong about the way things SHOULD be, but we live in a representative government. Things just don't move fast, by design, if you don't move the population your way first.

I'm fine if her choices make them want to support someone else, as long as that information isn't misrepresented.

Calling her a warmonger for the IWR vote ignores what she said in front of congress, and also ignores the fact that 2k+ of her constituents had been murdered, and she still was moving cautiously, believing Jr when he told her the inspectors would be sent back in, and that the resolution was a bargaining chip. I'm more and more inclined to believe, that she believed Jr, because he believed it himself, and that the dude had very little say, or knowledge in what was going on all through his administration. I know we all knew better, but I UNDERSTAND why she made the choices she did.

I think the is going to be an excellent POTUS.

[Eko]

142. I like Sanders,

I think the direction he wants to go is fine. I like Clinton, I think the direction she want to go is ok. I don't like a lot of the Sanders supporters here, one told me he was a DINO and would be gone if Sanders lost. Heard that from quite a few of them. Ive been banned from the Sanders group for questioning one of them about saying "She (Clinton) is also fond of the practice of leaving brown kids toys to play with via the fun high tech pinatas known as cluster bombs". You can argue her votes sure but inserting a despicable opinion is too far in my opinion. I think Sanders would make a better president but that Clinton would do ok. Tell them that and I am a troll all of a sudden, not a true Sanders supporter. In many ways it is like the tea party, they use opinions and not facts quite a bit. Any amount of reasoning with quite a few of them just gets worse. I would like Sanders to win but I feel welcome here in the Clinton group for the most part at least. Its kinda depressing. I do think the German reference was a bit over the top though.

[nolabear]

143. I know you, Loki. And I agree, it has gotten truly alarming. But I hope better angels prevail

and vote for Hillary once she's in the primary. Bernie will be the driving force behind that. We'll see if they turn on him then too. I hope not.