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ellisonz

(27,711 posts)
Fri Jan 6, 2012, 05:53 AM Jan 2012

Obama appointments could trigger court test case

The president's use of his power to fill vacancies during a congressional recess sets the stage for a constitutional battle.

By David G. Savage, Washington Bureau
January 5, 2012, 8:23 p.m.
Reporting from Washington—

President Obama's decision to defy Senate Republicans and appoint four top agency officials on his own authority sets the stage for a contentious constitutional battle over the powers of the presidency and the role of Congress.

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he Supreme Court has never ruled on the president's power to go around the Senate and make recess appointments, but legal experts say Obama's bold use of the power is likely to trigger a test case.

Some legal experts said the constitutional dispute was complicated because both sides could be accused of violating the Constitution. Whereas Obama is accused of overstepping his power to make recess appointments, Senate Republicans have refused to fulfill their obligation for "advice and consent" by blocking votes on many of Obama's nominees.

"There is a sort of clean-hands argument here. Those who have so abused the confirmation power are in a poor position to argue that the president has abused the recess appointment power," said University of Virginia law professor Douglas Laycock.

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-obama-powers-20120106,0,2365160.story

GOBAMA! - Bet you haven't seen that one in awhile...

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Obama appointments could trigger court test case (Original Post) ellisonz Jan 2012 OP
The question is if this is a precedent we would appreciate when a Republican wins the Presidency. dkf Jan 2012 #1
If a proforma session can be used at convenience... ellisonz Jan 2012 #2
This message was self-deleted by its author savalez Jan 2012 #3
What's the answer? savalez Jan 2012 #4
We know it goes both ways.. Cha Jan 2012 #6
Obama did a good job with this. boston bean Jan 2012 #5
Good. I hope this is cleared up. treestar Jan 2012 #7
 

dkf

(37,305 posts)
1. The question is if this is a precedent we would appreciate when a Republican wins the Presidency.
Fri Jan 6, 2012, 09:19 AM
Jan 2012

It goes both ways.

ellisonz

(27,711 posts)
2. If a proforma session can be used at convenience...
Fri Jan 6, 2012, 12:36 PM
Jan 2012

...what would the purpose of the recess appointment clause be. It will be interesting and it's worth fighting over.

Response to dkf (Reply #1)

savalez

(3,517 posts)
4. What's the answer?
Fri Jan 6, 2012, 02:08 PM
Jan 2012

Are pro forma sessions with the sole purpose of blocking recess appointments okay? I suppose it was a good idea at one time. Are they okay as a tool to prevent laws that have passed from going into effect? I don't think they should be. Are they okay to obstruct every single appointment a President has made in an effort to gridlock the government? Certainly not. It's McConnell own overuse of this rule that has made this challenge necessary. Hopefully, in the end, there will be no more pro forma sessions, congress will need to stay in session and actually work. This way, blocking recess appointments will still be possible but will only happen with good reason.

Cha

(297,154 posts)
6. We know it goes both ways..
Sun Jan 8, 2012, 12:14 AM
Jan 2012

because Republicons have already done it. Now President Obama is doing it. Good on him.

boston bean

(36,221 posts)
5. Obama did a good job with this.
Fri Jan 6, 2012, 09:21 PM
Jan 2012

hopefully he is really going to take off the gloves and fight these bastids. it will be good for all of us!

treestar

(82,383 posts)
7. Good. I hope this is cleared up.
Sun Jan 8, 2012, 12:26 PM
Jan 2012

Congress should not be allowed to get away with the pro forma sessions. That is putting form over substance. They ought to have to stay in DC if they want to avoid recess appointments. Let them spend Christmas there then, if they want to block an appointment.

They already have their filibuster now used every single time. It is allowing Republicans to get their way by procedural trick.

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