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Thu Nov 8, 2012, 07:05 PM

DU read up. This is what happened in Ohio on election night:

from Mark Crispin Miller and Victoria Collier. Their words are better than mine could ever be.
just read at the link:


Late last night, after Obama took Ohio, Karl Rove was on Fox News, doggedly refusing to concede. He insisted that Ohio was still in play, as Romney was going to win in Hamilton County—where the votes were “counted” on machines made and maintained by Hart InterCivic, a company effectively controlled by Romney’s family. (The same machines were also used in Williams County.)

So it’s not surprising that the GOP’s Lord Voldemort foresaw an “upset victory” in that county. It is surprising that he said it on Fox News, and when the game was obviously lost, so that a sudden Romney “victory” in Ohio would have seemed especially suspicious—even in the eyes of Rove’s old allies on Fox News (or those not in the loop).

To those of us with vivid memories of Election Nights 2000 and 2004, it was a creepy moment—and things got even creepier when Brad Friedman reported that the website of the Ohio SoS had suddenly gone down, which had also happened at that very hour eight years before; and when it had come back on, Kerry, who had been ahead, was now behind. And—horribly—the rest was history.

But that didn’t happen this time, as Rove had obviously lost control—of himself (his recklessness in mouthing off like that was staggering), and, infinitely more important, of his well-oiled, fabulously subsidized election-theft machine. For all his plans, and all the preparations made by Ohio SoS Jon Husted (among others), Rove was clearly overruled on this Election Day, as cooler heads prevailed.

http://markcrispinmiller.com/2012/11/score-one-at-last-for-the-election-integrity-movement/

Thank-you to Bob Fitrakis, mark Crispin Miller, Clint Curtis, and others who went to DC on election day to speak to the press about Ohio voting software, and all citizens who watch our elections! Thank-you to the amazing woman in Florida who filed a lawsuit because they did not count her absentee ballot! Thank-you to the people who stood in line for hours! It is time for everyone at DU to understand election fraud and how it is happening all over our country.

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robinlynne Nov 2012 OP
onlyadream Nov 2012 #1
robinlynne Nov 2012 #3
zentrum Nov 2012 #20
robinlynne Nov 2012 #29
Raksha Nov 2012 #35
leftlibdem420 Nov 2012 #38
RandySF Nov 2012 #2
robinlynne Nov 2012 #4
Baitball Blogger Nov 2012 #10
grannie4peace Nov 2012 #31
rhett o rick Nov 2012 #5
bleever Nov 2012 #6
pamela Nov 2012 #8
Sugarcoated Nov 2012 #16
robinlynne Nov 2012 #9
bleever Nov 2012 #11
robinlynne Nov 2012 #12
Cha Nov 2012 #7
The Wielding Truth Nov 2012 #18
Kurovski Nov 2012 #13
the devil Nov 2012 #14
robinlynne Nov 2012 #15
Marr Nov 2012 #17
bleever Nov 2012 #21
Marr Nov 2012 #24
bleever Nov 2012 #27
Peace Patriot Nov 2012 #36
spirald Nov 2012 #19
Liberal1975 Nov 2012 #22
Liberal1975 Nov 2012 #25
robinlynne Nov 2012 #30
1StrongBlackMan Nov 2012 #23
northoftheborder Nov 2012 #26
Maven Nov 2012 #28
robinlynne Nov 2012 #37
sandyshoes17 Nov 2012 #32
Blue Owl Nov 2012 #33
Coyotl Nov 2012 #34

Response to robinlynne (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 07:15 PM

1. Wow

Wonder how much of a landslide it would be if all the voting software and other voter suppression was on the up and up.

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Response to onlyadream (Reply #1)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 07:18 PM

3. Bush would never have taken office. instead of Alito and Roberts, Gore would have picked the judges.

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Response to robinlynne (Reply #3)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 09:57 PM

20. I think we wouldn't even have had 9/11

...because Gore would have read the National Security memos and responded fully to them, and with continuity from the Clinton years.

Which means no Afghanistan War and for sure no Iraq War. And we would have had an environmental policy. A decent FEMA for Katrina.

The differences are staggering.

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Response to zentrum (Reply #20)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 01:34 AM

29. makes sense.

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Response to zentrum (Reply #20)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 06:36 PM

35. I think you're right on all counts (sigh).

No 9/11, no Afghanistan War, no Iraq War, and a decent FEMA response to Hurricane Katrina. It's impossible to imagine what the world would be like now, but fairly safe to say it would be a lot better than it is now.

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Response to zentrum (Reply #20)

Thu Nov 15, 2012, 04:51 PM

38. Muslims would still be overwhelmingly GOP.

 

No 9/11 means no short term benefit to the GOP in alienating this constituency.

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Response to robinlynne (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 07:17 PM

2. I think what really stopped them

was the fact that Virginia, Nevada and Colorado were moving in Obama's direction and Ohio became moot.

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Response to RandySF (Reply #2)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 07:19 PM

4. You don't think it was the judge watching them? The public speeches in DC about the Ohio software?

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Response to RandySF (Reply #2)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 07:52 PM

10. They're saving that card to play in 2016.

Only, it will be in another county.

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Response to RandySF (Reply #2)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 04:42 AM

31. Vote rigging

RandySF, how deeply do you think Virginia was involved in this scam? Thank God they didn't succeed!

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Response to robinlynne (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 07:25 PM

5. Our own Time for Change (Dale Tavris) wrote a book on this subject.

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Response to robinlynne (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 07:31 PM

6. I surmised the very same thing yesterday:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=234451 From that post:

I have a strong feeling that Rove was waiting for something to kick in in Ohio, and was caught way off-guard when it didn't happen, hence his weird behavior on Fox last night.

Unlike 2004 though, when he pulled the lever nothing happened. Just my theory.



"I said 'Rutabaga'. Rutabaga! Hello? Hello?!?"

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Response to bleever (Reply #6)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 07:43 PM

8. I think they stole 3% of the vote in Ohio.

They were afraid to steal more and thought that would be enough but it wasn't. Sucks to be them.

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Response to pamela (Reply #8)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 09:30 PM

16. I was puzzled why Ohio was the only state that didn't match the polling.

The polls were 3, 4, even as much as 6 pts ahead for the President all week, and he only wins by 2% points?

All the other swing state polls were either right on the money or under-estimated Obama's lead. Ohio, I think, was the only state that Obama under-performed all the legit polls. It really looks probable, given Rove's bizarre behavior on election night,
that he had some dirty tricks cooking. How very sweet that, in the end, President Obama didn't need Ohio or Florida to win.

I love it when lying bullies get theirs

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Response to bleever (Reply #6)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 07:44 PM

9. Thanks. nice thread. I missed that one!

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Response to robinlynne (Reply #9)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 08:11 PM

11. Here's to the great folks of the Election Reform group.

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Response to bleever (Reply #11)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 08:25 PM

12. yes!!!!

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Response to robinlynne (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 07:37 PM

7. Glad I wasn't watching all that on fox or any station for that matter..

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I lost my taste for corpmediia "news" after the 2000 Coup. I would have freaking Freaked Out!

Thanks for the article by Mark Cripin Miller, robinlynne. May there be no more stolen elections..and I want to thank Bob Fitrakis, Mark, Clint Curtis, and all those who went to D.C. on Election Day.

Of course, Thanks Again to all our People who stood in Lines for Hours!



And, to the Obama Team who had "2500 Lawyers' at the Ready to help out where needed!

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Response to Cha (Reply #7)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 09:51 PM

18. These are great Americans! This is what democracy looks like. It should not however be this hard

to vote. It is poor planning or intentional voter suppression.

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Response to robinlynne (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 08:39 PM

13. Election fraud is real, and comes in a number of forms

and America got an education in it this year.

Never let the bastards get you down.

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Response to robinlynne (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 09:10 PM

14. Please, please, please...

Please don't insult Lord Voldemort by comparing him to Karl Rove. It's not fair to he who must not be named to be compared to someone so evil...

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Response to the devil (Reply #14)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 09:22 PM

15. lol. Someone posted today that Rove was part of watergate. I didn't realize.

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Response to robinlynne (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 09:47 PM

17. This is pure speculation.

It's perfectly believable-- but speculation nonetheless.

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Response to Marr (Reply #17)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 10:00 PM

21. Pure speculation would be a total absence of supporting evidence, but

Mike Connell, GovTech, the 2004 Warren Country "homeland security emergency", and the progress of the King Lincoln Bronzeville v. Blackwell case (among so much more) makes it much more than that.

I'm not saying there is absolute concrete proof, but there's enough elephant dung around to make a pachyderm search quite a reasonable undertaking.

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Response to bleever (Reply #21)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 10:11 PM

24. Oh, I'd be all for an investigation, don't get me wrong.

Official or unofficial. It's pretty funny how most Americans can accept (and even support!) the idea of our government rigging elections in places like Nicaragua or Venezuela, but think that sort of thing would be rejected out of hand as immoral inside of our own borders.

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Response to Marr (Reply #24)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 10:35 PM

27. Great point.

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Response to Marr (Reply #24)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 01:11 PM

36. The U.S. CAN'T rig Venezuela's elections. Guess why?

Though Venezuela uses electronic voting, it is OPEN SOURCE CODE programming--code that belongs to the PUBLIC and that anyone may review--and they do a whopping 55% audit (comparison of ballots to electronic totals)--more than five times the amount necessary to detect fraud in an electronic system.

Jimmy Carter recently said that Venezuela has the "best election system in the world."

Compare it to ours: ALL voting machines in the U.S. are run on 'TRADE SECRET' code--code that belongs to PRIVATE corporations, and the the public is FORBIDDEN to review. Half the states do NO AUDIT AT ALL (e-voting, no back up ballot) and the other half do only a miserably inadequate 1% audit.

This is WHY Venezuelans now have universal free medical care and "we" are still arguing about whether poor people should be kicked off the island--allowed to die in the gutter of illness and old age.

Anyway--though the election system here is even worse than I've described above (for instance, something like 70% of U.S. voting machines are controlled by ONE, private, FAR RIGHTWING-CONNECTED corporation (ES&S, which bought out Diebold), not to mention Citizens United and all the rest)--I just wanted to point out that the highly successful leftist democracy movement, of which Venezuela was a pioneer, is based on concrete, fundamental democratic principles and systems, beginning with HONEST, TRANSPARENT vote counting.

And we need to learn from this. They have horrible RW/corporate media, too--in some cases worse than ours--but have been able to elect strong leftist leaders in Brazil, Argentina, Bolivia, Ecuador, Uruguay, Nicaragua and other countries, in addition to Venezuela. How? Honest, transparent vote counting and the other critical component, grass roots organization.

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Response to robinlynne (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 09:55 PM

19. "Where's the kaboom?"

"There was supposed to be an earth-shattering kaboom!"

Rove did seem a little too sure that the "math" would be revealing itself imminently.

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Response to robinlynne (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 10:00 PM

22. Florida too...

If I were a conspiracy theorist (undecided on that) I would guess they thought they could clusterfuck the vote in Florida ala
2000, steal Ohio, and win CO or NH and VA straight up. When they lost VA and NH stealing Ohio became more dangerous to attempt than beneficial. The risk reward ratio wasn't worth it. Rove is not a moron like everybody is saying now he is an evil genius you can't blame him for not being able to polish a turd (you cant even blame him for trying, I'm sure he got paid) And of course the turn out and the change in the demographic of the electorate just made the math too out of reach to steal without suspicion. If they run a candidate that can pull 40 percent of the Latino vote like Bush did I think the math is there to steal another one. That's why campaign finance reform and voting law reforms are still crucial to us, in my opinion.

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Response to Liberal1975 (Reply #22)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 10:18 PM

25. And of course...

How could I forget to mention, it's hard to close the gender gap when your party is being forced to clarify its position on rape. But I think all this "Rove is dead" the "Republican Party is dead" talk is dangerous. Don't ever underestimate their ability to bounce back, or our ability to throw a shitty candidate (Kerry anyone?) I'm not calling them dead until I can stand over their grave and make sure of it. Not wise to get complacent.

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Response to Liberal1975 (Reply #22)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 01:38 AM

30. agreed. 100% . Elections, as they are now in this country , are not verifiable.

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Response to robinlynne (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 10:01 PM

23. I didn't remember ...

the SoS website going down in 2004, and the fix made then. But, I'm kind of glad that they didn't/decided not to play that play again. How stupid do they think the populace is?

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Response to robinlynne (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 10:28 PM

26. This gives me chills. The rottenness is astounding.

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Response to robinlynne (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 11:19 PM

28. Sorry, Mark, the press coverage didn't stop them. You better believe they tried to steal Ohio.

Just not by enough.

I think the President's margin there was actually more like 5%, not the 2-and-change % he officially won by.

We need to DUMP THESE MACHINES before the next election. We cannot be lulled into thinking the problem has been magically erased. IT HASN'T.

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Response to Maven (Reply #28)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 09:11 PM

37. press ocverage? You mean the federal judges?

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Response to robinlynne (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 11:35 AM

32. Thank you to all who got out in front if this

I actually think it started in PA. He needed PA, OH and Fl . Vote flipping on machines was caught in PA, it went viral and some might of chickened out there, or the overwhelming turnout made it useless. That was the beginning, the calling of PA for Obama was the start of this whole unraveling.
Their plan: flipping voting machines in PA, hacking in OH and their usually tampering in FL.
I don't know if it was large turnout or people lost their nerve. But I do believe this was their plan.

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Response to robinlynne (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 06:21 PM

33. Fuck You Karl Rove

n/t

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Response to robinlynne (Original post)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 05:07 PM

34. People are reading too much of the improbable into Karl Rove's role in politics

And Karl Rove revealed his own insignificance, frankly, live of Fox at that!
Occam's razor works a lot like statistics--just ask Nate Silver about probabilities....
His big bags of cash got him patrons nothing, he got his 10% or so no doubt.
He's laughing at how easy the money flowed in, which is what really drives this.

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