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TexasTowelie

(112,134 posts)
Sun Apr 26, 2015, 12:28 AM Apr 2015

Could Britain vote to quit the EU and the US?

PARIS — The British general election early next month may prove as significant for Europe, and even for the United States, as for Britain itself. The British electorate must make an unprecedented choice among Conservatives, Labour, Liberal Democrats, Scottish Nationalists, UK Independents (or UKIP, who want to quit Europe) and Greens, to name only the parties likely to have any influence on the outcome.

This dazzling array of political choice, to voters collectively accustomed for nearly a century only to Tories, Liberals, Labour and an unelectable left, offers a conundrum to those who would forecast the outcome this year. As of this writing, the Conservatives and Labour are so closely matched in voter opinion as to make virtually no difference. Either, winning by the minuscule margins suggested today, is almost certain to need a coalition partner to construct a government. The candidates for that role are the Liberal Democrats, who shared rule with the Conservatives in the present outgoing government, but who have always harbored leftist sympathies and would shock few if they joined a new government with Ed Miliband’s reformed Labour Party.

However what British commentators find more intriguing is the possibility that the Scottish Nationalists, newly led by Nicola Sturgeon, could come in third (or even second, but without a result large enough to make them the official opposition). It nonetheless is now the third largest party in Britain, with 110,000 signed-up members, and would therefore have a powerful claim to a coalition position, and be strong enough to impose its mark on new government’s policies. Scotland in that case might have lost its bid for independence last year, but would have irresistible influence in a coalition government of Britain.

Then we have UKIP, the withdraw-from-the-EU party. Or one could say, one of the two anti-European parties in Britain if we count the Conservative Party according to where its heart really wants to be. Business, the City of London, and pressure from the United States keeps the Tory Party from bolting from its orthodox establishment position. Its members generally hate the EU, but its leaders accept the pragmatic arguments that the British manufacturing economy needs Europe and British high finance would be unlikely to hold its position as the world’s most important competitor of Wall Street without EU membership. Finally, what is Britain’s role if it ceases to be Washington’s entry into Europe and agent of influence in Brussels?

Read more: http://www.williampfaff.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=726

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Could Britain vote to quit the EU and the US? (Original Post) TexasTowelie Apr 2015 OP
it's weirdly good to know qazplm Apr 2015 #1
I'm sure I've read this one before T_i_B Apr 2015 #2

qazplm

(3,626 posts)
1. it's weirdly good to know
Sun Apr 26, 2015, 11:27 AM
Apr 2015

that we aren't the only country that thinks we won WWII all by ourselves.

"even though his own country had won the Second World War in Europe."

I'm sure the Russians do as well. Truth is it took all three to beat the Nazis.

T_i_B

(14,737 posts)
2. I'm sure I've read this one before
Mon Apr 27, 2015, 07:20 AM
Apr 2015

Last edited Mon Apr 27, 2015, 07:59 AM - Edit history (1)

All the same, thanks for posting it here.

I disagree about this election having a "dazzling array of political choice to voters". The choice varies from constituency to constituency, but it's a familiar list and most of the minor parties have been around for a while. What we do have is a greater array of possible outcomes.

And the likes of UKIP might be virulently opposed to Europe, but not the US. In fact many on the right wing like to talk up the idea of Britain joining NAFTA, which would be a very poor alternative to the European single market.

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