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midnight

(26,624 posts)
Sun Aug 11, 2013, 09:55 AM Aug 2013

“They told me public safety matters more than free speech and that the First Amendment has evolved

to a point that it doesn’t matter anymore.”

http://progressive.org/walker-cops-arrest-16-year-old-political-philosopher




I wonder why our judges, courts, elected officials don't care about this abuse? I wonder why this abuse has been allowed to go on for over two years? I wonder public safety erodes speech but not fire arms?

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“They told me public safety matters more than free speech and that the First Amendment has evolved (Original Post) midnight Aug 2013 OP
When The President Desecrates The 4th Amendment Daily - Can We Expect Anything Less From The States cantbeserious Aug 2013 #1
I'm not a lawyer and my head spins when it comes to interpretation of who gets to actually get the midnight Aug 2013 #16
I am sure that if it were looked into deep enough randr Aug 2013 #2
The first corporation that pops into my mind is Walmart.... midnight Aug 2013 #17
emperor palpatine and his goon squads are so far beyond insane there are almost no words niyad Aug 2013 #3
I have not heard this reference emperor Palpatine before? So looked up this description.... midnight Aug 2013 #18
Give them time. A Simple Game Aug 2013 #4
Yep... awoke_in_2003 Aug 2013 #6
Nope zeemike Aug 2013 #8
yes--one of the things that right-libertarian rhetoric/logic can't process MisterP Aug 2013 #13
The ones collecting the guns... awoke_in_2003 Aug 2013 #14
yes--my sister's husband (don't call him my brother) is quite sure that Obama "did" Sandy Hook MisterP Aug 2013 #15
I agree.... Divide and conquer via fear... midnight Aug 2013 #19
First amendment has been dead for a while... awoke_in_2003 Aug 2013 #5
Unless you consider Citizen's United... Then the first amendment is alive and well... midnight Aug 2013 #20
Maybe corrupted would have... awoke_in_2003 Aug 2013 #21
No need to wonder...the answer is simple. zeemike Aug 2013 #7
Public safety is NOT the goal. lark Aug 2013 #9
It's always because they're getting $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$. nt valerief Aug 2013 #10
The Assault and Destruction of the Constitution is by Plan AZ Progressive Aug 2013 #11
Strict Construction DallasNE Aug 2013 #12
This was actually explained quite well .... Scuba Aug 2013 #22
This person obviously was a witness to Tommy Thompson's message. Anyone who can find it please post. midnight Aug 2013 #24
Great thread!!! K&R!! hue Aug 2013 #23

midnight

(26,624 posts)
16. I'm not a lawyer and my head spins when it comes to interpretation of who gets to actually get the
Sun Aug 11, 2013, 04:49 PM
Aug 2013

fourth amendment up held for them.... I read last week that some of our powerful have license plates that shield them from police,camera scans.. etc... So the fact that some have rights and others do not get raised via the police lawsuit against Walker who allows some police to have unions and other can not... I can't wait to see how this is interpreted....

randr

(12,408 posts)
2. I am sure that if it were looked into deep enough
Sun Aug 11, 2013, 10:56 AM
Aug 2013

Last edited Sun Aug 11, 2013, 10:28 PM - Edit history (1)

one could find a situation where a corporation is hiding behind "free speech" while killing far more people than the attack on 9/11.

midnight

(26,624 posts)
17. The first corporation that pops into my mind is Walmart....
Sun Aug 11, 2013, 05:03 PM
Aug 2013

Wal-Mart has used its legal muscle countless times to appeal local zoning decisions to the county courts, to the appeals courts, and beyond. The corporation has more lawsuits than men's suits. In North Tonawanda, Wal-Mart's hounding of local residents for legal fees, membership lists and donor lists, is just another attempt by a 1 percent corporation to chill public participation and to narrow the First Amendment freedoms not just of Cathy Kern -- but of citizen activists everywhere across America.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/al-norman/north-tonawanda-walmart_b_1426877.html

midnight

(26,624 posts)
18. I have not heard this reference emperor Palpatine before? So looked up this description....
Sun Aug 11, 2013, 05:09 PM
Aug 2013

Palpatine was the last chancellor of the Old Republic, and the mastermind behind the biggest power-grab in galactic history. Practicing forbidden Sith techniques under his alternate identity of Darth Sidious, Palpatine arranged for his public persona to deflect suspicion while receiving praise and political respect. In time he moved from a senator representing Naboo to the Republic's Supreme Chancellor, and used the power of his office to launch the Clone Wars. With Order 66 bringing about the end of the Jedi Order, Palpatine declared himself Emperor. This marked an end to his "kindly old man" charade with which he had fooled even the wisest members of the Jedi Council.

http://starwars.com/explore/encyclopedia/characters/palpatine/


So I'm assuming you are referring to Walker...

A Simple Game

(9,214 posts)
4. Give them time.
Sun Aug 11, 2013, 11:13 AM
Aug 2013
I wonder public safety erodes speech but not fire arms?
It's because they are going after the more potent weapon first.

MisterP

(23,730 posts)
13. yes--one of the things that right-libertarian rhetoric/logic can't process
Sun Aug 11, 2013, 02:20 PM
Aug 2013

is that during all these crackdowns since the late 90s, guns have just gotten freer and freer--it's almost like they're NOT afraid of an armed society: that in fact it polices itself, that the same people using "they'll-kick-down-yer-white-family's-door" paranoia are the ones concocting and passing the ability to kill any American anywhere

 

awoke_in_2003

(34,582 posts)
14. The ones collecting the guns...
Sun Aug 11, 2013, 02:23 PM
Aug 2013

are the "love it or leave it crowd". Couple this with their limited thinking ability and you have no threat to those in power.

MisterP

(23,730 posts)
15. yes--my sister's husband (don't call him my brother) is quite sure that Obama "did" Sandy Hook
Sun Aug 11, 2013, 02:26 PM
Aug 2013

presumably so he could fart around and fail to do any exec acts or get a bill passed that 90% of Americans wanted, including the non-Nazi NRA members

 

awoke_in_2003

(34,582 posts)
5. First amendment has been dead for a while...
Sun Aug 11, 2013, 11:48 AM
Aug 2013

if you have to get a permit to protest it is no longer a right- it is a privilege

midnight

(26,624 posts)
20. Unless you consider Citizen's United... Then the first amendment is alive and well...
Sun Aug 11, 2013, 05:38 PM
Aug 2013

In January 2011, the Supreme Court rewrote the First Amendment to say that Congress can't restrict corporate spending to influence elections. But corporations don't deserve the same rights as people, and the financial influence of companies in our elections must be limited.




http://salsa.democracyinaction.org/o/632/p/dia/action/public/?action_KEY=1883

zeemike

(18,998 posts)
7. No need to wonder...the answer is simple.
Sun Aug 11, 2013, 11:55 AM
Aug 2013

Money...



Money, get away
Get a good job with more pay
And your O.K.

Money, it's a gas
Grab that cash with both hands
And make a stash

New car, caviar, four star daydream
Think I'll buy me a football team

Money get back
I'm all right Jack
Keep your hands off my stack

Money, it's a hit
Don't give me that
Do goody good bullshit

I'm in the hi-fidelity
First class traveling set
And I think I need a Lear jet

(Sax and guitar solos)

Money, it's a crime
Share it fairly
But don't take a slice of my pie

Money, so they say
Is the root of all evil
Today

But if you ask for a rise
It's no surprise that they're
Giving none away
Away
Away
Away
Away...

lark

(23,003 posts)
9. Public safety is NOT the goal.
Sun Aug 11, 2013, 12:37 PM
Aug 2013

If it was our gun laws would be way different. No, this is about getting dirt so they can prosecute anyone who they think might be a danger to the 1% - thus their response to Occupy and Elliot Spitzer.

AZ Progressive

(3,411 posts)
11. The Assault and Destruction of the Constitution is by Plan
Sun Aug 11, 2013, 12:43 PM
Aug 2013

After all, the constitution as well as a fair democracy has been the only thing between the wealthy ruling class and having total control of the government and thus the people.

If you want your rights in this country, you'll have to fight for them.

DallasNE

(7,392 posts)
12. Strict Construction
Sun Aug 11, 2013, 12:59 PM
Aug 2013

For the last 40 years the constant theme of Republicans on judgeships is that they must be strict constructionists. We all knew that was bull and this "evolved" reasoning is clear proof that it was never any more than just a talking point. There is also a new breed of policeman that is borderline sadistic so plenty of things are broken and in need of fixing. But let's face it, the rule of law is not about to return any time soon -- not as long as we have the corrupting influence of Citizens United hanging over our head.

 

Scuba

(53,475 posts)
22. This was actually explained quite well ....
Sun Aug 11, 2013, 08:06 PM
Aug 2013

The Isthmus ran an article about the singers being arrested in the Capitol, and someone who goes by Bill Dunn asked "Why did this never happen in Wisconsin's 165 years of history until Scott Walker became governor?"


Here's the best response ...

http://www.thedailypage.com/daily/article.php?article=40587

From Diane Ayers on 08/06/13 at 6:44 pm
Re Bill Dunn post, your question: "Why did this never happen in Wisconsin's 165 years of history until Scott Walker became governor?"

Because, Bill, this is the first time in Wisconsin history that the core of state government has been illegitmately seized by corporate-owned political fascists, who do not hesitate to suspend civil liberties and distort or defy the constitutional rights guaranteed to this state's citizens.

Their prime directive is to discredit, divide and destroy all those agencies, civic organizations, labor unions,. . even community groups of individual citizens seeking to communicate their views and concerns.

Their goal? The permanent destruction of democracy in Wisconsin - and eventually throughout the U.S. - replacing it with an institutionalized oligarchy that maintains its control by doing away with public education, worker rights, voting rights, etc, -- creating a powerless underclass that will work to serve and fear to challenge their corporate masters -now and for generations to come.

midnight

(26,624 posts)
24. This person obviously was a witness to Tommy Thompson's message. Anyone who can find it please post.
Mon Aug 12, 2013, 11:33 AM
Aug 2013

Tommy Thompson's words were a bit different than these but it was the same message.... He made it clear that anyone who signed the recall would be made black and blue....


"Their prime directive is to discredit, divide and destroy all those agencies, civic organizations, labor unions,. . even community groups of individual citizens seeking to communicate their views and concerns."


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