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Sat Aug 18, 2012, 12:04 PM

Do you want Fluoride in your water?

I vote NO. I can't believe Mayor Sam is actually going along with this

http://www.safewateroregon.org/fluoridation.html

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Reply Do you want Fluoride in your water? (Original post)
Viva_La_Revolution Aug 2012 OP
Guy Montag Aug 2012 #1
On the Road Aug 2012 #4
dballance Aug 2012 #2
Gidney N Cloyd Aug 2012 #3
mike_c Aug 2012 #5
Chef Eric Aug 2012 #6
HuckleB Apr 2013 #15
Viva_La_Revolution Aug 2012 #7
JayhawkSD Aug 2012 #9
Viva_La_Revolution Aug 2012 #10
HuckleB Apr 2013 #16
JayhawkSD Aug 2012 #8
Viva_La_Revolution Aug 2012 #11
sense Aug 2012 #12
LWolf Aug 2012 #13
HuckleB Apr 2013 #14
LWolf Apr 2013 #17

Response to Viva_La_Revolution (Original post)

Sat Aug 18, 2012, 12:13 PM

1. Fluoride is poison and never ever should of been used for this purpous

Of course I am against it's use this way.

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Response to Guy Montag (Reply #1)

Sat Aug 18, 2012, 12:40 PM

4. Well, Iodine is Toxic Too,

so you might want to avoid table salt. I thought this issue was settled in the 50s, if not since then:

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Response to Viva_La_Revolution (Original post)

Sat Aug 18, 2012, 12:20 PM

2. Nope not at. I was also surprised the mayor was onboard /eom

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Response to Viva_La_Revolution (Original post)

Sat Aug 18, 2012, 12:23 PM

3. First I want to see a commie drink a glass of it.

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Response to Viva_La_Revolution (Original post)

Sat Aug 18, 2012, 01:10 PM

5. I've drank fluoridated water much of my life...

...and am fit and healthy, with good teeth. Damn right I support fluoridating water. My daughter, who has drank fluoridated water pretty much ALL her life is in her thirties and has GREAT teeth.

Kids in my generation used to have all kinds of dental problems, but when I talk with dentists today they say that's improved greatly since the advent of fluoridation. Why would anyone oppose good dental health for children?

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Response to mike_c (Reply #5)

Sat Aug 18, 2012, 01:35 PM

6. Dental health is only part of the picture.

Fluoride interferes with thyroid function.

It's a matter of balance, and some doctors say that the disadvantages of fluoride outweigh the advantages.

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Response to Chef Eric (Reply #6)

Fri Apr 5, 2013, 11:44 PM

15. Only according to quacks trying to sell worthless supplements.

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Response to mike_c (Reply #5)

Sat Aug 18, 2012, 01:54 PM

7. yes, it's great for the teeth

which can be handled via topical treatments. INGESTING it is a whole nother ball game, imho.

Tooth decay in children correlates more closely with poverty rates than with fluoridated water. It's lack of affordable dental care and education. I still see so many babies and little kids drinking soda and kool-aid instead of water.

Fluoride accumulates in the kidneys, and at higher rates in children than adults.

As an adult with Hypothyroidism I've stopped drinking tea (7 times more fluoride than fluoridated water) and I drink filtered tap water, 4-5 big glasses a day. How am I going to avoid it now?

from the link above..
In March of 2006, the National Research Council (NRC) of the National Academy of Sciences published a groundbreaking report confirming that chronic, low-level fluoride exposure can cause a variety of serious health conditions, including bone fracture, joint pain, and disruption of the nervous and endocrine systems, including the brain, thyroid and pineal glands (NRC Report, 2006). The NRC Panel unanimously agreed that the current Maximum Contaminant Level Goal (MCLG) for fluoride (4 ppm) is too high and does not adequately protect against adverse health effects.

This finding is significant because it narrows the margin of safety between the current MCLG of 4 ppm and the recommended 1 ppm which is added to fluoridate drinking water. Several members of the NRC Panel also concluded there is no safe fluoride exposure level for those in our society who are most vulnerable to its deleterious effects, namely infants and children, the elderly, diabetics, high volume water consumers and individuals with decreased kidney and thyroid function.


and as an side-note, I think this is the first time you and I have disagreed in a science thread

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Response to Viva_La_Revolution (Reply #7)

Sun Aug 19, 2012, 10:32 AM

9. Topical application of fluoride is not good for the teeth.

It applies fluoride in too great concentration, which makes the enamel brittle and subject to fracturing. The effect doesn't show up for years, but has been clearly established. When my family moved from an area which was fluoridated to one which was not my parents had the topical application done on my teeth. I have had four molars shatter when I was in my late 50's and 60's, all four of which were cavity-free. My dentist was mystified until he asked if I'd had topical fluoride application and I told him I had. He said that explained the breakage of my teeth and said that is why he favors its inclusion in drinking water.

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Response to JayhawkSD (Reply #9)

Sun Aug 19, 2012, 11:03 AM

10. they used to not know that, now they use a 2% solution, no stronger

we also know now that INGESTING it causes other problems that don't show up for years. Children should use no more than a pea size, and make sure they don't swallow (that's the warning on the toothpaste tube in your cabinet). Most people drink one or two glasses of water a day, I drink up to 5 big glasses. Shall I just continue no matter what it's doing to my already failing thyroid? I won't have a choice, will I? 97% of Europe no longer fluoridates their water on the grounds that it mandates compulsory medication.


Trading one bad solution for another bad solution is no solution at all.

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Response to mike_c (Reply #5)

Fri Apr 5, 2013, 11:45 PM

16. EXACTLY!!!!!!!

The question is how can so many Democrats who see the problems with the anti-science nonsense pushed by the right in relation to global warming forget so quickly and fall into believing bizarre conspiracies.

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Response to Viva_La_Revolution (Original post)

Sun Aug 19, 2012, 10:24 AM

8. Flouride is a Communist plot to corrupt our precious bodily fluids.

I saw that in a movie once, so I know that it's true.

The public water supply has been fouridated in 80% of the country for mre than 75 years, and no ill effect has ever been demonstrated. None. Nada. Zilch. Three generations of Americans have been drinking flouridated water without ill effect. People who oppose it are modern day Luddites. Get real.

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Response to JayhawkSD (Reply #8)

Sun Aug 19, 2012, 11:48 AM

11. actually less than 70% of the US, 5.7% of the world population

I suggest you read up on the recent scientific studies

A Bibliography of Scientific Literature on Fluoride
http://www.slweb.org/bibliography.html

for the shortcut version
http://www.slweb.org/limeback.html
Why I am now officially opposed to adding fluoride to drinking water
Dr. Hardy Limeback, BSc, PhD, DDS
Associate Professor and Head, Preventive Dentistry

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Response to Viva_La_Revolution (Reply #11)

Sun Aug 19, 2012, 03:49 PM

12. Absolutely correct

It's really staggering the bad advice we've been given, not so that our health can be improved, but so that corporations can profit. Ingesting fluoride is only the tip of the iceberg in terms of the decline in our health over the past 40 years or so. So much of the health and nutrition "advice" we've been given has been instigated by corporations and politicians, not scientists.

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Response to Viva_La_Revolution (Original post)

Sun Aug 19, 2012, 07:53 PM

13. No. nt

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Response to Viva_La_Revolution (Original post)

Fri Apr 5, 2013, 11:43 PM

14. Yes, I do.

The ad hominem attacks, pseudoscience and logical fallacies that pervade the anti-fluoride arguments ought to make it very clear that there is no actual scientific debate, only a weird social one.

It's safe. It's effective. It's saves money.

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