Mon Feb 6, 2012, 12:33 AM
roody (7,493 posts)
PG&E customers can opt out of SmartMeters -- for $75, plus $10 a month
By Dana Hull dhull@mercurynews.com
Despite a chorus of complaints by SmartMeter opponents, state regulators voted Wednesday to give PG&E customers the right to opt out of having a SmartMeter and keep their old meters -- for a fee. The decision, which is being closely watched by smart grid advocates and utilities across the country, came after a year of highly organized protests by consumers who oppose SmartMeters, primarily because of alleged health effects. PG&E customers who want to opt out of SmartMeters will be required to pay a one-time $75 fee and a monthly charge of $10. Low-income customers would pay an initial fee of $10 and a monthly charge of $5. ---snip--- http://www.mercurynews.com/breaking-news/ci_19869073
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13 replies, 1590 views
| Author | Time | Post | |
| roody | Feb 2012 | OP | |
| jeff47 | Feb 2012 | #1 | |
| rsmith6621 | Feb 2012 | #2 | |
| Sirveri | Feb 2012 | #4 | |
| jeff47 | Feb 2012 | #6 | |
| Sirveri | Feb 2012 | #8 | |
| msongs | Feb 2012 | #3 | |
| roody | Feb 2012 | #5 | |
| jeff47 | Feb 2012 | #7 | |
| jeff47 | Feb 2012 | #9 | |
| roody | Feb 2012 | #10 | |
| jeff47 | Feb 2012 | #11 | |
| AndyTiedye | Feb 2012 | #12 | |
| demosincebirth | Feb 2012 | #13 |
Response to roody (Original post)
Mon Feb 6, 2012, 01:27 AM
jeff47 (7,356 posts)
1. /sigh. Where do they find people gullible enough to believe radio signals hurt them?
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And can I get in contact with such people to sell them bogus solutions to non-existent problems?
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Response to jeff47 (Reply #1)
Mon Feb 6, 2012, 02:33 AM
rsmith6621 (6,650 posts)
2. There The Same People Who Live in a.....
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...a home with WiFi, carry and talk on a cell phone non stop.....the fee sounds like a nice scam bread in fear. |
Response to jeff47 (Reply #1)
Mon Feb 6, 2012, 04:35 AM
Sirveri (4,242 posts)
4. The issue was that they weren't setting the zero points correctly.
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Basically they would install these things, then the next month the residents would get a bill for 30k or some other insane amount. So as a result a lot of people think they're broken.
Then there's the other issue that they're only installing these to toss people out of their jobs. |
Response to Sirveri (Reply #4)
Mon Feb 6, 2012, 09:37 AM
jeff47 (7,356 posts)
6. Because meters read manually are always 100% accurate?
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According to the article, the objection is over the radio link between the meter and the utility.
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Response to jeff47 (Reply #6)
Mon Feb 6, 2012, 09:51 AM
Sirveri (4,242 posts)
8. yeah, those people are a bit paranoid.
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But there are legit reasons in addition to the silly ones.
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Response to roody (Original post)
Mon Feb 6, 2012, 02:39 AM
msongs (30,473 posts)
3. PGE effing everyone over as usual. corporate scam for their own profits at no value to customers nt
Response to roody (Original post)
Mon Feb 6, 2012, 09:32 AM
roody (7,493 posts)
5. Who is making money off of this?
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I buy 10 dollars worth of natural gas per month from PGE and they plan to force me to have a 'smart' meter. Who is getting richer? Who is getting laid off?
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Response to roody (Reply #5)
Mon Feb 6, 2012, 09:38 AM
jeff47 (7,356 posts)
7. Meter readers are getting laid off.
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The point of smart meters is to not have to have someone come by and read the meter.
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Response to jeff47 (Reply #7)
Mon Feb 6, 2012, 08:45 PM
jeff47 (7,356 posts)
9. Just to add to that post...
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There's lots of benefits to smart meters too.
Those meter readers were burning a lot of gas, and driving a lot of miles. Not doing that is a good thing for the environment. Older meters can't run backwards, so solar/wind installations generally required a new meter. Not a huge cost increase when you factor in the cost of buying the panels/turbine, but every bit helps. Smart meters enable smarter use of power. If you opt-in, and the power company has the infrastructure, they can do things like turn off your A/C if there's a spike in power demand. Thus reducing CO2 from power plants - the power company doesn't need to have as many plants already up and spinning to absorb the spike. |
Response to jeff47 (Reply #9)
Mon Feb 6, 2012, 09:05 PM
roody (7,493 posts)
10. My electricity comes from my local municipality.
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Last edited Mon Feb 6, 2012, 09:06 PM USA/ET - Edit history (1) All I get is gas to heat water and cook. They could ask customers to read the meter.
Somebody is making a lot of money off of this. |
Response to roody (Reply #10)
Mon Feb 6, 2012, 09:32 PM
jeff47 (7,356 posts)
11. Unless your city owns a power plant, no it doesn't.
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And I'm not aware of many cities that own their own power plant. Sure, there's a municipal utility, but they're selling someone else's power.
Anyway, yes someone makes a lot of money. The power company saves a lot of money. As I said above. Their saving money also has beneficial environmental effects. |
Response to roody (Original post)
Mon Feb 6, 2012, 10:46 PM
AndyTiedye (22,973 posts)
12. Everybody's Electric Bill Went Up by At Least 30% When they Installed Smart Meters Here
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and they stayed up, so it wasn't just "forgetting" to zero the meter.
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Response to roody (Original post)
Fri Feb 10, 2012, 10:19 PM
demosincebirth (8,887 posts)
13. When I got my smart meter installed, my PG&E bill has been lower. People can complain all
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they want about them, but I like mine. My old one must have been way off.
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