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Wed Nov 7, 2012, 12:01 AM

(California) It's early, but the SoS page is not showing good news for Prop 30

http://vote.sos.ca.gov/returns/ballot-measures/

Hope that turns around, a loss would be serious bad news for the CSU.

Also kind of interesting that voters seem very willing to reform 3-strikes, but eager to keep the death penalty; that seems kind of divergent...

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Reply (California) It's early, but the SoS page is not showing good news for Prop 30 (Original post)
petronius Nov 2012 OP
roody Nov 2012 #1
Merlot Nov 2012 #2
JDPriestly Nov 2012 #4
Merlot Nov 2012 #7
SHRED Nov 2012 #3
petronius Nov 2012 #6
Tumbulu Nov 2012 #5
GiaGiovanni Nov 2012 #8
IndyJones Nov 2012 #9
CreekDog Nov 2012 #13
pinboy3niner Nov 2012 #10
petronius Nov 2012 #11
pinboy3niner Nov 2012 #12
CreekDog Nov 2012 #14

Response to petronius (Original post)

Wed Nov 7, 2012, 12:04 AM

1. It's only 14% partially reported.

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Response to petronius (Original post)

Wed Nov 7, 2012, 12:09 AM

2. You can thank molly munger and her millions for prop32

either prop 30 or 32 has to pass, they can't both pass or there will be a run off. And it looks like the munger prop has dragged down prop 30.

So, the only good take away is that another millionaire spent their money on a ballot initiative which didn't pass.

maybe 30 will pull through but I'd heard it was at about 48%

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Response to Merlot (Reply #2)

Wed Nov 7, 2012, 12:35 AM

4. You are thinking of Prop. 38, I believe.

Prop 30, sponsored by Democratic Gov. Jerry Brown, would raise income taxes by 1 to 3 percent over seven years for those earning $250,000 or couples jointly filing returns for more than $500,000. The plan would raise about $6 billion annually, $2.9 billion of which would go to K-12 schools and community colleges in the first year.

Prop 38 is championed by millionaire civil rights attorney Molly Munger and would increase state income taxes for all Californians over 12 years. Revenue from the program -- at an estimated $10 billion annually for the first years of the program -- would directly go to K-12 schools and early education programs. For the first four years, however, 30 percent of those revenues would pay down state bond debt.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/23/prop-30-and-38-in-califor_n_2006300.html

Molly Munger is a wealthy woman who supposedly wants all Californians to "have skin in the game" including those with children who are surviving thanks to food stamps. Horrors! Never really knew what it is to try to do for your kids on next to nothing and wants to make sure that those who do know that have skin in the game. The Munger folks argue that after all you can deduct the tax from your taxes. Why bother taxing poor people for so little gain to the state and then making the poor claim a deduction for the tax on their tax returns. It is an idiotic waste of paper, state and federal employee time, etc.

http://politic365.com/2012/11/02/competing-california-tax-propositions-vie-for-the-latino-vote/

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Response to JDPriestly (Reply #4)

Wed Nov 7, 2012, 12:55 AM

7. yes, sorry, got the numbers mixed up

although I"m sure munger has sunk A LOT of millions into this thing...

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Response to petronius (Original post)

Wed Nov 7, 2012, 12:16 AM

3. Way too early

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Response to SHRED (Reply #3)

Wed Nov 7, 2012, 12:47 AM

6. I know it's too early, but I'm jealous of those East Coast folks who've been

talking about their local stuff for hours. I wanna talk about it now!!! (Insert foot stomping smiley here.)

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Response to petronius (Original post)

Wed Nov 7, 2012, 12:37 AM

5. or 37.....

better go to sleep, hopefully it will be better in the morning.

At least I don't have to worry about the presidency!

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Response to petronius (Original post)

Wed Nov 7, 2012, 01:19 AM

8. The only one being called is human trafficking (Prop 35)

 

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/california-politics/2012/11/proposition-35-address-human-trafficking.html

The figures are insanely high:

35 Human Trafficking 3,160,463 83.2% YES 638,468 16.8% NO

http://vote.sos.ca.gov/returns/ballot-measures/


Even the absentee ballots couldn't affect this. Remember that lots of California ballots were sent in by mail and it may take several days or more to count them all.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/california-politics/2012/11/mass-mail-in-vote-means-delays-in-the-count.html

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Response to petronius (Original post)

Wed Nov 7, 2012, 01:30 AM

9. 36 and 40 look like they are going to pass. I would be surprised if 30 or 38 pass.

Last edited Wed Nov 7, 2012, 02:15 AM - Edit history (1)

edited: Looks like 30 might very well pass. It is currently "yes".

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Response to IndyJones (Reply #9)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 10:37 PM

13. sorry you voted against Prop. 30

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Response to petronius (Original post)

Wed Nov 7, 2012, 02:30 AM

10. Yes on 30 now leading, Yes 51.3% - No 48.7%

41.1% ( 10,073 of 24,491 ) precincts partially
reporting as of November 6, 2012, 11:20 p.m

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Response to pinboy3niner (Reply #10)

Wed Nov 7, 2012, 02:43 AM

11. Well that looks much nicer, doesn't it?

Still sliding in the correct direction, it seems.

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Response to petronius (Reply #11)

Wed Nov 7, 2012, 04:19 AM

12. Better still: Now Yes on 30 - 53%, No - 47% :)

72.3% ( 17,719 of 24,491 ) precincts partially
reporting as of November 7, 2012, 1:05 a.m.

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Response to pinboy3niner (Reply #12)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 10:38 PM

14. 54.3% to 45.7% now and its lead will grow!

with 3+ million votes to count!

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