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Sat Nov 3, 2012, 11:41 PM

Help! My Ex never received mail in ballot (LA County)

I'm in AZ so I do't know much about California rules. If I have the details straight, according to the Recorder's office the ballot was mailed Oct 8. She never got it and requested a 2nd. That never arrived either. Attempt to talk to anyone at the Recorder's office have been unsuccessful.

She plans on going to her polling location on Tuesday, but I'm guessing that this will have to be a provisional ballot and it's going to be a dicey for getting it counted and a huge hassle for her

Blues for a Blue Ballot.

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Reply Help! My Ex never received mail in ballot (LA County) (Original post)
ThoughtCriminal Nov 2012 OP
underthematrix Nov 2012 #1
ThoughtCriminal Nov 2012 #3
SoapBox Nov 2012 #6
left on green only Nov 2012 #2
ThoughtCriminal Nov 2012 #4
Indykatie Nov 2012 #5
ThoughtCriminal Nov 2012 #7
pinto Nov 2012 #8
WestLosAngelesGal Nov 2012 #9
ThoughtCriminal Nov 2012 #10
WestLosAngelesGal Nov 2012 #11
pinboy3niner Nov 2012 #12

Response to ThoughtCriminal (Original post)

Sat Nov 3, 2012, 11:45 PM

1. Here's the info

she needs https://lavote.net/SECURED/VOTER_REG/ or (800) 815-2666

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Response to underthematrix (Reply #1)

Sat Nov 3, 2012, 11:49 PM

3. Needs to be https

I had already sent that link.

That may at best confirm that she is registered, but not what to do when the ballot never arrives. She has been able to reach anybody by phone.

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Response to ThoughtCriminal (Reply #3)

Sun Nov 4, 2012, 12:39 AM

6. Verify that the registration is valid...

and then get the assigned polling place.

However, I'm assuming that she is not going to be able to get to a polling place?

If she can't get to a polling place (any polling place), then, yikes...I'm not sure what other options there are.

http://www.lavote.net/

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Response to ThoughtCriminal (Original post)

Sat Nov 3, 2012, 11:46 PM

2. I know it is small consolation to say this, but.....

.....we've got her covered in California. Bluer than Blue.

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Response to left on green only (Reply #2)

Sat Nov 3, 2012, 11:51 PM

4. Great, but there's more than just Obama/Romney to worry about.

This one is important to her. The GOP has made it personal.

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Response to ThoughtCriminal (Reply #4)

Sun Nov 4, 2012, 12:02 AM

5. I have the Same Problem In Indiana - Ballot Never Received

I contacted Democratic party office but have not heard back yet. I assume I will be able to cast a provisional ballot on Tuesday. I have never had a problem before this year. With all the shenanigans going on I am a little suspicious about the missing ballot.

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Response to ThoughtCriminal (Original post)

Sun Nov 4, 2012, 12:45 AM

7. OK, found two things while digging

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the page for checking ballot status:
https://lavote.net/SECURED/AV_INQUIRY/

(note: for some reason when posting url at DU the https is changed to http)

And California rules for Provisional Voting:

http://www.sos.ca.gov/elections/elections_provisional.htm

Vote-by-mail voters who appear in person. In this instance, the voter's name is on the polling place roster and the roster notes the voter requested a vote-by-mail ballot. However, the voter states they didn't receive the ballot, lost the ballot, or spoiled the ballot and doesn't have it with them. After the voter casts a provisional ballot, the elections official will check the records to ensure that the voter did not cast their vote-by-mail ballot. If this is the case and the voter's signature on the provisional ballot envelope matches the signature on the voter's registration card, then the voter's provisional ballot will be counted. (Elections Code sections 3016, 14310(f), 15350, 15100 et seq.) If the voter did vote and return their vote-by-mail ballot before the close of polls on Election Day, then the vote-by-mail ballot will be counted and the provisional ballot will not be counted. If the voter did vote and return their vote-by-mail ballot but failed to sign the vote-by-mail ballot envelope, then the voter's provisional ballot will be counted, provided they complied with the instructions associated with the provisional ballot.

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Response to ThoughtCriminal (Reply #7)

Sun Nov 4, 2012, 01:31 AM

8. +1

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Response to ThoughtCriminal (Original post)

Tue Nov 6, 2012, 02:05 PM

9. Here's what happened...

I am ThoughtCriminal's ex. Thanks for posting this, TC.

Here is what happened when I went to the poll today in Los Angeles. I immediately reported that I did not receive either the first or the second mail-in ballot I requested. They said that one was sent on October 8. I said I did not receive it, so I had requested another one online. They did not have a record of that second request.

I was asked for my ID and showed it. I was told I could only vote provisionally, which I understand, under the circumstances. I asked if anyone had used my ballot. Nobody knew how to check that.

Here's where it gets weird and I don't know if this is the proper protocol:

The poll worker made a small mark on the line where I was supposed to sign the roll and then another poll worker walked up and told him I was not supposed to sign there. He scratched out whatever he started to write.

According to the second poll worker, I was not allowed to sign the regular voter roll because there was a "VBN" next to my name, which stands for Vote By Mail. She also put a comment on my request for a provisional ballot under COMMENTS: and she wrote "Absentee" and wrote her initials on it - I said, "I am not an absentee voter. I am right here. This is incorrect." Poll worker 2 said "All provisional ballots for mail-in ballots that were not "surrounded" are absentee. And I asked her to repeat herself and she said the same thing, using the word "surrounded" instead of received. (English was not her first language and some of what she said, she was using the wrong words in English, so I had a hard time following her. She seemed to be a sort of supervisor.)

I printed my name, as per the written instructions on the pink provisional list. I was number 23 on the list and the first poll worker said others had reported that they did not get their ballots and had to also vote provisionally. I was given a ballot in a pink sleeve by a third poll worker who she asked me to return it to her when I was done. I voted and returned to her. She sealed up my provisional ballot in a pink provisional envelope. I asked if I should sign it on the outside and she said no.

I left after that. So I hope my provisional vote for Obama will be counted.

Just to let you know, Roseanne Barr's name was first on the ballot.

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Response to WestLosAngelesGal (Reply #9)

Tue Nov 6, 2012, 03:04 PM

10. Hope it gets counted

But based on the information I found, it seems like they should have had you sign the ballot envelope.

PS:

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Response to ThoughtCriminal (Reply #10)

Tue Nov 6, 2012, 03:38 PM

11. That's what I thought

I tried. I did everything the poll workers told me to do.

I won't be requesting any more mail-in ballots.

p.s. When I said Roseanne Barr was first on the list, I meant she was first on the actual ballot!

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Response to WestLosAngelesGal (Reply #11)

Tue Nov 6, 2012, 07:33 PM

12. CA rotates candidate names on ballots

But I suspect it wouldn't help Barr even if her name were at the top of all the ballots.

The CA Secretary of State website explains it:

On the 82nd day before the election, the Secretary of State conducts a random drawing of letters of the alphabet. The resulting order of letters constitutes the alphabet to be used for determining the order of candidates' names on the upcoming statewide ballot; it applies throughout the name, not just for the first letter so that Adams could precede Aaron.

Names of candidates for offices voted on statewide rotate by Assembly district, starting with Assembly District 1 where the names appear as first determined by the random alphabet. In Assembly District 2, the candidate who appeared first in Assembly District 1 drops to the bottom and the other candidates move up one position and so on throughout the 80 districts. This gives each candidate more than one opportunity to appear at the "top of the ticket" in his/her race.

Congressional candidates rotate within their districts with the lowest numbered Assembly district leading the rotation. State Senate and Assembly candidates follow the random alphabet but do not rotate; however, if a legislative district crosses county lines, the elections officials of each county shall conduct a random drawing to determine candidate order for these offices in their county.

This procedure was established by legislation passed in 1975 in response to court rulings declaring that standard alphabetical order or incumbent-first was unconstitutional since there is a 5% positional bias among undecided voters.

http://www.sos.ca.gov/elections/elections_ra.htm


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