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Thu Oct 25, 2012, 03:37 AM

New poll shows Props 30 and 38 on ballot are falling behind

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Support is slipping for two tax measures just weeks before voters decide the outcomes in the Nov. 6 election, new polling numbers show.

Proposition 30 is the measure backed by Gov. Jerry Brown. It would increase for seven years the tax on annual incomes that exceed $250,000 and raise the state sales tax by a quarter percent for four years. Proposition 38, proposed by millionaire Molly Munger, would increase the income tax for nearly all Californians for 12 years.

But new polling numbers from the Public Policy Institute of California show that voter support for both measures has decreased since September.

According to the numbers, 48 percent of likely voters support Prop. 30, 44 percent would vote no and 8 percent are undecided. In September, a PPIC poll showed support for Prop. 30 at 52 percent.

Prop. 38 has even less support, with 39 percent of likely voters saying they support it. Thatís a 6 percent drop from September.



http://www.sfexaminer.com/local/education/2012/10/new-poll-shows-props-30-and-38-ballot-are-falling-behind#ixzz2AIIg7Ye6

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Reply New poll shows Props 30 and 38 on ballot are falling behind (Original post)
RandySF Oct 2012 OP
xxqqqzme Oct 2012 #1
flamingdem Oct 2012 #2
JayhawkSD Oct 2012 #4
xxqqqzme Oct 2012 #5
Raine Oct 2012 #6
KamaAina Oct 2012 #7
BlueCaliDem Oct 2012 #3
alp227 Oct 2012 #8

Response to RandySF (Original post)

Thu Oct 25, 2012, 03:54 AM

1. We have to Pass Prop 30!

If we do not, our little non-profit after school program will fold. We have 3 centers and operate on less than $500,000 a year. Actually around $485,000. Another cut 20% cut and we will be finished.

If the legislature would do their jobs, this could all be fixed. Norquist and his pledge can bite me. He doesn't live here. He doesn't have to deal w/ the fall out.

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Response to xxqqqzme (Reply #1)

Thu Oct 25, 2012, 04:13 AM

2. +1

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Response to xxqqqzme (Reply #1)

Thu Oct 25, 2012, 10:56 AM

4. I hear you, but...

This is a short term fix to a long term problem. Our budget problems are a bit complex and aare structural. The longer we wait to address them the harder it becomes to do so. Kicking the can down the road does not merely delay fixing the problem, it makes the problem bigger and more intractable.

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Response to JayhawkSD (Reply #4)

Thu Oct 25, 2012, 02:50 PM

5. I could not agree more.

I blame the dumb-ass initiative process. While there is much to be said for the idea, it is over used and abused. If the legislature would actually do their jobs, multiple propositions would not be necessary. A big part of California's revenues woes can be traced to propositions requiring moneys be used for specific purposes. Without revenue generation, we will stay stuck in this rut. It was the main reason I was so disappointed that Brown ran. I have listened to him over the years at the CDP conventions. He has no new ideas. He has no 'spark' left. The CDP, if they weren't dragging their old fart weight around, would be grooming any number of bright, young leaders to promote and run for state offices.

Another huge problem is the the current 'term limits' legislation. It needs to be fixed so we don't have persons, completely un-experienced in government, being elected every 6 years.

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Response to xxqqqzme (Reply #5)

Thu Oct 25, 2012, 06:38 PM

6. Totally agree. I HATE the initiative system they give an out to the legislaters to do

absolutely nothing. I resent that the voters are left to do their dirty work for them while they get out of the responsibility of making decisions.

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Response to xxqqqzme (Reply #5)

Mon Oct 29, 2012, 04:05 PM

7. And then there's the granddaddy of all dumb-ass initiatives, Prop 13

Local governments are basically prohibited from rasing revenue through property taxes, so they've been relying on the state to bail them out. Now that state's tapped out, and it doesn't look like the feds are going to bail it out any time soon.

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Response to RandySF (Original post)

Thu Oct 25, 2012, 06:03 AM

3. We voted YES on Prop 30, and a big fat NO on Prop 38. eom

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Response to RandySF (Original post)

Mon Oct 29, 2012, 11:20 PM

8. Voters aren't really convinced Prop 30 will guarantee funding to schools.

For instance the anti-P30 crowd cites a statement by the CA school boards association that P30 doesn't guarantee new funding. But the CSBA actually did endorse P30. Also there's concern that because P30 goes into the general fund how will voters really know how much money from P30 goes to the schools and public universities and community colleges? The nonpartisan Legislative Analyst Office reports about P30: "These revenues would be used to help fund the stateís 2012-13 budget plan and would be available to help balance the budget over the next seven years." I am a Cal State Univ student and hate to see the funds get cut but as progressive as I am I have my own personal doubts about P30. Sounds to me like Gov. Jerry Brown is stooping to John Boehner/Mitch McConnell levels of holding the people hostage for trigger cuts.

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