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Fri Sep 14, 2012, 05:28 PM

Wouldn't you rather live in this Bay Area?

The original BART plan from 1956.



I'm right near the Fruitdale station near the bottom. I'd be SO much happier if I could get up to SF/Oakland/Berkeley where most of my friends are!

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Response to KamaAina (Original post)

Fri Sep 14, 2012, 05:32 PM

1. Makes a heck of a lot more sense than out current mish mash.

I'm in Los Altos and would have had a stop 4 blocks from me.

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Response to KamaAina (Original post)

Fri Sep 14, 2012, 07:12 PM

2. I had no idea it was supposed to be so extensive - what a great system that would be!

Thanks for posting this...

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Response to KamaAina (Original post)

Sat Sep 15, 2012, 05:02 PM

3. That green line through the Diablo & San Ramon Valleys would be packed every day.

Right now the freeways (I-680 to I-580) are constantly jammed at rush hour. There's even an old railbed that could have been used for BART. It's now the Iron Horse Trail.

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Response to KamaAina (Original post)

Sun Sep 16, 2012, 11:17 AM

4. Think of the carbon

that would have been eliminated from this alone. Then multiply that by 25 other metro areas. We spent the money on a "cold war" instead.

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Response to Auggie (Reply #4)

Sun Sep 16, 2012, 07:28 PM

5. And the freedom

that I and hundreds of thousands of other disabled, non-driving people would have had.

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Response to KamaAina (Original post)

Sun Sep 16, 2012, 09:23 PM

6. Marin and Sonoma counties screwed the pooch when they turned it down

I was livid when that happened.

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Response to Brother Buzz (Reply #6)

Mon Sep 17, 2012, 08:31 AM

7. Santa Clara apparently was the real problem

Their withdrawal created a domino-like effect ...

From wikipedia:

In addition to San Francisco, Alameda, and Contra Costa Counties, Santa Clara County, San Mateo County, and Marin County were initially intended to be part of the system.

Before construction started, Santa Clara County Supervisors opted out in 1957, preferring instead to build expressways. In 1961, San Mateo County supervisors voted to leave BART, saying their voters would be paying taxes to carry mainly Santa Clara County residents. Although Marin County originally voted in favor of BART participation at the 88% level, the district-wide tax base was weakened by the withdrawal of San Mateo County. Marin County was forced to withdraw in early 1962 because its marginal tax base could not adequately absorb its share of BART's projected cost.


Another important factor in Marin's withdrawal was an engineering controversy over the feasibility of carrying trains across the Golden Gate Bridge.

LINK: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bay_Area_Rapid_Transit

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Response to Auggie (Reply #7)

Mon Sep 17, 2012, 11:48 AM

8. The bridge controversy was the straw that broke the camel's back, but it was totally doable

Marin was on board until it was undone by last-minute politics.

Marin County was asked to withdraw from the project because BART officials were concerned that Marin voters might scuttle the entire system in the face of conflicting studies about its feasibility. Two studies concluded the Golden Gate Bridge could support a lower deck carrying trains. But engineer hired by the Golden Gate Bridge District said the plan would not work. One historian suggests the district shopped around for an engineer who would cast a cloud over the plan. Bridge officials did not want a train on the famed span, in part because the train could cut into the districtís toll collections, said Louise Nelson Dyble, author of "Paying the Toll: Local Power, Regional Politics, and the Golden Gate Bridge."

Three decades later, a 1990 study concluded the bridge indeed could handle trains. By then, however, the cost of building such a system made it politically unfeasible.

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Response to Brother Buzz (Reply #8)

Mon Sep 17, 2012, 01:50 PM

9. Thanks for bringing this up ...

I always thought it was NIMBY pressure.

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Response to Auggie (Reply #9)

Mon Sep 17, 2012, 03:00 PM

10. It was practically in my backyard

This was the gravel bed near my childhood home that BART would have used . The station would have been three blocks from my house. Note: you can't see it, but there is an electric 'third rail' beside the tracks that serviced the Northwestern Pacific electric train, a superb commuter system that served southern Marin County until 1941. Today, the rails are gone and it hosts a bicycle path. Would have, could have, should have.

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Response to Auggie (Reply #7)

Wed Sep 19, 2012, 02:55 AM

12. And now we're paying additional sales tax for the Santa Clara extension

which I don't expect to see built in my lifetime.

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Response to Retrograde (Reply #12)

Wed Sep 19, 2012, 12:51 PM

13. They broke ground earlier this year

it's supposed to open in about five years.

You're not terminally ill, are you?

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Response to KamaAina (Original post)

Wed Sep 19, 2012, 02:52 AM

11. It looks like it follows the current Caltrain route down the Peninsula

If BART had gone with standard gauge track maybe we could be there by now!

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Response to KamaAina (Original post)

Sat Sep 29, 2012, 03:53 AM

14. My god, I had no idea it was going to be this extensive- I'm a block from 24th and Mission

and BART is a great resource. I've used the airport extension twice in the last couple of months.

Los Gatos to Jennings - Sonoma -Napa - Brentwood - Fairfield

The traffic jams avoided

The population mobile together

What a lost opportunity.

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Response to NBachers (Reply #14)

Sat Sep 29, 2012, 09:27 PM

15. Tell me about it

you have an actual station. I have the imaginary Fruitdale station, near the bottom, which is now a VTA light rail station that only gets me within the immediate San Jose area.

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