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Thu Jun 14, 2012, 01:03 PM

Edison Smart Meter: Yay or Nay?

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Response to savalez (Original post)

Thu Jun 14, 2012, 01:19 PM

1. nay - if it does not benefit YOU, there is no need for it. who cares if it benefits edison nt

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Response to msongs (Reply #1)

Thu Jun 14, 2012, 01:23 PM

3. Do you know ANYTHING about generation??

Energy mix, demand response, peaked plants, it the smart grid?

Smart meters allow for more sustainable generation by utility companies AND allow customers means to conserve energy and money.

I hate when progressives land on the wrong side of a subject.

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Response to NYC_SKP (Reply #3)

Thu Jun 14, 2012, 01:37 PM

5. And they usually land there for paranoid, ignorant, and reactionary reasons. nt

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Response to msongs (Reply #1)

Thu Jun 14, 2012, 01:41 PM

7. Apparently you can Opt-out but

there is a one-time $75 fee and $10 per month surcharge.

I found this:

"Consumers Power Alliance, a resident organization funded via donations by concerned residents like you, believes so. CPA is fighting SCE’s smart meter program and has a legal team that has challenged SCE’s smart meter program and opt-out fees. CPA consequently filed a protest with the CPUC regarding SCE’s opt-out program and fees.

In response, the CPUC has temporarily suspended SCE’s opt out fees, effective June 4, for 120 days while they look into this matter. CPA, meanwhile, is encouraging residents to opt-out of SCE smart meters today, and has issued an alert and advice to SCE customers. CPA is also encouraging SCE customers to file complaints with CPA’s hired law firm (read more below) because these consumer complaints are having a strong effect on the SCE opt out program."


I called SCE and they said they are aware of it but will charge the fee regardless.

These fees aren't helping me either.

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Response to savalez (Reply #7)

Thu Jun 14, 2012, 04:27 PM

11. I think, like seat belts, smart meters and smart grid are gonna happen.

Check this: http://www.smartgrid.gov/

I've had several discussions with people about both meters and smart grid.

First, often the higher bills are due to the older meters mis-measuring electrical use; customers were getting free power for years. Some complain, others are grateful for the freebies.

Second, time of use really impacts cost of generation. Times of high demand require more expensive and less environmentally friendly forms of generation, so if you apply the rules of supply and demand on an hourly basis, higher costs during high demand make sense.

But it takes smart meters to know at what times your usage is high or low.

Another way to look at the same dynamic is to say that smart meters make it possible to know when you're shifting load to low demand so that you can be charged LESS for it.

Basically, you go online and can see when your usage is occurring.

Since when is knowledge a bad thing? (is what I tell the freepers)

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Response to NYC_SKP (Reply #11)

Thu Jun 14, 2012, 09:09 PM

13. I've wondered how they

figured out what percentage of your usage was peak since all they got was a number reading.

Since when is knowledge a bad thing?


I suppose when it raises your bill.



Thanks for the info!

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Response to savalez (Reply #13)

Thu Jun 14, 2012, 09:59 PM

14. "Interval data" That's why they call it a smart meter!

Check out the link below to see what a smart meter can do:

http://solarguard.solarcity.com/Kiosk/SolarGuard.aspx?JID=77b84e66-41a5-4b41-ac7c-7c7e2a793981

This is a large building with a solar carport generation system.

The red curve shows energy use over a 24 hour period, the green bars are solar energy being created.

Your home system would provide a similar view with respect to hourly usage.

Typically, you can also look at any day in the past and select a one-week, one-month, and one-year view.

Compare your use year over year to see if you're saving, see how much that hot spell cost you, identify the best times to do laundry, install a fan!

The idiots fighting this don't realize that the utility companies do NOT make more profit based on more sales; 1982 decoupling laws ensure that:

http://www.nrdc.org/onearth/06spr/ca3.asp

..."Decoupling broke this link. Here's how it works: Every few years, state regulators determine how much revenue utilities need to cover certain authorized costs. They then set electricity rates at a level that allows utilities to recover these costs, based on a forecast of sales. If actual sales are above or below this forecast, then revenues are "trued up." Over-collections are given back to consumers in the form of reduced rates, and under-collections are eliminated with modest rate increases (typically pennies a month for the average household)...."


Once upon a time, they did. Nowadays, they stand to make more profit by promoting energy efficiency and conservation.

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Response to savalez (Original post)

Thu Jun 14, 2012, 01:20 PM

2. Yea.

Freepers hate smart meters, environmentalists love them.

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Response to NYC_SKP (Reply #2)

Thu Jun 14, 2012, 01:35 PM

4. yes everyone who thinks differently from you is a freeper. have a great day "-) BTW if u

bother to read what I actually wrote, it says f it does not benefit you... so the question must be answered before assessing value.

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Response to msongs (Reply #4)

Thu Jun 14, 2012, 01:38 PM

6. It DOES benefit you...

As I explained.

And it's true that Freepers hate it just as they hate fuel mileage standards.

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Response to NYC_SKP (Reply #2)

Thu Jun 14, 2012, 01:44 PM

8. I saw that there is concern over

the radio waves that they generate. Is that something to be worried about? Thx.

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Response to savalez (Reply #8)

Thu Jun 14, 2012, 02:27 PM

10. Do You Have Wireless Internet or a Cellphone? Or a Microwave Oven?

Radio waves are pretty much everywhere.

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Response to AndyTiedye (Reply #10)

Thu Jun 14, 2012, 09:03 PM

12. I think the concern is

that the waves from a smart meter are many times stronger than that of a cell phone. I've read 100 times stronger though I'm not sure what that translates to in terms of health risk, or if it's even true.

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Response to savalez (Reply #12)

Thu Jun 14, 2012, 10:03 PM

15. Sorry about this giant pic...

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Response to savalez (Original post)

Thu Jun 14, 2012, 02:25 PM

9. Our Bills Went Up When PG&E Installed Their "Smart Meters"

They didn't change the rates, we did not get moved to time-of-use rates or anything like that, but our bills went way up,
as did everyone else's in the neighborhood.

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Response to AndyTiedye (Reply #9)

Fri Aug 30, 2013, 12:18 PM

16. The old analog meters were probably under-measuring.

So you've been getting a break all these years.

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