The Communist Party smacks down Allen West

[Starry Messenger]

An excellent conversation, between two folks who are actually two DU members. Nice going, Mr. Hartmann and Mr. Della Piana!

[TBF]

1. Very nicely done Mr. Della Piana. :) nt

[white_wolf]

2. Not a bad interview...

my only complaint is that when he answered the question about private property he seemed to give a kind of wishy-washy answer, at least that's how it came across to me.

[Starry Messenger]

3. It's such a funny question to ask.

How many people really have scads of property? Marx wrote the answer to all of that over a hundred and fifty years ago, and still people think we're going to take their non-existent large tracts of land. "You get to keep your stuff" should be on a t-shirt or something.

[socialist_n_TN]

4. Good interview. I kind of liked the way he sidestepped the........

"Communist endorsed" question and also the one about current Congresspersons supporting the agenda. The country is not ready yet and any endorsement would just set up an unnecessary roadblock for the person or position "endorsed". Hopefully, that will change in the next few years.

[Starry Messenger]

5. I really hope so too.

It's crazy that the Nazi party in this country has their own lobbyist now in DC and we have to be all "hush-hush". Grr....

[TBF]

8. It really should -

that is one phrase that scares folks if they haven't read Marx. Here's the simple wiki definition for lurkers who may not know "In Marxian economics and socialist politics, there is distinction between "private property" and "personal property". The former is defined as the means of production in reference to private ownership over an economic enterprise based on socialized production and wage labor; the latter is defined as consumer goods or goods produced by an individual." Once folks realize they can keep their home and record collection they are more willing to talk.

[socialist_n_TN]

9. oh yeah, this iS a serious problem..........

I've even gotten into it with some of the more conservative DUers about this before. From a Marxist perspective there is a BIG difference.

[freshwest]

6. In the next few years or perhaps in this generation, I think the expectations of the native peoples

Will add another aspect to the concepts that were nearly discussed in the interview. The accumulation of capitalist holdings and the formation of nations, was not a democratic or reasonable process.

It was accomplished through lies, murder and theft. If we can as a society and a world progress toward more enlightened, humane and just ways of relating to each other, communism will become more feasible to the average person. Their viewpoint may give an impetus to changing the rest of society, but now, indigenous people are still being swept into this dying system of religion and capitalist ideology.

At this point, we are on the edge of the cliff, propelled by a combination of a Brave New World social model and a 1984 governance model or a world wide fascist super state. While Marx envisioned a global system, this was never what the vision entailed. In a way, it was more the Biblical model of 'every man had his own vineyard,' to give each individual their rights, but an end to warfare and social caste.

[Starry Messenger]

7. Nice post, freshwest.

The accumulation of capitalist holdings and the formation of nations, was not a democratic or reasonable process.

It was accomplished through lies, murder and theft. If we can as a society and a world progress toward more enlightened, humane and just ways of relating to each other, communism will become more feasible to the average person. Their viewpoint may give an impetus to changing the rest of society, but now, indigenous people are still being swept into this dying system of religion and capitalist ideology.

cosign all of this.