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Sun May 22, 2011, 07:37 AM

There's a hell of a lot of propaganda needing to be debunked.

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Reply There's a hell of a lot of propaganda needing to be debunked. (Original post)
Ghost Dog May 2011 OP
astral May 2011 #1
OswegoAtheist Dec 2011 #2
Mojo on Stand-by Jan 2012 #6
postulater Dec 2011 #3
Squinch Jun 2013 #28
JDPriestly Dec 2011 #4
zorba1010 Feb 2012 #9
JDPriestly Nov 2012 #21
SandyLouis Jan 2013 #24
toddmiller Nov 2012 #20
Lefty Nast Jun 2013 #25
fprefect Jan 2012 #5
chknltl May 2012 #12
AverageJoe90 Feb 2012 #7
Charming Feb 2012 #8
4dsc Apr 2012 #10
MynameisBlarney Apr 2012 #11
chknltl May 2012 #13
Lefty Nast Jun 2013 #27
white cloud Aug 2012 #16
Lefty Nast Jun 2013 #26
MarvelUs Aug 2012 #14
white cloud Aug 2012 #15
Ghost Dog Aug 2012 #17
jonpaulprime Oct 2012 #19
ConcernedCitizen111 Oct 2012 #18
bwcrusader Dec 2012 #22
billy_j Dec 2012 #23
Thinkingabout Apr 2014 #29
Name removed Aug 29 #31
zach.magee May 2014 #30

Response to Ghost Dog (Original post)

Tue May 24, 2011, 01:49 AM

1. Yah, You Betcha!

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Response to Ghost Dog (Original post)

Tue Dec 6, 2011, 04:17 PM

2. It's fun for me.

I've been with the snopes.com message board for over a decade, and have been one of the foot soldiers/investigators for just about as long.

Oswego "but can I prove that?" Atheist

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Response to Ghost Dog (Original post)

Sat Dec 10, 2011, 02:55 PM

3. Before you can debunk it, someone has to bunk it.

The key is to find the bunker and get them to unbunk it at the prebunk state. Saves on the debunking.

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Response to postulater (Reply #3)

Sat Jun 22, 2013, 08:26 AM

28. But with all the bunkers hunkering down in their bunkers, that's a difficult thing to do.

Bunch of punks, those bunkers.

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Response to Ghost Dog (Original post)

Wed Dec 21, 2011, 04:38 AM

4. There is almost too much propaganda that needs debunking to deal with.

The Republicans and the oil industry are claiming that building the pipeline for Canada's shale oil will produce 85,000 U.S. jobs and that exploiting that oil will produce about 200,000 more by 2035.

Such predictions are always questionable, but in this case the claims about new jobs appear to be drastically exaggerated.

1. The API claims assume a $7 billion KXL budget, whereas the actual figure bearing on U.S. jobs is $3 billion to $4 billion;

2. TransCanada supplied data to the U.S. State Department showing no more than 2,500 to 4,650 temporary direct construction jobs over two years, and there is no substantiation for its related claim that KXL will create 20,000 direct U.S. construction and manufacturing jobs;

3. Much of the line’s steel pipe has already been contracted for or manufactured. The steel came largely not from the U.S. but from India, and much of the steel for the rest the line will come from India or Russia;

4. The API claim there will be 119,000 total (direct, indirect, and induced) jobs is based on a flawed and poorly documented Perryman Group study commissioned by TransCanada that wrongly includes more than $1 billion in spending and 10,000+ person-years of employment for a part of the project in Kansas and Oklahoma that is not part of KXL and has already been built;

. . . .

There is more here:

http://www.greentechmedia.com/articles/read/jobs-and-the-keystone-xl-pipeline-controversy/

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Response to JDPriestly (Reply #4)

Mon Feb 13, 2012, 11:01 PM

9. AMERICAN EXCEPTUALISM

AMERICAN EXCEPTIONALISM

Just what does American Exceptionalism mean? Personally, I have no idea; however, some of my conservative friends do. They cite the ravings of Beck, Limbaugh, and politicians like Romney and Pawlenty as they rail against Obama for apologizing to countries for crimes we have committed against those countries. Never mind what we had done in the past to the American Indians, to the African Americans, to the Chinese who built our railroads, and to the Mexicans. Let's just go back to 1953 and 1954 when we backed a coup in Iran and imposed a brutal dictator on the Iranian people, which lasted for nearly 27 years. About that time we sent troops into Vietnam and called them ''advisors''. By the end of that conflict 58,000 Americans had been killed. But there also were three million Vietnamese who were killed, in their own land. Because of our actions in Laos and Cambodia, more than a couple of hundred thousand of their people also died. We backed a military junta while they killed thousands of their own people in Argentina, and led the coup against a democratically elected President, Salvador Allende, in Chile. And again, we saddled a country with a vicious dictator, Augusto Pinochet, who tortured and killed thousands of Chileans. Saddam's gassing his own people was fine with the Reagan and Bush Sr. administrations, so we continued to support him until he invaded Kuwait. But let's attack Obama for exhibiting compassion and decency! "We are Americans. We don't apologize''. I write, because I am speechless.
I once admired the stupid for following leaders who were smarter than they were, but the stupid have drifted to the right and now follow the more stupid. As an example, let's take Bill O'Reilly. About two months ago, he engaged an atheist in debate on his show. As serious as a small pox epidemic, looking the atheist in the eye, O'Reilly blurted out, "Tide in, tide out!" The atheist was stunned, as was I. O'Reilly continued, ''No one can explain ocean tides." O'Reilly was right about that. No one can explain ocean tides--except every elementary school student on the face of this planet. But Bill wasn't finished. ''Who put the moon and the sun up there?'' He expected the atheist to fold under that brilliant logic. Let me put my two cents in here: I say it was the tooth fairy who put the sun and the moon in into orbit. I challenge anyone to disprove it. No one can. Think I'm crazy? Try to disprove it. You see, I am the one who must prove that the tooth fairy achieved that miraculous feat. It is not the atheist who must disprove that God created the sun and the moon; it is O'Reilly who must prove it. It was his assertion. What is terrifying is that O'Reilly is the most sane and intelligent anchor on Fox--with a huge following!
My advice to you independents is this: never, never vote for anyone who does not believe in evolution, for the evidence is everywhere--in the size of the people, in the diversity of races, and even in viruses that change to resist antibiotics. If you vote for another bible-thumper, you will get, and deserve, another George W. Bush and all the crime and incompetence that will be brought to the Presidency. These ''thumpers'' are not good people. They are afflicted with an evil sickness. Last month, my 20 year old niece sent me a video on Face Book of a young woman saying that Japan was devastated by an earthquake and tsunami because Japan is not a Christian nation. She then said to American atheists that God loved them, but if they did not go to him, they will experience a similar fate. This mentality is not uncommon with Christian Conservatives. There are millions of them who believe this drivel. If these are the people you will find in Heaven, I will take my chances with the character in the red suit who has horns and a tail. Thank you, niece, for sending me the video.
Donald Trump was running for President. He waned to see Obama's birth certificate. I want to see his, because I have never seen a head like that in my life. Look closely at Trump's head. Is that not the head of an alien? Three or four wives, bankruptcies, undeserved arrogance, and he wants to be President? I have only one more thing to say about Trump: be wary of the man who wields superlatives. If you don't know what that means, then I'm quite sure you are a conservative. Is Trump smart, or just rich? I know he's rich, but don't know much about his intellect. I do know what an intelligent person is. It is someone who can incorporate knowledge with logic. Does anyone know of a conservative who possesses both of these qualities? I doubt it. The definition of the word ''conservative'' implies stupidity. You don't believe it? Open up your dictionary--''status quo, resistance to change''. Now what else can that mean? I worry about my conservative friends when they enter a revolving door. "Resistance to change'', I think. ''How will they find their war out''.
In the last forty years we have had only one intelligent republican President--Nixon, and he was a criminal. The rest of them were either average or below average. Nixon thought Reagan was not smart enough to be President. Reagan's own aids said that he was disengaged and knew little about history. He knew just enough, though, to commit the Iran/Contra crime, and lie about it. He knew enough to invade Grenada because there were Cubans on the island, but not enough to invade Cuba where ten million Cubans lived. He knew enough to deregulate the Savings and Loan industry, opening it up to all sorts of fraud and collapsing the industry, causing one of the great stock market crashes in history. He knew enough to take advice from his wife, who took advice from astrologer Joan Quigley three times a week--in the White House! He knew enough to believe in Armageddon, which scared the hell out of his aids. Yes, he knew enough, but none of it made any sense. The conservatives made Reagan their greatest hero. I do know that conservatives ''think''. They think that reason is a dried grape. In their minds, who needs logic.
I have three conservative friends who belong to unions. Because of their membership, they have some security and pension benefits. They see what is going on in some states where republicans are trying to bust the unions, and still they vote for the right-wingers. They will receive checks from their unions when they retire, checks from social security, and they will have Medicare. One of my friends is a tea-bagger! Who do they think fought and won these benefits for them, Joe the plumber?
Allow me to return to American Exceptionalism. About forty years ago in Vietnam, Lt. William Calley led his platoon to a killing spree. They murdered old men, women, children and babies--more than five hundred of them. The only weapon the Vietnamese had was one butter knife, unsharpened. If it were not for an American helicopter captain, they would have slaughtered the rest of the village. The captain landed his helicopter between Calley's men and the villagers and ordered the butchers to lay their weapons down, or he would fire on them. The cowards laid their guns down. We did not apologize for that massacre. Not one of these men did one day in prison. Calley served three years under house arrest and then released. The American captain received hate mail and death threats from Americans! In 1988, the U.S.S. Vinscennze shot down an Iranian airliner with 290 on board--thirty of them children. The Vinscennze lied about why it shot the plane down. This happened while the airliner was taking off from its own airport. Conservatives think that we are special, and don't have to apologize. Yes, we could be the greatest country on earth again, if we can convince the neo-conservatives to migrate to Texas and the rest of the bible-belt. We'll even throw in Idaho, Montana and Wyoming. Until we behave in the interest of humanity, and not just our own, we will never be exceptional.

R.T.

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Response to zorba1010 (Reply #9)

Fri Nov 16, 2012, 11:03 AM

21. I have been reading a book entitled "The Middle Sea."

It covers maybe 5000 years of history of the area surrounding the Mediterranean. Just fascinating but very long (600 pages chock full of names and facts).

It really caused me to stop and understand just how brutal people have been throughout history. I am wondering whether, to rid the world of exceptionalism, we would have to change our DNA. It isn't just Europeans who believe we are exceptional. The Muslims who conquered all their neighbors, forced many nonbelievers (in their religion) and brutally massacred so many were just as bad. And then before them there was the Roman empire. Another brutal exceptionalist bunch.

I recommend the book. But it takes a long time to read it.

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Response to zorba1010 (Reply #9)

Sat Jan 5, 2013, 09:40 PM

24. Spam deleted by NRaleighLiberal (MIR Team)

 

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Response to JDPriestly (Reply #4)

Thu Nov 15, 2012, 08:44 PM

20. My Recommendation For Addressing overwhelming amounts of propaganda

At it's core propaganda is a lie. In order to lie, you need to violate the rules of informal logic. Therefore, teaching informal logic to people decreases their susceptibility to propaganda. https://www.impartial-review.com/stories/how-you-can-avoid-being-taken-in-by-misleading-persuasive-appeals

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Response to JDPriestly (Reply #4)

Fri Jun 21, 2013, 11:49 PM

25. One more thing

They don't factor in the pollution of the water, air and ground in Canada plus the spills which will occur. It is all B.S. As the old timers around here used to say: "Money talks and bullshit walks."

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Response to Ghost Dog (Original post)

Mon Jan 16, 2012, 10:31 AM

5. Here's one

http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/politics/10170-obama-admin-pushed-for-indefinite-detention-provision

This is claiming that President Obama was actually in support of the NDA 1031 clauses that would allow the military the right to detain suspects indefinitely without trial. Surly this must all be some right-wing twisting of words. What do you guys think?

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Response to fprefect (Reply #5)

Mon May 21, 2012, 07:28 AM

12. link does not work.

Perhaps you might fix link or find a better one.

Here is a link you might try researching.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Defense_Authorization_Act_for_Fiscal_Year_2012#section_1

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Response to Ghost Dog (Original post)

Fri Feb 3, 2012, 08:19 PM

7. Just posted a whole thread dedicated to debunking of Tea Party agitprop.

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Response to Ghost Dog (Original post)

Mon Feb 13, 2012, 06:20 PM

8. The Hatred I Hear From the Right-Wing Nuts

What is it with the hatred of Obama?

I remember similar when Clinton was elected. Can't they just accept that they can't fix every election?

I wish we had a better method of bebunking this junk. Now - they are sending around the - Snopes is evil emails.

What really snaps my garters when I debunk some of this crap, send it back to the person who sent it to me, they will thank me but not send it to the other 273 people they sent it to.

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Response to Ghost Dog (Original post)

Sun Apr 8, 2012, 11:33 AM

10. Just about every commercial on TV is propaganda these days

I get sick and tired of hearing commercials that for no other purpose appear to be propaganda from corporate America and wonder whether or not the American are that gullible not to know the difference.

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Response to Ghost Dog (Original post)

Sat Apr 21, 2012, 01:27 PM

11. I hope someone reads this.

The following is copied and pasted from someone I know on facebook.
It's quite a long list of lies and half-truths regarding the Obama administration.
Any and all help in debunking these claims would be very much appreciated. Thanks in advance.

"To many people have accused me of being to critical of our commander in thief, Barrack Nobama . . . . so here is my compilation of his accomplishments that any American can be proud of . . . . . . :

First President to apply for college aid as a foreign student, then
deny he was a foreigner.

First President to have a social security number from a state he has
never lived in.

First President to preside over a cut to the credit-rating of the
United States

First President to violate the War Powers Act. .

First President to be held in contempt of court for illegally
obstructing oil drilling in the Gulf of Mexico.

First President to defy a Federal Judge's court order to cease
implementing the Health Care Reform Law.

First President to require all Americans to purchase a product from a
third party.

First President to spend a trillion dollars on 'shovel-ready' jobs
when there was no such thing as 'shovel-ready' jobs.

First President to abrogate bankruptcy law to turn over control of
companies to his union supporters.

First President to by-pass Congress and implement the Dream Act
through executive fiat.

First President to order a secret amnesty program that stopped the
deportation of illegal immigrants across the U.S., including those
with criminal convictions.

First President to demand a company hand-over $20 billion to one of
his political appointees.

First President to terminate America's ability to put a man in space.

First President to have a law signed by an auto-pen without being present.

First President to arbitrarily declare an existing law
unconstitutional and refuse to enforce it.

First President to threaten insurance companies if they publicly
spoke-out on the reasons for their rate increases.

First President to tell a major manufacturing company in which state
it is allowed to locate a factory.

First President to file lawsuits against the states he swore an oath
to protect (AZ, WI, OH, IN).

First President to withdraw an existing coal permit that had been
properly issued years ago.

First President to fire an inspector general of Ameri-Corps for
catching one of his friends in a corruption case.

First President to appoint 45 czars to replace elected officials in
his office. .

First President to golf 73 separate times in his first two and a half
years in office, 90 and counting to date.

First President to hide his medical, educational and travel records.

First President to win a Nobel Peace Prize for doing NOTHING to earn it.

First President to go on multiple global 'apology tours'.

First President to go on 17 lavish vacations, including date nights
and Wednesday evening White House parties for his friends paid for by
the taxpayer.

First President to have 22 personal servants (taxpayer funded) for his
wife.

First President to keep a dog trainer on retainer for $102,000 a year
at taxpayer expense.

First President to repeat the Holy Quran tells us the early morning
call of the Azan (Islamic call to worship) is the most beautiful
sound on earth.

First President to take a 17 day vacation.

YUP - now that's a leader tha I can be proud of (if you made it this far)"

Again, these are not my words and thoughts on Obama. Help me counter these point by point. Thanks!

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Response to MynameisBlarney (Reply #11)

Mon May 21, 2012, 08:06 AM

13. call this idiot out by asking for proof

Then Google search your rebuttles. For instance, I notice there is a bit regarding President Obama's vacation time and expenses. A quick search just now turned up that he has spent far less time and cash on his vacations than did Presidents Regan or Bush. Does this person take issue with all but President Clinton who took far less vacation time than Obama or Bush or Regan?

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Response to chknltl (Reply #13)

Fri Jun 21, 2013, 11:54 PM

27. Dubya spent more vacation time than any other President in history

Just Sayin...

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Response to MynameisBlarney (Reply #11)

Fri Jun 21, 2013, 11:51 PM

26. They will never listen to facts...humor is the best weapon

Some things are better laughed to death

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Response to Ghost Dog (Original post)

Thu Aug 23, 2012, 08:20 PM

14. Good place to check facts Snopes.com

Snopes.com

The definitive Internet reference source for urban legends, folklore, myths, rumors, and misinformation.

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Response to MarvelUs (Reply #14)

Sat Aug 25, 2012, 12:46 PM

15. Also

http://www.truthorfiction.com
factscheck.com

Urban legend.com

Tampa Politico site,
Pants on fire
wiki and all the above references,
Also there ia a new app coming out for debuking Political RWE e turds. LOL Mail this app all the freepers.


also Thanks the riech wing for making these site rich with all there hits.

Sign up for the newsletter and also mail or sign up your freepers buddies.

If you want to debunk something just cut and paste some of the unique text into you browser.....you will find a lot of these e turd come from freerepublic.com

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Response to white cloud (Reply #15)

Sat Aug 25, 2012, 06:54 PM

17. Many thanks white cloud.

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Response to MarvelUs (Reply #14)

Thu Oct 25, 2012, 12:33 PM

19. Snopes

That's a fun, sometimes fascinating site to read.

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Response to Ghost Dog (Original post)

Fri Oct 12, 2012, 07:39 AM

18. Here is why Biden didn't close the FINAL punch. Hopefully Obama will. **PLEASE LISTEN**

***Here is why Biden didn't deliver the ENDING PUNCH**** Please tell Obama not to make the same mistake!!!!!!!!!!!

Mitt Romney's "job plan" is not a NEW, innovative plan. It is a RETURN to George Bush's "trickle down" policies for the wealthy. Also, a sure recipe to make us look like a South American country.

Think about it.

Romney has to make up his $5 Trillion tax cuts with tax increases -- because he wants to be "revenue neutral"

Where do those TAX hikes likely hit?
* The mortgage interest deduction will be reduced or eliminated – just as home construction is coming back. This is no stimulus. It is the opposite.
* State income taxes will no longer be deductable
* Many charities will likely no longer be deductable.

These do hit the Middle Class harder.
Why does Romney say his tax cuts will help the Middle Class. Perhaps he is thinking only of the lower investment taxes (capital gains) taxes people pay. But that is only about 5% of their income.

If you add up ALL the taxes, they will likely pay far more, and the wealthy get ANOTHER big tax cut, on top of what George Bush gave them.
A sure recipe for a return to the PROBLEMS we say with George Bush’s administration, and the future of our country.


This was why Clinton got a bump for Obama -- by saying this.
Why is Obama/Biden being SILENT on this now during this important time!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Sun Dec 30, 2012, 08:41 AM

23. One Big Bit of Propaganda is that the Bankers shouldn't go to jail

 

Money more likely the love of money is the root of all evil
Iceland is putting the couurpt banksters in jail When will Democrats get the balls as well

Executives at Collapsed Iceland Bank Jailed for Fraud
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Published: December 28, 2012 at 12:22 PM ET
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REYKJAVIK (Reuters) - Two former executives at an Icelandic bank which collapsed in the 2008 financial meltdown were sentenced to jail on Friday for fraud which led to a 53 million euro loss, in the first major trial of Icelandic bankers linked to the crisis.

All three of the small North Atlantic island's top banks collapsed in quick succession in October 2008 due to big debts incurred during a rapid overseas expansion.

Glitnir was the first to fall after the collapse of Lehman Brothers caused international credit markets to freeze up.

A Reykjavik court sentenced Glitnir's former chief executive, Larus Welding, and former head of corporate finance, Gudmundur Hjaltason, each to nine months in jail, of which six months were suspended for two years. They had denied the charges.

Prosecutors said the two approved a loan to a company which owned shares in Glitnir so that the company could in turn repay a debt to Morgan Stanley.

The decision, taken outside the regular decision-making process, meant Glitnir was too exposed to the company and cost the bank at least 53.7 million euros (43 million pounds), the prosecution said.

The sentence was less than the jail terms of at least five years demanded by Iceland's special prosecutor, who is looking into alleged wrongdoing connected to the crisis.

"We have a conviction, which is of course the main thing," prosecutor Holmsteinn Sigurdsson told reporters outside the courtroom when asked whether he was disappointed with the length of the sentence.

The special prosecutor is also looking into alleged wrongdoing linked to the collapse of the other two former top banks, Landsbanki and Kaupthing.

(Reporting by Omar Valdimarsson; Writing by Patrick Lannin in Stockholm; Editing by Pravin Char)

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Response to Ghost Dog (Original post)

Fri Apr 11, 2014, 12:22 PM

29. If it sounds like RW talk, pass it off as RW talk, do sone research to debunk

The crap and the next time a RWer tries framing this down your throat quote them the truth and watch their Lilly wilt and die in the vine.

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Response to Ghost Dog (Original post)

Wed May 14, 2014, 02:16 PM

30. propaganda

Propaganda is, and always will be a part of our society... the good, the bad, and the ugly.

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