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OriginalGeek

(12,132 posts)
Wed Nov 11, 2015, 01:12 PM Nov 2015

I'm thinking about smoking the turkey this year.

I have a dual action char-griller grill that does gas on one side and charcoal on the other. I've been looking at some videos but they all seem to be using fancy, electronically temperature controlled pellet smokers. Not sure how I can regulate the temperature with out standing there for 3 or 4 hours and opening the lid whenever it gets too hot inside.

My grill is plenty big enough for the job but I've mainly just done burgers and steaks on it so far. This would be a more ambitious project than anything I've tried before. I've only used the charcoal side with lump-wood charcoal and a starter chimney (I don't like briquettes and I don't like lighter fluid) but I've never had to regulate the temps in a closed grill before - I just move stuff from the hot side to the cooler side of the grill as needed and generally get edible food.

I am told my ribs were great but I cheated and started them in the oven before moving them to the grill for smoke and color:


What I've read so far is:
count on about a pound of turkey per person
no more than a 10 or 11 pound bird in grill or else the outside gets way overdone before the inside gets done
it'll take about 3 and half hours to cook a 10 pounder

any experienced turkey grillers out there got advice?

Thanks!

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I'm thinking about smoking the turkey this year. (Original Post) OriginalGeek Nov 2015 OP
I tried to smoke a turkey once. Hayduke Bomgarte Nov 2015 #1
lol, we are trying to avoid a restaurant for the first time in years OriginalGeek Nov 2015 #6
yeah... smoke the weed then eat the turkey tk2kewl Nov 2015 #18
Good luck. I've been modifying a chargriller for long term smoker NightWatcher Nov 2015 #2
I actually have the side smoker box for mine OriginalGeek Nov 2015 #4
I used a range top smoker last year. Absolutely amazing. Recursion Nov 2015 #3
Yep, I've been looking at some brine recipes OriginalGeek Nov 2015 #5
We haven't smoked but I high-five the brine. GeorgeGist Nov 2015 #12
It's all a matter of subjective taste, of course...... Paladin Nov 2015 #7
For sure OriginalGeek Nov 2015 #9
It was Greenberg's Smoked Turkeys, in Tyler, where we got that bird. Paladin Nov 2015 #11
Yep, you can sure 'over-smoke' fowl. trof Nov 2015 #19
We didn't have a kitchen (renovation project) a few years back on smoked our turkey on the grill. FSogol Nov 2015 #8
Ooooh, I hadn't considered the pan OriginalGeek Nov 2015 #10
Here's a page with a ton of info about turkey. BarbaRosa Nov 2015 #13
thank you! OriginalGeek Nov 2015 #42
You might try combo grill smoker/indoor oven. trof Nov 2015 #14
That's what I was thinking... jmowreader Nov 2015 #23
I've smoked a few, in my time Nac Mac Feegle Nov 2015 #15
Sometimes I use pecan wood. A lot of pecan groves down here in coastal Alabama. trof Nov 2015 #20
I was just up in Georgia last week OriginalGeek Nov 2015 #40
Wow thanks! OriginalGeek Nov 2015 #41
My version, several years ago: panader0 Nov 2015 #16
THAT sounds awesome OriginalGeek Nov 2015 #39
it's been about 11 years hopemountain Nov 2015 #17
Never liked oak smoke. trof Nov 2015 #21
they can overpower - hopemountain Nov 2015 #26
Mesquite is just what I grew up with OriginalGeek Nov 2015 #37
ribs can take the mesquite - hopemountain Nov 2015 #51
lol the more I read OriginalGeek Nov 2015 #38
just a thought discntnt_irny_srcsm Nov 2015 #22
If I wasn't doing this at my Grandpa's house OriginalGeek Nov 2015 #29
~ discntnt_irny_srcsm Nov 2015 #45
No!NO!NO! lastlib Nov 2015 #24
Will You Do It the Way Nat. E. Dread Did? Wolf Frankula Nov 2015 #25
Lol I remember that show! OriginalGeek Nov 2015 #36
I've smoked many a turkey Major Nikon Nov 2015 #27
Glad you guys are telling me this OriginalGeek Nov 2015 #33
I like my smoker a lot Major Nikon Nov 2015 #50
Papers, a bowl or vaping? davsand Nov 2015 #28
lol OriginalGeek Nov 2015 #30
Nuke it from orbit. That's the only way to be sure. pinboy3niner Nov 2015 #31
Can you get me access OriginalGeek Nov 2015 #35
I wouldn't smoke a turkey for the first time for a big holiday dinner if you have guests aikoaiko Nov 2015 #32
I was having reservations OriginalGeek Nov 2015 #34
Excellent. Smoking meats is addictive. Enjoy. aikoaiko Nov 2015 #43
Oooohhh.. Xyzse Nov 2015 #44
mmmmm looks yummy! OriginalGeek Nov 2015 #48
It was friggin delicious. Xyzse Nov 2015 #49
Mine ended up tasting like lunch meat. AngryAmish Nov 2015 #46
I love lunch meat! OriginalGeek Nov 2015 #47
Am I the ONLY one whose mind went into the gutter?! WinkyDink Nov 2015 #52
No. Every time I see the thread title I laugh. redwitch Nov 2015 #53
Lolz! OriginalGeek Nov 2015 #54
Just in case you're still looking for info: Nac Mac Feegle Nov 2015 #55
I'll be studying up until we eat OriginalGeek Nov 2015 #56
In case anyone was wondering OriginalGeek Nov 2015 #57

Hayduke Bomgarte

(1,965 posts)
1. I tried to smoke a turkey once.
Wed Nov 11, 2015, 01:49 PM
Nov 2015

Couldn't keep it lit. It was hard to draw through and had no "buzz" qualities at all.

Seriously though, a word of warning from my own single experience.

I followed the instructions, that came with the smoker, to a tee, Even let it go a good while longer than what was called for, based on how I thought it looked. The outer inch or so seemed done and looked good. Deeper in the meat was pink, juicy and closer to the bone looked raw.

We had to scramble to find a restaurant that hadn't already closed.

Good luck!

OriginalGeek

(12,132 posts)
6. lol, we are trying to avoid a restaurant for the first time in years
Wed Nov 11, 2015, 02:52 PM
Nov 2015

My mother-in-law used to make huge TG meals but she's been on the bench for several years now and nobody else in the family has wanted to step up to the plate so we always just take the easy way out and let someone else cook for us. It usually ends up being some buffet but I'm just sick of stranger's kids snot in my food. If I gotta eat snot, I'm eating my own kids' snot.

The best turkey I've had so far has been a deep fried one my FIL did one year but he's long gone and I'm not interested in doing that myself. I'm told brining and smoking is great so I think I can do itl. We'll have hamburgers and hot dogs on standby if that fails though - I know I can cook them lol.

NightWatcher

(39,343 posts)
2. Good luck. I've been modifying a chargriller for long term smoker
Wed Nov 11, 2015, 02:13 PM
Nov 2015

One thing I've found that helps maintain the smoke flavor and temperature

This isnt my pic, but it's what I did


I've thought about getting a side smoker box to keep the charcoals in so I wont have to even open the main grill once I get the temps good. Hell, I'll probably go get it tomorrow and try to get a butt done for the weekend.

OriginalGeek

(12,132 posts)
4. I actually have the side smoker box for mine
Wed Nov 11, 2015, 02:43 PM
Nov 2015

My boss had the same grill as me but didn't like the smoker attachment so he gave it to me when he got a fancy pellet smoker. I haven't installed it yet though so not sure how to use it. (He said it worked fine but he was too lazy to check it as much as it needed. The pellet smoker is pretty much shut it and wait)

Maybe I should install it and experiment this weekend with something else...


but all that aside, I love my grill! Best christmas present I ever got.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
3. I used a range top smoker last year. Absolutely amazing.
Wed Nov 11, 2015, 02:20 PM
Nov 2015

Brined it first, then smoked, then finished in the oven. Best turkey I've ever had.

OriginalGeek

(12,132 posts)
5. Yep, I've been looking at some brine recipes
Wed Nov 11, 2015, 02:46 PM
Nov 2015

If I get too lazy to install the smoke box attachment (see above) I might just do something like that - I have a small metal box I can fill with wood chips to get smoke in the gas side and I think I can control the heat in there better than the charcoal side. (that's it in the rib pic above but it works on either side)

Paladin

(28,252 posts)
7. It's all a matter of subjective taste, of course......
Wed Nov 11, 2015, 03:32 PM
Nov 2015

but a few years ago, acting on the advice of several friends, we got a smoked turkey from a well-known outfit in East Texas that specializes in them. We'll never do it again---that poor bird was smoked way past the point of good sense and taste: it was downright unpleasant to eat, and it was useless for the sort of subsequent dishes (tetrazzini, for example) that we usually got out of our Thanksgiving dinner centerpiece. I guess my advice would be, don't over-do it with the smoking procedure.

OriginalGeek

(12,132 posts)
9. For sure
Wed Nov 11, 2015, 04:21 PM
Nov 2015

a light touch with the mesquite chips is advised. I grew up in Texas and mesquite is the smoke I associate with bbq - I used it on those ribs up there and they came out pretty nice. I bet it wasn't Webb's BBQ that messed up your bird. Mickey woulda done ya right. Alas, he sold the place many years ago and retired. The new guys do good brisket but I was only in town for a couple days so I don't know how or even if they do turkeys for the public. When I was in high school though, the weeks leading up to Thanksgiving got me a ton of overtime - which helped a bunch when you were only making about 3 bucks an hour anyway.

Paladin

(28,252 posts)
11. It was Greenberg's Smoked Turkeys, in Tyler, where we got that bird.
Wed Nov 11, 2015, 05:14 PM
Nov 2015

Like I say, we have friends who swear by the place and get their turkeys there every year---the smoking was just way overdone, in our opinion. Sounds like you know what you're doing; I bet your bird turns out a lot better. Using mesquite is a good idea.

FSogol

(45,473 posts)
8. We didn't have a kitchen (renovation project) a few years back on smoked our turkey on the grill.
Wed Nov 11, 2015, 04:01 PM
Nov 2015

We splatchcocked it (cut out the backbone and flatted it.) We soaked it in a salt and chicken broth brine for 36 hours and cooked indirectly on a hardwood smoker with hickory and applewood chips. Best turkey ever. Splatchcocking allows it to cook faster than having the cavity. Put a pan under it to catch drippings for gravy and keep the pan from drying out.

OriginalGeek

(12,132 posts)
10. Ooooh, I hadn't considered the pan
Wed Nov 11, 2015, 04:22 PM
Nov 2015

I'll have to investigate the splatchthingy - hadn't thought about that either. Thanks!

BarbaRosa

(2,684 posts)
13. Here's a page with a ton of info about turkey.
Wed Nov 11, 2015, 06:08 PM
Nov 2015

Last edited Wed Nov 11, 2015, 07:58 PM - Edit history (1)

http://amazingribs.com/recipes/chicken_turkey_duck/ultimate_smoked_turkey.html

I'm thinking about butterflying (spatchcock) one this year. I've done chickens that way and it works great.

OriginalGeek

(12,132 posts)
42. thank you!
Mon Nov 16, 2015, 01:19 PM
Nov 2015

I'm reading so much now during work hours I may have to invite my boss so he'll "forget" to check the firewall logs!

trof

(54,256 posts)
14. You might try combo grill smoker/indoor oven.
Wed Nov 11, 2015, 07:41 PM
Nov 2015

I see you have a steel smoker box, that's good.
It takes a hell of a long time to smoke a turkey till done, even with something like the Cajun Cooker smoker grill.

I'd try smoking raw bird for an hour or so in intense smoke, maybe with a dry rub, then roast it in the oven till done. Should have a nice smoky flavor.

1/4 lb. of meat per person is standard allowance.
Maybe a bit more to allow for carcass weight.

jmowreader

(50,553 posts)
23. That's what I was thinking...
Thu Nov 12, 2015, 11:47 PM
Nov 2015

except I would smoke for two hours and then move it to the oven. One hour won't give you much smoke flavor.

Nac Mac Feegle

(969 posts)
15. I've smoked a few, in my time
Wed Nov 11, 2015, 08:07 PM
Nov 2015

But I know where to get the proper rolling papers and I use a propane torch keep them lit.

The biggest thing is temperature control. You have to have enough heat to cook, but not enough to burn. Look for instructions for your particular type of grill/smoker. Get a probe type electronic thermometer, preferably one with the probe on a 3-foot long cable, so you don't have to open the lid and lose heat. There are even some with a "remote", where you leave the probe and a small box next to the grill, and can read the temp from 'most anywhere around the house. Most have alarms to let you know when the desired temp is reached.

Brining is good, but look closely to make sure your turkey isn't already 'needled', and injected with a flavor enhancing liquid (mostly salt). You'd be 'double brinig' the turkey, and it will be inedibly salty. (Don't ask, just don't. Please) Alton Brown from the Food Network has a really good primer on brining turkeys from one of his Good Eats episodes. It has a lot of tips and info.

Spatchcocking is a way that greatly accelerates getting the bird cooked, as it gives a greater surface area to face the heat source. I had an incident one year with a bird that was just too large for the rotisserie (that's how Wife wanted it that year). It hung up on a piece of the inside of the grill, and stayed stationary wjile the spit spun. Cooked on one area, but raw everywhere else. I butterflied and transferred to the oven, and it was done in about 40 minutes. One wing and one drumstick were a bit overdone from the extended proximity to the heat element, but everything else was just dandy.

The wood used for smoking should be a pretty mild one, fruitwood such as apple or citrus is best. If you use mesquite, the long time to get a turkey done will make the flavor way too intense. Remember, smoking accents the flavor of the meat.

Plan your meal out so that the bird is ready a bit before the other stuff is, so you can let it 'rest'. Have the turkey waiting on the potatoes, not the other way 'round.

Make sure your propane tank is full a day or two before, or that you have plenty of charcoal or soaked smoking chips on hand. Running out of gas with a half-done turkey on a holiday is Not A Good Thing.

Read up on what you want to do, and plan out your operation. Make lists of what you need and where it should be when it's needed. Make a 'shopping list' and check off each item to make sure you get it.

My philosophy is: The bird died for you, treat its' sacrifice with respect and do it up right.

Research and planning are the keys. When you have everything ready to go, and you know what you're going to do and when to do it, it all comes out right. A lot less stress for you, and when it comes out perfect (or close), the "audience" is really impressed.

Good luck.

trof

(54,256 posts)
20. Sometimes I use pecan wood. A lot of pecan groves down here in coastal Alabama.
Thu Nov 12, 2015, 07:29 PM
Nov 2015

It's free. Just drive out into a grove and there's always branches on the ground.
Grove owner is glad for you to clean them up.

OriginalGeek

(12,132 posts)
40. I was just up in Georgia last week
Mon Nov 16, 2015, 01:11 PM
Nov 2015

and my cousins there have a lot of pecan trees but I was working and didn't get a chance to swing up that far. I'll have to keep them in mind.

What I need is a walnut hook-up - I found a great tutorial for making leather dye from walnuts and I'd like to try it.

OriginalGeek

(12,132 posts)
41. Wow thanks!
Mon Nov 16, 2015, 01:17 PM
Nov 2015

Lots of great info there. Wife is on side-dish duty so I'll make sure to coordinate with her - I'm assuming she knows how long the other stuff takes lol.


I am reasonably certain I can control the temperature better on the gas side so I will probably cook on that side and use the smoke box full of mesquite in there and just take it out after an appropriate amount of time .

Will also look up Alton's advice - I have a couple books autographed by him bc he came through town a while back doing a presentation and signing. He was more entertaining in real life than on his show and I love Good Eats.

panader0

(25,816 posts)
16. My version, several years ago:
Wed Nov 11, 2015, 09:52 PM
Nov 2015

I took loose 8x8x16 block (as a bricklayer, I have many of these) and made a rectangle,
32"X48"X2 feet tall. I made a fire inside with mesquite, adding more wood for an hour or so.
Then I spread the ashes to each side, leaving enough room in the middle for the turkey
in the middle in a baking pan. I covered the block with a piece of steel I had, then some
block on top. It was mesquite smoked tender.

OriginalGeek

(12,132 posts)
39. THAT sounds awesome
Mon Nov 16, 2015, 01:08 PM
Nov 2015

but far beyond my current capabilities - I'm more of a brick knocker-downer than a -layer...

hopemountain

(3,919 posts)
17. it's been about 11 years
Thu Nov 12, 2015, 02:48 AM
Nov 2015

since i smoked a turkey. used the tall smokey joe backyard smoker. did not brine the 14lb turkey - kept it on a slow oak and soaked mesquite smoke. it takes 12 hours this way. tender, not dry, medium smoke flavor.. delicious.

trof

(54,256 posts)
21. Never liked oak smoke.
Thu Nov 12, 2015, 07:42 PM
Nov 2015

I dunno, it just tastes too harsh for me.
I guess 'technically' it's a nut tree (acorns?).
I like apple, pecan, hickory.
Mesquite is OK, but Miz. t doesn't like it, so I don't use it.
Wonder how peach would taste?

Different strokes for different folks, I guess.

hopemountain

(3,919 posts)
26. they can overpower -
Sat Nov 14, 2015, 02:36 AM
Nov 2015

it is what i had and what i grew up - so perhaps i have a tolerance for it because i don't care for the sweet smoked meats or jerky.

yes, different strokes. although i would have loved the apricot and peach wood from my grandpa's farm if i'd known my uncle was going to pull them all out. grrrrr. old family feud.

OriginalGeek

(12,132 posts)
37. Mesquite is just what I grew up with
Mon Nov 16, 2015, 01:06 PM
Nov 2015

in Texas - I had to get used to hickory when I moved to FL because that's what everybody uses but I'll make sure to not overpower the bird. Well, I'll make sure to try not to lol. My grandpa still raves about those ribs so I musta did something right...

hopemountain

(3,919 posts)
51. ribs can take the mesquite -
Tue Nov 17, 2015, 08:48 PM
Nov 2015

and, i like mesquite smoked ribs. however, mesquite can overpower the poultry and some fish.
the most awesome smoked trout i ever had was oak, mesquite, and apple smoked. omg. but i really think it had more to do with the trout which were from eagle lake, lassen county, northern california.

OriginalGeek

(12,132 posts)
29. If I wasn't doing this at my Grandpa's house
Mon Nov 16, 2015, 12:51 PM
Nov 2015

I'd be all over that. Grandpa don't take kindly to no drinkin and smokin. lol.

(He has the best back porch/patio for this kind of thing so we keep our grill there.)

lastlib

(23,208 posts)
24. No!NO!NO!
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 12:49 AM
Nov 2015

You **COOK** the turkey--you SMOKE the other stuff!

. .

(Oh. guess I should've read the whole thing......! Never mind............... )

Wolf Frankula

(3,600 posts)
25. Will You Do It the Way Nat. E. Dread Did?
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 01:50 PM
Nov 2015


Do we bake the bird? No! No! No!

Do we fry the bird? No! No! No!

We smoke it!

He's doing a pigeon, but the principle is the same.

Wolf

Major Nikon

(36,827 posts)
27. I've smoked many a turkey
Sat Nov 14, 2015, 02:25 PM
Nov 2015

I haven't done it on a grill, but it should work fine. Here's my advice:

Temperature can be regulated by airflow so if you can control the airflow, you can control the temperature (somewhat).

I suggest you smoke it for ~2 hours and then finish it in the oven. Many experienced smokers do it just this way because it doesn't take that long to smoke and it's just easier finishing the cook in the oven because you don't have to worry about controlling the temperature. Don't go overboard with the smoke. You only need enough wood chips to last about 2 hours. If you put too much smoke on the meat, it will taste like ass. I only use about 1/3rd of a cup of chips, but my smoker has very little airflow and a very controlled burn on the chips. You may need a bit more.

If you want to smoke meats often, you may want to get a smoker. Many people have good luck with the cheap Brinkmann models. I have the SmokinTex 1100, which while pretty small is adequate for my needs. I can do a 14lb bird in mine. They make bigger models, but the 1100 sells for about $350-400. The great thing about mine is it's totally set and forget. You just put the wood and meat inside, stick in a temperature probe, turn it on and pull it out when it's done and it turns out perfect every time. The design of the smoker is simple, yet brilliant.

OriginalGeek

(12,132 posts)
33. Glad you guys are telling me this
Mon Nov 16, 2015, 12:57 PM
Nov 2015

I wasn't sure how long to keep smoke on the bird.

I'm gonna attach my smoker attachment to the grill and see how that goes (in the future - not for this thanksgiving) but I imagine, like you said, if I end up liking it enough to do it a lot I'll need to get the dedicated smoker like my boss did before he gave me the attachment.

Major Nikon

(36,827 posts)
50. I like my smoker a lot
Mon Nov 16, 2015, 09:14 PM
Nov 2015

I smoke all sorts of things with it. About 30 minutes of hickory smoke on a grass fed steak is phenomenal. I do fish, beef roasts, brisket, pork shoulder, pork tenderloins, chicken, turkey, and ribs. I have a fan accessory that I use for making jerky. It's pretty much as simple as using an oven.

OriginalGeek

(12,132 posts)
30. lol
Mon Nov 16, 2015, 12:53 PM
Nov 2015

just double wrap it. I always liked the Joker 1.5s - my friends complained I always used bedsheets. Been a while though so haven't got caught up on all the new gadgets.

aikoaiko

(34,169 posts)
32. I wouldn't smoke a turkey for the first time for a big holiday dinner if you have guests
Mon Nov 16, 2015, 12:57 PM
Nov 2015

Turkeys are easy to dry out.

But on the other hand - YOLO!

OriginalGeek

(12,132 posts)
34. I was having reservations
Mon Nov 16, 2015, 01:01 PM
Nov 2015

but then my wife's cranky aunt said it would be a disaster and started questioning everything we were considering so I gotta do it just to spite her. She of the never-cooked-anything persuasion.

Burgers on standby for backup lol.

Close friends and family only and not a whole bunch of people anyway so no matter what happens, i'm OK with the result. Either we get to eat good food or we have a funny story.

Xyzse

(8,217 posts)
44. Oooohhh..
Mon Nov 16, 2015, 01:34 PM
Nov 2015

I can't tell you much about that, but I am going to spice up my Turkey like:



I will prepare it a few days before my actual cooking...

Good luck!

Xyzse

(8,217 posts)
49. It was friggin delicious.
Mon Nov 16, 2015, 03:25 PM
Nov 2015

The first time I made it that way, I brined the Turkey.

This year, I am just going to not brine and just prepare it a few days in advance, effectively "Salting" the Turkey...

I can't wait!

Nac Mac Feegle

(969 posts)
55. Just in case you're still looking for info:
Sat Nov 21, 2015, 07:49 PM
Nov 2015

This place is really good for cooking info:

http://www.seriouseats.com/

They have a Thanksgiving centered format up now.

OriginalGeek

(12,132 posts)
56. I'll be studying up until we eat
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 11:52 AM
Nov 2015

And then maybe after if things went so badly we end up cooking the back-up hamburgers and I need to learn why. lol
Thanks!

The good news is we are doing the dinner on Saturday to accommodate everyone's other families and schedules. So I basically have 2 days off prior to cooking to mess things up really good.

OriginalGeek

(12,132 posts)
57. In case anyone was wondering
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 12:22 PM
Nov 2015

I've read and I hear you - Mesquite may be too overpowering for a turkey. I'll go with hickory mostly but might stick a little exotic something or other in there if I see something laying around that looks burnable.

Lol, how does citrus wood do in this application? We got TONS of orange trees.

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