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Related: Culture Forums, Support ForumsAm I the only one who thinks The Beatles are overrated hacks?
And who thinks their music sucks and suffers from crappy writing? Not trying to piss off Beatles fans. I'm just stating my opinion and trying to see if there others out there like me.
But I understand it's an opinion, one with which I disagree.
Iggo
(47,549 posts)Yes, you are.
Drum
(9,154 posts)Tuesday Afternoon
(56,912 posts)Drum
(9,154 posts)uriel1972
(4,261 posts)but stuff like "I am the Walrus" rocked my socks when I was about 6 or 7 and I still like it.
Trajan
(19,089 posts)as one of Lennon's greatest compositions, lyrically and musically ...along with A Day in the Life, All You Need is Love, Strawberry Fields, ... really ... countless great Beatles songs ... it was an embarrassment of riches ...
Bucky
(53,997 posts)Sanity Claws
(21,846 posts)Hoyt
(54,770 posts)leftyohiolib
(5,917 posts)Hoyt
(54,770 posts)Chan790
(20,176 posts)That's not apocryphal. My stepfather owns everything ever released by both Pat Boone and The Beatles.
De gustibus non est disputandum. ("In matters of taste, there can be no disputes."
I'm not a Beatles fan.
Pat Boone is useful for torturing people.
Old and In the Way
(37,540 posts):lmao:
leftyohiolib
(5,917 posts)Hoyt
(54,770 posts)leftyohiolib
(5,917 posts)good music rarely makes it into mainstream so most are ignorant to it. they hear what is played
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)The production required to produce recorded music for the masses ruins it, IMO. Worse, big arena concerts suck too.
Personally, I'm not that big a fan of the Beatles, although I liked their early stuff in the 1960s. Big productions, and stuff made for consumption, not so much. But, can't deny that they produced something that people liked and felt, over and over and over.
I'll stick to my love of singer/songwriters in a small room, and indie musicians playing for the love of music and little glory/cash.
Dash87
(3,220 posts)Yep
Phentex
(16,334 posts)not my cup of tea but somebody loves her. Don't think you can judge by sales alone, imo.
I wouldn't put kesha or taylor swift in any category with the Beatles!
Vashta Nerada
(3,922 posts)It doesn't make him a talented musician.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)randr
(12,409 posts)UncleYoder
(233 posts)them's fighting words, mister.
uriel1972
(4,261 posts)bluesbassman
(19,370 posts)But they were pretty good.
Myrina
(12,296 posts)& I'm a child of the 60's ...
Xyzse
(8,217 posts)If they came in around now, I doubt that they would get that big, there are many talented amazing individuals out there. Youtube can attest to that.
Still, they introduced quite a few innovations to music, particularly the way they were produced.
The fading in and out of music is an innovation that they popularized.
Sure, their words might not be the best, but they were experimental enough to go beyond convention.
pintobean
(18,101 posts)now would be a lot different than it is.
So in "Historical" context, they were pretty damn awesome.
antiquie
(4,299 posts)edbermac
(15,938 posts)Geez.
walkerbait41
(302 posts)but if you had said that in this house their would have been a 'REVOLUTION"
CanSocDem
(3,286 posts)...than their music. Maybe you had to 'be there' but it was a cultural thing, an awakening of sorts that made it OK to grow our hair long, for one thing, and to wear sports jackets that had no lapels. Mind blowing stuff!!
They had a new style far different than the Elvis's and Bobby's of the day. They basically told us, an entire generation, that it was OK to be ourselves. They, along with other cultural hero's of the time, did with, skill and grace, change the acceptable bonds of behaviour that personified the 50's. Sexism, anti-semeticism, anti-communism and mass consumerism ruled the day, not to mention the war in Vietnam.
The Beatles were the soundtrack of the boomer generation. You either grew with the music or you were left behind.
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Old and In the Way
(37,540 posts)I was way more into the West Coast bands of the 60s and 70s. YMMV.
Trajan
(19,089 posts)The early years were derived from others ...
From Rubber Soul, forward ... fucking brilliant, original art rock music ...
Ask Trent Renoir or Dave Grohl what they think of the Beatles, and you will find they started playing music because of their love for Beatles music ... same here ...
EOTE
(13,409 posts)Is that the French impressionist industrial rocker, Trent Renoir?
rug
(82,333 posts)Taverner
(55,476 posts)aint_no_life_nowhere
(21,925 posts)I'm sure you're not the only one but I'm sure you're in the small minority. Even the great classical musician and composer Leonard Bernstein thought The Beatles were wonderful.
pscot
(21,024 posts)aint_no_life_nowhere
(21,925 posts)I wasn't aware of that. Chuck Berry would be surprised to know. Not to knock Elvis (I was never a fan but I've never liked dismissing any hard-working musician) but to suggest that Elvis was a creator and changed music while the Beatles did not is, in my opinion, a pretty mistaken and uninformed opinion.
pscot
(21,024 posts)Elvis wasn't a poet. He was a singer, straight up, as were almost all musicians at that time. But his arrival was like a stick of dynamite in the swimming hole. He blew Patty Page, Theresa Brewer, Frankie Lane, Gogi grant, the Four Lads, the Four Freshmen and god knows how many other crustless, wonderbread confections right out of the water.. Takes nothing away from Mr Berry or Fats Domino. An informed musicologist could argue that Louie Prima invented rock n roll. All those guys were more to my taste. I never really cared much for Elvis. But the guy was a genuine phenomenon. He certainly created a new kind of rock n roll just by his physical presence. He waggled his hips on tv (small, round, black and white screen) and the Empire trembled. All of a sudden there was air in the room.
aint_no_life_nowhere
(21,925 posts)in response to my statement that the Beatles changed it, it seemed to me that you were taking issue with that notion.
pscot
(21,024 posts)aint_no_life_nowhere
(21,925 posts)and playing (violin and guitar) and listening to music since the age of three. I went to the theater in 1956 when Elvis sang Love Me Tender. I remember listening to Hound Dog on the radio as a kid when it was brand new. Again, I have a habit of not liking to knock other musicians, but by suggesting that Elvis Presley was the first breath of fresh air after How Much Is That Doggie In The Window is contrary to everything I remember. Elvis didn't invent rhythm n' blues or rock and roll. In fact, his first recording was a cover of an Arthur Crudup R&B tune, almost identical to the original in musical style and delivery. Presley didn't write his own tunes or invent or create a musical movement. He made his rockabilly style very popular with a new generation of teens, it's true. But if you think Presley was influential (which he obviously was) and swept away previous genres, you've got to recognize that the Beatles did the same thing to Bill Haley and his successors, Presley, Bobby Vinton, Fabian, and the entire universe of slick-haired, teen idol solo-act stand up singers. And they did it by writing and performing their own personal stuff.
I was blown away in 1964 when I first heard this. It was as far away from the doo-wap and rockabilly I'd heard in malt shop juke boxes as I could imagine. True that the Beatles were less R&B influenced than the Stones but their tunes were pretty unique to me as a teen.
pscot
(21,024 posts)than you are. Until I was about 10 we had no tv. Music was in the doldrums. Big band was dying and Perry Como, Julius LaRosa and Vic Damone ruled the airwaves. Arthur Godfrey and Nashville were dictating the country's musical taste. I knew better. I used to lay in bed at night listening to Daddy O Daylie on WAIT out of Chicago playing jazz and blues. In that context, Elvis didn't impress me all that much, but the impact of Elvis on popular culture was sensational. I understand what the Beatles did. Their music is incredibly sophisticated and elegant compared to those 50's rockers and doo wop, but you have to understand where we'd come from, which was Nowhere land.
rurallib
(62,406 posts)Elvis couldn't carry Holly's jock.
And the Beatles also changed popular music.
pscot
(21,024 posts)datasuspect
(26,591 posts)eight to the bar.
aint_no_life_nowhere
(21,925 posts)Critics and musicologists like William Mann and Deryck Cooke hailed their originality. Leonard Bernstein described tunes like Eleanor Rigby and A Day In the Life and the album Revolver to be among the great works of the 20th century.
http://www.thecultureclub.net/2009/12/01/leonard-bernstein-from-mahler-to-the-beatles/
NoGOPZone
(2,971 posts)the Internet is full of "I'm so cool I don't like Beatles" types who are much more boring than the band ever was.
B Calm
(28,762 posts)was also a musician. He thought the Beatles were great.
redwitch
(14,944 posts)Love the Beatles!
Aristus
(66,316 posts)I told him the reason they don't sound like such a big deal nowadays is because the innovations that originated with them are now used by everybody. So when you go back to the source, it doesn't shake you up the way it would have with someone from those times listening to the music for the first time ever.
For example, when you listen to "I Want To Hold You Hand" these days, the sudden break in tempo in the middle of the song, which leads to "...And when I touch you, I feel happy inside..." doesn't sound like a big deal. But when the song was released it was unheard of to break tempo in the middle of a short single. Unheard of. That must have amazed a lot of people back then.
Also, Holly and The Beatles wrote their own songs, which was very rare back in the day, when record labels would hire a group to record songs written by a stable of acknowledged song-writers.
raccoon
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Ptah
(33,024 posts)Jetboy
(792 posts)But Chuck Berry's thread only got 2 replies to the dozens in this one so you may have a point about the overrated part.
Denis 11
(280 posts)blogslut
(37,999 posts)SamYeager
(309 posts)femmocrat
(28,394 posts)Blasphemy!
rurallib
(62,406 posts)they were at the leading edge of social and cultural change that rocked the world and upset the norms of life.
Hard to understand what the Beatles meant in toto unless you lived through it.
As for the music, they were always two steps ahead. While others were doing "moon ... spoon ..... June" they were doing "Rubber Soul"
But 50 years later out of context maybe they weren't much.
But that Justin Bieber ------------------- he's the greatest ain't he? <sarcasm for the humor impaired>
kwassa
(23,340 posts)lunamagica
(9,967 posts)LiberalElite
(14,691 posts)You could have fooled me.
lastlib
(23,213 posts)They are emphatically NOT hacks. While they may not have been the most talented musicians, they were incredibly innovative lyrically, and had an amazing ability to tap the emotions of the human race. Yes, they deserve their place in history, whether you like it or not.
fishwax
(29,149 posts)geardaddy
(24,926 posts)TorchTheWitch
(11,065 posts)Never could figure out what was considered so great about them.
I'm sick to death of them. At this point every time I hear one of their songs I have the urge to stuff a long pointy stick in my ear.
TeamPooka
(24,221 posts)Joe Shlabotnik
(5,604 posts)They were a fantastic band that peaked between 65-68. McCartney should have gone off on his own and wrote broadway-musical/pap shit.
Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)He flew for a while with WINGS. And some people consider the Beatles' last album, Abbey Road, to be one of their best (excluding "Maxwell's Silver Hammer", of course).
applegrove
(118,622 posts)fine album.
Inkfreak
(1,695 posts)I understand how they changed music & helped start a culture. But I'm 34, that music does not resonate with me. As I suspect Pantera wouldn't resonate with a lot of Beattles fans.
That aside, how could a musical genius like Lennon marry a tone deaf hack like Yoko??? Does not compute. And why does Rolling Stones always give her shit positive reviews?? Unacceptable, people....
pipi_k
(21,020 posts)subjective.
There are popular artists I think suck.
And there are artists/groups lots of people make fun of that I like.
If we all had the same tastes, it would get real boring, wouldn't it.
Even among people who would agree that the Beatles are the best thing since sliced bread, you'll find some who think this or that album was THE BEST, and argue over that.
I like the Beatles, but not everything they did.
I like Led Zeppelin better, but even they had some stinkers that I hate.
That's life...
A Simple Game
(9,214 posts)with the Beatles is the amount of radio air time they got. During that same time frame there were so many excellent bands that got little or no air time because of the amount used up by Beatle songs.
This was a time when people got recording contracts for the most part because of their talent and emotion not their looks. I think the Beatles started the change or probably were just a sign of that change.
Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)I remember a LOT of '60s artists who got air time on the radio in my neck of the woods--
Dionne Warwick, Diana Ross, Gary Puckett and the Union Gap, Roger Miller, Petula Clark, Nancy Sinatra, Neil Diamond, Herb Alpert and the Tijuana Brass, and Peter, Paul and Mary, among others. There were also many music programs on TV that featured these and other artists as well, and some even had their own regular TV shows, like Dean Martin, Buck Owens/Roy Clark, Porter Wagonner, and Liberace. I think even The Mamas and The Papas had their own show for a while. And The Monkees had a show on Saturday morning. But the only places where I could hear British Invasion stuff were at the skating rink and public pool-- and even then, there was a dearth of Beatles and Stones songs.
BlueJazz
(25,348 posts)...from a former studio musician...just say so. I don't want to post it here.
mulsh
(2,959 posts)I prefer their earlier stuff, written when they were still having fun being in the band. The final stuff, after Mystery Tour mostly sounds like dirges to me. "Only A Norther Song" definitely told the story.
Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)They used a wide variety of instruments in their music, including cellos, trumpets, sitars, pianos, and violins, among others, and incorporated many types of musical influences, including classical.
frogmarch
(12,153 posts)Whether one likes their music isnt important, and to me, neither is their music. I loved the Beatles for starting some new trends here in America: longer hairstyles for guys (yay, so long, boring crewcuts!), the focus on bands instead of individual singers, Edwardian-style suits (worn with those awesome collarless shirts), and later, paisley suits, and then brightly colored shirts and pants with, omg...floral patterns! I loved it that finally, guys got to do fashion right along with us girls. I liked Beatles music okay, but I was crazy about their hair, clothing, and oh, yeah, their pointy boots!
BEATLES FOREVER!
Vashta Nerada
(3,922 posts)I have never cared for the Beatles either.
Arkansas Granny
(31,514 posts)Miles Archer
(18,837 posts)...and if you were and still feel that way, you're entitled to your opinion.
I go back and listen to all of the artists who deeply affected me in "The Summer of Love" (1967), and in 2013, I still see genius as well as artists who were red hot in the moment and haven't really stood the test of time.
The Beatles? Still a fan.
Buffalo Springfield? A couple of Stephen Stills' career-best songs like "Pretty Girl Why" and "Rock & Roll Woman" and EMBRYONIC Neil Young. I feel that his solo career overshadowed EVERYTHING he did in Springfield.
Jefferson Airplane & The Grateful Dead? Hey, they were high, and so was the audience (I was too young). I still get cold chills when I listen to some of their songs, but BOTH bands recorded LEGENDARY amounts of SHIT that wasn't fun then and isn't fun now.
HENDRIX? A god then, a god now.
And so on, and so forth.
valerief
(53,235 posts)DFW
(54,349 posts)I am a part of a group that takes well-known songs and puts new texts to them for a year-end revue every year. Songs of most well-known groups are often used, but the ones that turn out to be the most complicated to do (and this is a fairly sophisticated crowd musically) are always Beatles songs. There are always little twists and turns in the chord structure or the scanning or the rhythm that confound people trying to sing their tunes. This is why so many people that like to sing along with their records always fell flat when trying to reproduce the songs on their own. SO much of the Beatles' material contained much more than a once-off casual listen revealed, I think that is why their music endures. If everyone could do it, it WOULD boring. But to a musician it is anything but boring.
wickerwoman
(5,662 posts)Some of their early stuff is trite (but still catchy) and some of their later stuff is self-indulgent but name a single artist/band today that can put their catalogue up against "Across the Universe", "Let It Be", "Strawberry Fields Forever", "Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds", "Happiness is a Warm Gun", "Eleanor Rigby", "Blackbird", "If I Needed Someone", "With A Little Help From My Friends", "Nowhere Man", "Hey Jude", "Mother Nature's Son", "The Long and Winding Road", etc.
Then remember that they were doing all this 45 years ago and commence weeping into your tea.
aint_no_life_nowhere
(21,925 posts)Yesterday is one of the most covered tunes by other artists in the entire history of recorded music. Yesterday was voted the No. 1 Pop song of all time by MTV and Rolling Stone magazine and in 1997, the song was inducted into the Grammy Hall of Fame. Broadcast Music Incorporated (BMI) asserts that it was performed over seven million times in the 20th century alone.
And I still love the excitement in their early tunes, like I Saw Her Standing There. And If I Fell, although an early one, is as good as anything they wrote.
Edit to add In My Life, one of the most poignant and beautiful things ever written by anyone. How could I leave this out.
aint_no_life_nowhere
(21,925 posts)I know music is subjective but it's hard for me to believe that anyone could dismiss this amazingly crafted ballad as this Lennon-McCartney composition is and call it the work of "hacks". Maybe if you're accustomed to the musical tradition on the planet Mars I can understand. But if you are a member of western society and have grown up in its musical traditions, there are certain objective standards of quality and most Beatles compositions are representative of that. The Beatles are the first group, right from the start, that had hit 45 after hit 45 where BOTH A and B sides were terrific songs.
Still Blue in PDX
(1,999 posts)Even their name is derivative of Buddy Holly and the Crickets.
They took a little bit of different types of music and created something truly their own. I loved them when I was a kid -- I was 10-ish when I first heard them, and heretofore had listened to Glenn Miller (my dad), Rosemary Clooney (my mom) and Danny and the Juniors (my brother), et al -- and still get goosebumps when I sing and clap along with I Wanna Hold Your Hand.
Having said that, I don't understand how or why they became the phenomenon that they were.
raccoon
(31,110 posts)on records and other Beatles paraphernalia.
Demo_Chris
(6,234 posts)Your mileage may vary.
Violet_Crumble
(35,961 posts)Kind of bland and boring, but very easy to listen to when yr not in a thinking mood. The only good songs the Beatles ever did was Helter Skelter and 'You've Got To Hide Your Love Away'
You are the only one.
JoeyT
(6,785 posts)There are a small handful of songs I really like by them, the rest I'm pretty bleh about.
They were before my time, though, so maybe I'd feel differently if I was around for it.
nomorenomore08
(13,324 posts)I don't see how anyone can completely dismiss the Beatles, unless they just don't like "pop" music period.
B Calm
(28,762 posts)Paladin
(28,252 posts)The Beatles are still wonderful, as far as I'm concerned.
joeybee12
(56,177 posts)Bucky
(53,997 posts)They were John-Philip Sousa on acid. Some of that early stuff was almost listenable.
RFKHumphreyObama
(15,164 posts)On my local radio station who has spent most of his three-hour program for the last four nights droning on and on about the Beatles and seemingly very little else of substance, bordering on the verge of the obsessively ridiculous. It's kind of like listening to a one-man imitation of a media circus -he's trying to milk it from every angle he possibly can non-stop long after he's got anything new to offer. The sad thing is that, as someone born well after the Beatles period, I love hearing about what life, music, politics and everything else was like during that era but am turned off by this guy's inability to let go of the topic and instead allowing it to oversaturate his program day after day. If he goes on like this in real life, he must be a real bore at parties
OK, now that I've got that rant over, back to the question.
Despite the tendency of some fans (see my first paragraph) to go over the top about them to the point of boring everyone else to death (a phenomena found in most genres of fandom, I note), I love the Beatles and their music and don't find them either overrated or hacks. I love the diversity of their music, the rich, unique, meaningful, poignant beautiful and sometimes downright bizarre lyrics and their exploration of different genres. Some songs are obviously better than others but that's no different than any other song writer or group. I can definitely understand why they were so big then and why their music resonates through the generations today. I wish I'd been alive for the time when they were at their peak in popularity.
MadrasT
(7,237 posts)I don't get what the big deal is. Not my cup of tea.
I can't exactly say it "sucks", but rather just "I don't care for it."
MrMickeysMom
(20,453 posts)I am betting it varies by age.
By the way... YES!
deutsey
(20,166 posts)I'm just not one of them.
Burma Jones
(11,760 posts)Nyah Nyah Nyah.....
Dyedinthewoolliberal
(15,566 posts)that makes you a "Nowhere Man"
I'm pretty sure Liam Gallagher from Oasis does, too.
geardaddy
(24,926 posts)but the older I get, the less I like them. I tend to go for newer stuff.
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trueblue2007
(17,205 posts)okieinpain
(9,397 posts)Brain cells
cui bono
(19,926 posts)I have the same feeling sometimes when I see older films that are considered classic or an important work of cinema. But when you look at something like that in the context of when it came out. You have to think about what else was out at the time and if it was innovative for its time, and did it break new ground. Then you can appreciate it more. Even if you don't like it or think it's simple, you can see how at the time it was the new and different thing.