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Mon Sep 2, 2013, 05:50 PM

Breaking Bad: I do not understand that whole Walt-poisoned-Brock complication.

I already tried googling explanations and nada. Each explanation keeps referring to something that happened in another episode and it just confuses me.

So here are my questions:

(1) I remember Walt planted the ricin cigarette in the vaccuum cleaner to ease Jesse's mind about accidentally poisoning Brock, so I assume the real ricin had been used by then? (Or am I confusing episodes?)

(2) Why did Walt poison Brock?

(3) Why did Jesse make a big deal about his pot getting stolen? I don't see how this all connected to his epiphany of the ricin used as poisoning Brock.

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Reply Breaking Bad: I do not understand that whole Walt-poisoned-Brock complication. (Original post)
Baitball Blogger Sep 2013 OP
Heddi Sep 2013 #1
Baitball Blogger Sep 2013 #8
Heddi Sep 2013 #13
Baitball Blogger Sep 2013 #14
Heddi Sep 2013 #16
taterguy Sep 2013 #2
Baitball Blogger Sep 2013 #9
taterguy Sep 2013 #15
Baitball Blogger Sep 2013 #18
RainDog Sep 2013 #3
Baitball Blogger Sep 2013 #10
Earth_First Sep 2013 #4
RainDog Sep 2013 #5
Earth_First Sep 2013 #6
Baitball Blogger Sep 2013 #11
blogslut Sep 2013 #7
Baitball Blogger Sep 2013 #12
BlueJazz Sep 2013 #17
Baitball Blogger Sep 2013 #19

Response to Baitball Blogger (Original post)

Mon Sep 2, 2013, 05:56 PM

1. Go here and read this blog, it lays it all out

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Response to Heddi (Reply #1)

Mon Sep 2, 2013, 07:28 PM

8. It took me ALL afternoon to follow it,

but I get it now. Thanks!

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Response to Baitball Blogger (Reply #8)

Mon Sep 2, 2013, 08:18 PM

13. It took a while for me, too (spoilers)

I only started watching around the beginning of Season 5 pt 1, and I had watched all the episodes of the previous 4 seasons on Netflix in a total binge-n-purge style...sometimes, when my husband was at work and I was home alone, I'd be able to watch an entire season in 2 days.

So some things got a little fuzzy, timelines and stuff like that.

Also, it was pointed out in that article (or another one) that while it's been 2 years of TV-Watcher time between season 4 and now, in "Breaking Bad" time it's only been a couple of months, and from the first episode until now is less than 2 years time in Breaking Bad time.

I nearly bite my nails to nubs each episode. I thought I was going to have a brain hemorrhage at the end of last season, where Hank was on the toilet and found the book.

Last week, the taped confession...oh god. what. ev. er. I was DYING.

then this past week, when they showed....

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the continued version of Jesse and the gas can in the house...and what made him change his mind...I yelped! I literally made a yelping sound. I'm glad no one was around.

The writers have stated that no major characters die before episode 5 of this season. This past week was episode 4.

SO it goes that next week we'll start seeing some people take a one-way trip to belize.

What are your predictions of how it goes down? Me, I thought I knew but I have no idea. I never thought that Jesse would...make the decision he made in this last episode. So all my guesses are up in smoke.

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Response to Heddi (Reply #13)

Mon Sep 2, 2013, 08:28 PM

14. My hunch

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This will only hold true if Jesse becomes a rabid dog. But what would hurt Walt the most is getting to his son. I think Jesse wants Walt to live long enough to see the one thing that was pure in all those years, become tarnished from the very illegal business that Walt excelled at.

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Response to Baitball Blogger (Reply #14)

Mon Sep 2, 2013, 10:41 PM

16. I think you'll end up being right -- Spoilers

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Last night, when Jesse thought the bald dude was there to take him out, and he called Walt, he said "I'll get you where you live" or something to that effect.

I've seen NUMEROUS blogs/discussion boards/talks with friends that have all predicted that something nasty will happen to Walt Jr. I mean, besides being a breakfast whore, he's the only person in the series with any redeeming qualities (I said last night "oh Jr only wants to go to a hotel because of the breakfast buffet...).

There has been a lot of foreshadowing in past seasons about Walt Jr getting in a car accident, so I wonder if that plays in it?

The main point of speculation I've read/heard is that Walt Jr gets into Meth. I personally don't see that happening, but who knows. Walt used a kid to get his way, and Jesse *is* a quick study.....

But I do see Walt Jr getting the shit end of the stick somehow. He's the only one not tainted by greed and nastiness. He's the only truly innocent person in this entire series.

That makes him a sitting duck

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Response to Baitball Blogger (Original post)

Mon Sep 2, 2013, 06:09 PM

2. I do not understand why people put fucking spoilers in fucking headers

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Response to taterguy (Reply #2)

Mon Sep 2, 2013, 07:31 PM

9. I just live to torment you, dont I?

I didn't give anything away that wasn't established a season ago.

If you watched Breaking Bad, you'd know that. The audience had already been given enough clues to figure it out.

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Response to Baitball Blogger (Reply #9)

Mon Sep 2, 2013, 08:49 PM

15. What if I'm a couple seasons behind?

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Response to taterguy (Reply #15)

Tue Sep 3, 2013, 12:34 AM

18. Then I'm safely within the statue of limitations

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Response to Baitball Blogger (Original post)

Mon Sep 2, 2013, 06:22 PM

3. spoilerific

1. Walt first gave Jesse the ricin to use on Gus. Jesse put it in a cigarette and checked it each time he changed his pack.

(This is ricin Walt made in the super lab. Prior to this ricin, Walt made ricin to give to Tuco that was in meth, then in a burrito, then on the floor, courtesy of Tio Hector.)

1, still. Jesse never used it against Gus. At this time, Gus was trying to get Jesse to agree to kill Walt. Jesse wouldn't, but he also had no use for Walt. Walt was trying to find a way to get to Gus but Gus wouldn't let Walt near him.

1, still. Walt sat by the pool spinning his gun. The gun stopped and pointed to a lilly of the valley plant.

1, still. Saul called Jesse to his office for an important meeting. When he arrived, Huell frisked Jesse. Unknown to Jesse, Huell took the cigarette pack with ricin and substituted a pack without.

1, still. off camera, (this is where it's dicey) Walt got the lilly of the valley into Brock's juice box at school (so said Vince Gilligan.) Brock got sick, went to the hospital, Jesse saw the ricin cigarette wasn't in his pack, assumed he had poisoned Brock by accident, or worse.

1, still. AND 2 - Jesse went to Walt to accuse him of poisoning Brock. Jesse laid out the correct scenario - that Huell swiped the cigs - but Walt denied it. Walt said that only Gus had signed off on killing kids (Andrea's brother) so this moment turned Jesse from Gus to Walt. Walt had poisoned Brock with lilly of the valley, but Jesse didn't know this until later. At that moment, up until Gus dies, Jesse assumed Brock has been poisoned with ricin.

back to 1, still. Jesse obsessed over the cigarette when he learned Brock wasn't poisoned by ricin, so Walt created a fake ricin cigarette and planted it at Jesse's place and helped Jesse find it. That one got flushed. Walt put the real Gus ricin behind the wall socket plate - this is what he retrieves in the flash forward in this season.

3. Jesse didn't want to give up his pot because he has been high on something for most of the series. Saul had Huell take it because "the guy" wouldn't care about Jesse's wants when trying to disappear him.

3, still. While waiting for "the guy," Jesse decides to get high. Can't find the pot. Instead finds a pack of cigarettes. Jesse connects his original assumption about who did the poisoning (which he had already talked about with Walt) to the missing pot. At this point, Jesse is afraid Walt is going to kill him - or, for all he knows, "the guy" is going to literally disappear him.

3, still. But Jesse realizes that Saul, Huell and Walt all conspired against him to kill Gus. The reason he ultimately cares about this is because Brock was used to do this. Jesse has always shown a soft spot for kids - and in Brock's case, this was a kid he cared about, too.

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Response to RainDog (Reply #3)

Mon Sep 2, 2013, 07:35 PM

10. Thanks. That was helpful.

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Response to Baitball Blogger (Original post)

Mon Sep 2, 2013, 06:24 PM

4. Seriously?!

Come on man...I havent seen the last two episodes.

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Response to Earth_First (Reply #4)

Mon Sep 2, 2013, 06:27 PM

5. That spoiler in the headline is about season 4, not this one

The last shot of season 4 confirms the Walt thing.

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Response to RainDog (Reply #5)

Mon Sep 2, 2013, 06:30 PM

6. Phew!

Deep breaths...

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Response to Earth_First (Reply #6)

Mon Sep 2, 2013, 07:36 PM

11. The title doesn't give anything away that you shouldn't have known

before watching last night's episode.

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Response to Baitball Blogger (Original post)

Mon Sep 2, 2013, 06:43 PM

7. Ahem

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Response to blogslut (Reply #7)

Mon Sep 2, 2013, 07:39 PM

12. We need an emoticon with someone sticking their fingers in their ears for

Spoiler alert!

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Response to Baitball Blogger (Original post)

Mon Sep 2, 2013, 10:48 PM

17. Why did Jesse have to get shot on the rollercoaster ?

That was a drag...

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Response to BlueJazz (Reply #17)

Tue Sep 3, 2013, 12:35 AM

19. I think the pink cotton candy smeared with blood was a nice touch.

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