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Mon Jun 24, 2013, 11:53 PM

Is there not one working, full-blooded, Native American actor in Hollywood?

Could they not have cast Johnny Depp as The Lone Ranger, because people like him a lot, and an actual Native American as Tonto?

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Reply Is there not one working, full-blooded, Native American actor in Hollywood? (Original post)
jmowreader Jun 2013 OP
Yavin4 Jun 2013 #1
hopemountain Jun 2013 #2
jmowreader Jun 2013 #3
whistler162 Jun 2013 #18
lunatica Jun 2013 #7
dr.strangelove Jun 2013 #4
Chan790 Jun 2013 #9
life long demo Jun 2013 #5
charlie and algernon Jun 2013 #6
GoCubsGo Jun 2013 #8
Chan790 Jun 2013 #10
Paladin Jun 2013 #11
Xyzse Jun 2013 #12
Demoiselle Jun 2013 #13
graham4anything Jun 2013 #14
MrScorpio Jun 2013 #15
MicaelS Jun 2013 #16
jmowreader Jun 2013 #19
Callmecrazy Jun 2013 #17
hopemountain Jun 2013 #20

Response to jmowreader (Original post)

Mon Jun 24, 2013, 11:58 PM

1. That movie looks embarassing

To the point where I feel sorry for the performers.

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Response to jmowreader (Original post)

Tue Jun 25, 2013, 12:34 AM

2. no self respecting american indian would play "stupid"

"dumb" or "bad" or "deaf retarded" phony hollywood character to the white "he who knows more".

translated from the spanish, these are the derogatory meanings of "tonto" and "quemosabe".

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Response to hopemountain (Reply #2)

Tue Jun 25, 2013, 01:08 AM

3. Jay Silverheels must then have been a non-self-respecting American Indian

He being the actor who played Tonto in all but four episodes of the TV series.

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Response to jmowreader (Reply #3)

Tue Jun 25, 2013, 05:43 PM

18. WELL... he was Canadian after all!

;0

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Response to hopemountain (Reply #2)

Tue Jun 25, 2013, 08:39 AM

7. In the translated spanish version he's named Toro

Because you're right. Tonto means stupid.

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Response to jmowreader (Original post)

Tue Jun 25, 2013, 07:30 AM

4. Considering the source material, why would any self respecting native american want the role

Depp has the power to turn it into something great. He can take the character and give it his own voice. The source Tonto was a sidekick for comedy relief based on racism and prejudice.

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Response to dr.strangelove (Reply #4)

Tue Jun 25, 2013, 08:58 AM

9. From what I can gather from the commercials...

They're still playing the role for comic relief but the bits are reversed. Tonto is now the competent one and Kemosabe's somewhat of a dullard being dragged into his destiny by the Magical Indian who is also functioning as sidekick-ex-machina.

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Response to jmowreader (Original post)

Tue Jun 25, 2013, 08:20 AM

5. Thanks for the OP on the Lone Ranger

When I first saw the trailer for the move, I shouted out to the TV, that's not Tonto! Like Depp wasn't Jay Silverheels. I'm sorry, having grown up with Clayton Moore and Jay Silverheels, no one else can play those parts and be believable. I guess I'm just old.

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Response to jmowreader (Original post)

Tue Jun 25, 2013, 08:26 AM

6. Yeah, there's Adam Beach



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam_Beach

But the DUers above are correct, no self-respecting Native American would want to play Tonto.

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Response to charlie and algernon (Reply #6)

Tue Jun 25, 2013, 08:56 AM

8. He's actually Canadian.

But, still...

From the trailers I've seen of the film, Tonto is a strong character, and an equal, rather than a sidekick. It's kind of a shame that they couldn't find someone like Adam Beach to play the role, rather than Depp. Nothing against Johnny Depp, this Tonto seems far more a worthy role than the old TV version.

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Response to GoCubsGo (Reply #8)

Tue Jun 25, 2013, 09:21 AM

10. The problem is that this portrayal is no less racist.

From what I can gather from the commercials and reviews, they haven't made them equals...they've swapped the historical roles for comedic and plotting value rendering Kemosabe into a dullard embarking on a hero's quest and Tonto into some sort of Virgil-like Native American spiritual guide and sidekick-ex-machina consistently called-upon to rescue our burgeoning hero.

It's a version of what in media criticism is called "magical Native American" (sometimes, when the author wants to especially and immediately highlight exactly how racist this is, the term "Magical Injun" is used instead.). The fact is that this portrayal isn't any less racist...it typically robs the character of the capacity to be fully-formed and human by making them a sort of "noble savage" whose different ways (or racial magic) render them a solution to every problem.

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Response to jmowreader (Original post)

Tue Jun 25, 2013, 09:53 AM

11. Wes Studi is a little mature for the part, which is a shame.


I can't imagine they couldn't have done better than Depp. Further evidence of the full-scale cratering of the movie business---the good stuff is on TV, now......

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Response to jmowreader (Original post)

Tue Jun 25, 2013, 10:51 AM

12. See I had an idea of how the Lone Ranger might be cool

But making it similar to the relationship of Mani and the Chevalier Grégoire de Fronsac from Brotherhood of the Wolf. A reimagining of what may have happened in Gevaudon France, with the Beast of Gevaudon.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0237534/?ref_=sr_1

This was before they started talking about making a Lone Ranger with Johnny Depp. Of course, I wanted an R rated flick, but I am sure something gritty could be pulled off at PG 13. Had this idea while researching about Bass Reeves for fun.

Could probably also use someone like Justin Rain, Eddie Spears or something. Then again, I am going to regret saying this but, they could have looked at the cast of Twilight for someone. Ok, I still can't believe I said that.

I am now going to hang my head in shame.

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Response to jmowreader (Original post)

Tue Jun 25, 2013, 11:23 AM

13. Graham Greene...Except I just googled and he's from Canada.

He played Kevin Costner's friend in Dances with Wolves. He's a very talented and appealing actor.
But shouldn't the term Native American be a bit broader than just the continental US? Shouldn't it cover North and Central and South America as well?

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Response to jmowreader (Original post)

Tue Jun 25, 2013, 11:37 AM

14. Personally, I would like to see Johnny play without a mask again. It's been years.

 

at some point he actually was a really good actor doing small films.

Like that one with Brando.

but alas, no one goes to those, so he takes the big money.

But it seems like he is playing the same role over and over and over.

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Response to jmowreader (Original post)

Tue Jun 25, 2013, 11:39 AM

15. We never stop having this conversation about Hollywood, now do we? nt

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Response to jmowreader (Original post)

Tue Jun 25, 2013, 11:54 AM

16. Not one as "bankable" as Johnny Depp.

$$$$ rules Hollywood.

Example: Superman Returns grossed $400 million on a $200 million budget, and Warner was unhappy it didn't make $500 million so they rebooted Superman into Man of Steel, instead of doing a sequel to Superman Returns.

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Response to MicaelS (Reply #16)

Tue Jun 25, 2013, 07:37 PM

19. So make Johnny the Lone Ranger. He'd have been a good one

Then again, Johnny Depp prefers roles that require tons of makeup; he's basically the miniature Ron Perlman.

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Response to jmowreader (Original post)

Tue Jun 25, 2013, 05:40 PM

17. Native American is just a PC term...

Just like African American.
I don't know a single black friend of mine that uses the term.
And the Indians I know prefer to call themselves Indians, not Native Americans. I'm part Indian myself. I have ancestors from the Seneca Tribe of the Iroquois Nation from the Buffalo, NY. region.

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Response to Callmecrazy (Reply #17)

Tue Jun 25, 2013, 07:45 PM

20. same here

california chumash indian. it's respectful to ask people what they call themselves.

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