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Tue Jan 24, 2012, 01:55 PM

Scary Plane Landings: Video Of Dusseldorf Airport Landings


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Reply Scary Plane Landings: Video Of Dusseldorf Airport Landings (Original post)
madmom Jan 2012 OP
treestar Jan 2012 #1
CottonBear Jan 2012 #3
rrneck Jan 2012 #2
Major Nikon Jan 2012 #4
trof Jan 2012 #7
abbeyco Jan 2012 #5
trof Jan 2012 #6
Major Nikon Jan 2012 #8
trof Jan 2012 #11
elleng Jan 2012 #9
EvolveOrConvolve Jan 2012 #10
OxQQme Jan 2012 #12

Response to madmom (Original post)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 05:07 PM

1. Sort of mesmerizing

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Response to treestar (Reply #1)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 05:39 PM

3. ..in a horrifying sort of way.

Mental note to self: Don't ever fly into Dusseldorf.

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Response to madmom (Original post)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 05:30 PM

2. Sir, would you please get off the plane.

Sure, as soon as my ass lets go of the seat.

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Response to madmom (Original post)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 05:44 PM

4. Looks like about a 30 kt crosswind

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Response to Major Nikon (Reply #4)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 06:05 PM

7. Yeah, at least.

whew

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Response to madmom (Original post)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 05:49 PM

5. Yikes!

I was supposed to have flown into Dusseldorf this week and after seeing this, am extremely glad I won't have to make the trip as those kinds of landings are just too much for me.

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Response to madmom (Original post)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 06:04 PM

6. Been there, done that.

Unfortunately they weren't giving out T shirts.
Or maybe that WAS fortunate.
I'd have a few drawers full of T shirts.


Memory gets dimmer with the years (I retired in '99) but I think the effective crosswind limit for the 747 was 30-35 knots.
A steady state wind was a bit easier to handle than gusts.
And it always seemed to be gusty.


'Crab' into the wind until touchdown and then kick out the crab with rudder.

IIRC, Condor is (was?) a German charter carrier?

Anyway, once you got to the gate and shut 'er down, you and the mechanic would VERY CAREFULLY inspect the tires.
Those kind of landings really take a toll on the rubber.

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Response to trof (Reply #6)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 06:41 PM

8. My understanding is that most airlines have a crosswind component limit

...that is less than the manufacturers maximum demonstrated crosswind component landing. I'm wondering if some charter operations have any limit whatsoever. Perhaps insurance requirements specify some limit, but I'm guessing here.

I don't remember what the maximum crosswind landing I've ever done is. I used to write the number down in my logbook if I had a nasty one, but I stopped doing that many years ago. I remember doing one in Florida that was 25 kts, but that was right on the coast and the wind was very steady. It was actually a relatively easy landing because I wasn't getting tossed around. Here in Texas they are almost always quite gusty. Fortunately there's an airport near my home airport that has a crosswind runway. I've landed there and waited them out a time or two. I've seen guys do 30 kt crosswind landings in small planes and gusty conditions. I don't have anywhere I need to be that compels me to do that and since I'm paying for my own tires, it's not worth trying. I work at DFW and I've seen the big iron do close to 30 kt crosswind landings a few times. It's pretty interesting to watch. Lots of smoke kicks up and I'm sure they leave a lot of rubber on the runway.

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Response to Major Nikon (Reply #8)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 07:50 PM

11. I think Boeing had demonstrated FAA Xwind quals better than TWA's limits.

But the numbers escape me now.
Yes, airline limits were generally lower than manufacturers limits.
Little margin of safety and capability of line pilots.
As opposed to Boeing test pilots.

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Response to madmom (Original post)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 06:56 PM

9. Guess I'll take Dusseldorf off my list!

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Response to madmom (Original post)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 07:41 PM

10. Some really good pilots in the video

You could see them fighting the crosswind like hell, but still landing more or less in the center of the runway with a soft touch down.

Others on the video, not so good. Remind me to never, ever fly Condor airlines...

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Response to madmom (Original post)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 08:41 PM

12. Almost look like hovercraft

What a remarkable feat.

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