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Fri May 17, 2013, 12:53 PM

Was it THAT difficult to NOT race-bend Khan into a white guy?

What, EVERY decent actor of color was unavailable at the time?

Hollywood will never learn.



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Reply Was it THAT difficult to NOT race-bend Khan into a white guy? (Original post)
MrScorpio May 2013 OP
CBGLuthier May 2013 #1
siligut May 2013 #2
bluedigger May 2013 #3
MrScorpio May 2013 #4
Baitball Blogger May 2013 #6
AmyDeLune May 2013 #5
Hassin Bin Sober May 2013 #8
baldguy May 2013 #7
MrScorpio May 2013 #10
alphafemale May 2013 #9
fizzgig May 2013 #11
alphafemale May 2013 #12
Demo_Chris May 2013 #13

Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Fri May 17, 2013, 01:14 PM

1. Unless you just spoiled this movie that character is no Khan

Got some news for you too. Ricardo Montalban weren't no Sikh either.

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Fri May 17, 2013, 01:22 PM

2. Benedict Cumberbatch is red hot right now

From IMDB: Khan Noonien Singh is a villain in the fictional Star Trek universe. The character first appeared in the original Star Trek series episode "Space Seed", and then in the film Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan. In both cases he was played by Ricardo Montalbán, aged 46 in the original series and 61 in the film. He is generally referred to simply as Khan.

In "Space Seed", Khan was one of a group of genetically engineered "supermen", a tyrant who was defeated in the Eugenics Wars of the 1990s. These supermen had been bred to be free of either mental or physical defects. Khan had been both the most successful and the most benign of the group, ruling western Asia until he was deposed.


Maybe, aside from using Cumberbatch because he is one of the best dramatic actors of our time, they used him because he is white, as a nod toward white supremacy. He is the bad guy after all.

But I would agree in general with your premise.

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Fri May 17, 2013, 01:48 PM

3. Come on, man.

Going after Star Trek for racial stereotyping? Slow day, or what?

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Response to bluedigger (Reply #3)

Fri May 17, 2013, 07:18 PM

4. It's not just Star Trek, it's indicative of the entire industry




Khan was originally characterized as a South Asian, if they're casting less that 2% of leading roales to Asians, it stands to reason that they never looked at one in the first place.

I checked the IMDB page today… They were only looking at Latino actors before they settled on Cumberbatch.

Oh course, I'm calling them on racial stereotyping, because it's TRUE!

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Response to MrScorpio (Reply #4)

Sun May 19, 2013, 09:52 AM

6. That was my first reaction when I saw it.

What a cheap bait and switch. No one was expecting a white Khan.

But, I have to give it to the guy. He did come across as a super genetic narcissist with Nazi-ish intentions.

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Sat May 18, 2013, 02:25 AM

5. Would it be that difficult to put the word "Spoiler" in your OP title? n/t

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Response to AmyDeLune (Reply #5)

Sun May 19, 2013, 10:53 AM

8. Yep. This is a shitty spoiler thread.

I just saw ST last night.

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Sun May 19, 2013, 10:44 AM

7. He's no Kahn.



But then Ricardo Montalban's ancestry isn't anywhere near South Asia either.

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Response to baldguy (Reply #7)

Sun May 19, 2013, 02:00 PM

10. But consider 1967 conventions...

Casting Montalban in that role, rather than an Anglo actor, was a pretty radical move on Roddenberry's part.

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Sun May 19, 2013, 11:03 AM

9. I'm still not over Kirk having blue eyes.

Nearly none of the characters bear any resemblance to the original.

But Spock is perfect. He is the only one that nails the character.

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Response to alphafemale (Reply #9)

Sun May 19, 2013, 02:04 PM

11. i have such a crush on the new spock

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Response to fizzgig (Reply #11)

Sun May 19, 2013, 06:13 PM

12. He's the only one that seemed to realize these are established characters.

And learned some of the body language.

He IS Spock.

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Mon May 20, 2013, 01:23 AM

13. I cannot forgive what they did in the last movie

 

1) The mall beauty salon as the ship's bridge. This is simple unacceptable. I actually felt insulted by this.

2) Cadet Kirk being given command of the ship and promoted five ranks to Captain. This wacky nonsense clearly baffled the writers as well, as Kirk is refered to by different ranks at different points in the movie.

3) The engineering section with the ludicrous plumbing.

4) The "plot" -- not only the massive black holes in it, but the overall zany Buck Rogers flavor. Star Trek movie sare supposed to be serious.

There were parts I loved. The combat scenes were fantastic, it was actually exciting, and I thought the actors were okay. I particularly loved the scene in the beginning with young Kirk and the stolen car -- that was Kirk to a tee in my opinion -- but every time i would start to like the movie the Director would slap me in the face (after blinding me with yet more lens flare).

As a result I will not see this new movie.

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