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Tue Feb 26, 2013, 05:14 AM

Which city is better, Orlando or Miami?

I side with Orlando, for the trees, the wildlife, the low cost of living, and the fact that I don't have to apologize for not speaking Spanish when walking into a store.

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Reply Which city is better, Orlando or Miami? (Original post)
darkangel218 Feb 2013 OP
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Response to darkangel218 (Original post)

Tue Feb 26, 2013, 05:23 AM

1. Orlando



imo: personal experience . . .avoid Miami!!!

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Response to In_The_Wind (Reply #1)

Tue Feb 26, 2013, 05:25 AM

2. Yups, i agree.

I don't know how I survived Miami so long. It's horible.

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Response to darkangel218 (Reply #2)

Tue Feb 26, 2013, 05:31 AM

3. I was stuck in North Miami for a whole month! February 2011

never again!

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Response to In_The_Wind (Reply #3)

Tue Feb 26, 2013, 05:34 AM

4. I used to live in North Miami. by 163 st.

Horible. I still go down there to visit friends , but not too often. Everything is so dirty

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Response to darkangel218 (Reply #4)

Tue Feb 26, 2013, 05:46 AM

5. Do you remember an intersection:

heading south (the road ran along side the train tracks on the left) a car/boat repair was on the right just before a five way intersection . . . cemetery on the right?

Cause the dirtbag owning the repair yard is a thief! Will not pay driver's wages to unsuspecting truckers. I was an escort for a load when the big truck was supposed to be changed out for one that was in better working order. It never happened!

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Response to In_The_Wind (Reply #5)

Tue Feb 26, 2013, 05:51 AM

6. I know exactly which road youre talking about.

A lot of crooked people in Miami.
It's so refreshing not to live there. Do you still have your cdl licence? I wanted to get mine before the Nursing school, but its too late to take that "road" now. My current bf is a trucker. I completely and utterly LOVE trucks!! Don't ask me why, I just do x



On edit, I think its because they're so big and can kick anyones butt on the road they're just amazing.

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Response to darkangel218 (Reply #6)

Tue Feb 26, 2013, 05:58 AM

8. I do have my CDL. But I escort oversize loads, not drive 'em.

The locals were nice to us. I wouldn't want to live there. Big time!

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Response to darkangel218 (Reply #6)

Wed Feb 27, 2013, 09:32 PM

113. Awwwww....POOP!

My current bf is a trucker. I completely and utterly LOVE trucks!!



Fuckin figures.

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Response to A HERETIC I AM (Reply #113)

Wed Feb 27, 2013, 11:54 PM

116. Hey, what do you have against trucks?

You drive one, why you say "fucking figures"?

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Response to darkangel218 (Reply #116)

Thu Feb 28, 2013, 12:01 AM

118. I have nothing against trucks

The "fuckin figures" refers to the only woman I have ever come across on DU that loves big trucks having A DAMNED BOYFRIEND!!

It fuckin figures. It's always my luck. The ones I would hit it off with are already spoken for!

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Response to A HERETIC I AM (Reply #118)

Thu Feb 28, 2013, 12:04 AM

120. Well, i was single for a short while. you missed your chance :)

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Response to darkangel218 (Reply #120)

Thu Feb 28, 2013, 12:06 AM

121. Thanks for proving my point!! Lol

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Response to In_The_Wind (Reply #5)

Tue Feb 26, 2013, 05:54 AM

7. btw, i just dyed my hair, waiting for the color to process. :p

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Response to darkangel218 (Reply #7)

Tue Feb 26, 2013, 06:01 AM

9. really

Last edited Tue Feb 26, 2013, 07:28 AM - Edit history (1)

what color was it, and now?

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Response to In_The_Wind (Reply #9)

Tue Feb 26, 2013, 06:04 AM

10. Same one, dark brown/black.

My natural colour is lighter but I like it dark. To fit my evil self :p

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Response to darkangel218 (Reply #10)

Tue Feb 26, 2013, 06:09 AM

11. I'm a strawberry blond.

redheads are teh hot! Oh and, around truck lots "Don't fuck with that redhead" is what I've heard more than once. . . .

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Response to In_The_Wind (Reply #11)

Tue Feb 26, 2013, 06:11 AM

12. Hehe thats so true!

I used to be a redhead, back in the day. I miss that x

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Response to darkangel218 (Reply #12)

Tue Feb 26, 2013, 06:17 AM

13. cannot avoid getting attention.



might as well start with a 'tude. cause I didn't take any shit from anyone. ever.

the truckers always treated me with respect. . . .
I feel more at home, safe with men, not women.

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Response to In_The_Wind (Reply #13)

Tue Feb 26, 2013, 06:36 AM

14. so do i.

Women can be catty and envious. I too get along with men better. But not with the cheater lying type. Right now I can safely say I hardly trust anyone. I.wish people would be more trustworthy and less backstabbing. It seems the more I open to someone the more vulnerable I become. Imo, humanity as a whole has a lot of evolvement to do.

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Response to darkangel218 (Reply #14)

Tue Feb 26, 2013, 06:51 AM

15. The cheating types learn very quickly to leave me the hell alone!

Last edited Tue Feb 26, 2013, 04:40 PM - Edit history (1)

iom: the more you can bring yourself to share, the more you heal.
However . . . strangers can be very cruel. Some DUers may have figured it out by now. oh and MIRT knows. but for the first time on DU: in the wind was sexually abused when she was a child. That is what made me a the baddest bad ass in teh woods. Don't even look at me the wrong way in real life. no one knows. in the wind always appears nice, peaceful.

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Response to In_The_Wind (Reply #15)

Tue Feb 26, 2013, 07:02 AM

17. Thats what puzzels me so much on here

How cruel some can be.. the personal attacks and lack of empathy... Just like in real life I guess.
The fact that we are all dems matters very lil it seems..
Anyway, you're my friend. And I'm okay with it, even if you're my only friend in here.


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Response to darkangel218 (Reply #17)

Tue Feb 26, 2013, 07:12 AM

21. I am not your only friend at DU.

Many of us feel your pain. (only guessing here) But it is so great I didn't know any other way to let you know why I care about you. being a survivor takes courage ~ that which does not destroy us makes us stronger. it was my second stepmother. imo: her day in hell will come.

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Response to In_The_Wind (Reply #21)

Tue Feb 26, 2013, 08:44 AM

29. I can't relate with regards to abuse,

although I've known far too many women that have gone through that. I do have my own weird quirks I don't admit on DU (that's why I have a blog where I can control who comments to it )

So, here's a hug for opening up like that and one for you, too, darkangel

from Houston!

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Response to kentauros (Reply #29)

Tue Feb 26, 2013, 08:50 AM

31. !



as to comments here on DU ignore has become my friend.
just hate seeing big holes in some threads.
Oh and, the line up of threads that in the wind wants to post in
is so much more appealing now!

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Response to In_The_Wind (Reply #31)

Tue Feb 26, 2013, 09:04 AM

39. I've got half as many people on ignore as have ME on ignore!

I'm not sure why anyone would ignore me, but maybe it's due to no longer taking any shit from the Texas-bashers (not to mention standing up for my friends in Florida and elsewhere in the southern states.)

But, having those two worst offenders on ignore has certainly made my infrequent browsing of the Religion forum that much better. Still a few I could ignore, but they do make decent posts elsewhere that I like to read. That forum still isn't to my liking for participation, though. Discussion is not the order of the day there, just fights, arguments, and "winning the debate".

I'm like you in that I hate seeing holes in threads. That and how it affects the post count versus what is showing. That weirded me out a bit at first

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Response to kentauros (Reply #29)

Tue Feb 26, 2013, 09:26 AM

46. Du is not a safe place for 'quirks'...

they bring out the vampire in some.

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Response to Sekhmets Daughter (Reply #46)

Tue Feb 26, 2013, 09:31 AM

49. oh, goody

love wallowing in the gore for an excellent reason

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Response to In_The_Wind (Reply #49)

Tue Feb 26, 2013, 09:32 AM

50. Really?

Not I. I will if necessary...but I no longer enjoy it.

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Response to Sekhmets Daughter (Reply #50)

Tue Feb 26, 2013, 09:36 AM

52. only on very rare occasions

like when one of my friends needs me.

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Response to In_The_Wind (Reply #21)

Tue Feb 26, 2013, 04:56 PM

67. Right on!

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Response to darkangel218 (Reply #17)

Tue Feb 26, 2013, 09:34 AM

51. I have always liked you

and would be more than happy to call you friend!

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Response to darkangel218 (Reply #17)

Tue Feb 26, 2013, 04:50 PM

65. Not your only friend DA! Please include me!

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Response to darkangel218 (Original post)

Tue Feb 26, 2013, 06:58 AM

16. I don't agree...

even with all the problems the water and South beach in Miami are fun.

Orlando traffic is as crazy as you get, and I'm not as excited about Disney World/Universal/MGM as some folks. I don't like Orlando weather much. Too many storms.

There's plenty of non-English everywhere in Florida. I have to admit that the best times I've had in Florida were (in order):

1.) the Keys and Key West (sailing, snorkeling, scuba, just hanging around)
2.) Clearwater/St. Pete Beach (most fun beaches in the US, music)
3.) Miami (Coconut Grove to South Beach clubs, bars, and restaurants)
4.) Ft. Lauderdale (pretty nice, but pricy)
5.) Orlando (mostly theme parks, concerts, ball games and then get out of there)

I've never liked Jacksonville - just too seedy and feels yucky to me.

I'm sure this post will cause controversy, but that's my experience.

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Response to Sancho (Reply #16)

Tue Feb 26, 2013, 07:10 AM

19. The traffic in Orlando is not even quarter as bad as Miami.

I know because I spent almost all two decades of my life there.
I have yet to walk into a store or restaurant here and be aproched in Spanish. I even had instances where people were rude to me because I didn't speak Spanish in Miami.
There are A LOT more trees here. Miami only has a palm tree here and there. Over here we actually have REAL trees. Forests who have never been touched by humans, protected habitats. For the first time in my life I saw wild Bald Eagles. Orlando and its surrondings us simply magickal. It's like living in a fairy tale. Xxx

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Response to darkangel218 (Reply #19)

Tue Feb 26, 2013, 08:55 PM

79. Drivers in Miami do not use brakes, they drive with their car horns. n/t

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Response to RebelOne (Reply #79)

Wed Feb 27, 2013, 09:47 PM

114. indeed

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Response to Sancho (Reply #16)

Tue Feb 26, 2013, 07:10 AM

20. The Keys are great!

vacationed there twice to visit friends. both times I loved it

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Response to Sancho (Reply #16)

Tue Feb 26, 2013, 08:39 AM

28. Miami has more cultural spots.

Much, much better restaurants, a Venetian pool, Vizcaya and more "normal" people. People are friendly and actually say hi to you on the sidewalks.

People who live in Orlando call it a cold place. It does have beautiful canal areas you can canoe through and it has Harry Potter world. But it's not a place where you make lasting friendships if you live here a long time.

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Response to Baitball Blogger (Reply #28)

Tue Feb 26, 2013, 08:56 AM

34. I think you might find rude folks anywhere...

but I've met some pretty nice folks in Miami, including some from Cuba or South America. The restaurants in Miami are the best.

When I walk around Coconut Grove or the beaches, most people are friendly. Maybe I've been in Florida long enough that I look local.

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Response to Sancho (Reply #34)

Tue Feb 26, 2013, 09:09 AM

40. Orlando has many insular societies.

A perfect example is the Fourth of July. The Fourth in the Venetian pools in Coral Gables is a true celebration--moment of unity.

There are some places in the red areas which are intentionally creating atmospheres that will discourage minorities from moving in. You can see it in the celebrations that are right-wing oriented, pro military. Music has a military theme. They also game their community development plans, skirting federal requirements for affordable housing, and to hear them in their circles, they know it will make it harder for minorities to move in because of it. However, they don't make it easy for those who do succeed to move in because the social networks are interlaced with the city government, so your success is controlled from cradle to grave.

Affordable housing that they are forced to provide, they're trying to limit it to age specific, adult communities. I'll never forget the condescending woman who looked at me and said, and it will be a place for Latinos too.

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Response to Baitball Blogger (Reply #28)

Tue Feb 26, 2013, 09:45 AM

56. I love the Venetian Pool!



Just a cool place. The closest thing South Florida has to the springs of north and central Florida.

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Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Reply #56)

Tue Feb 26, 2013, 09:52 AM

57. It's publicly owned, with private areas that can be rented.

Hard to believe that Coral Gables was influenced by the same family that screwed up Seminole County. At least, that's what my personal research came up with. The only thing wrong with Coral Gables is the lack of sidewalks.

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Response to Baitball Blogger (Reply #57)

Tue Feb 26, 2013, 09:56 AM

58. I love how you clearly notice when you've crossed over into Coral Gables.

If you are driving down Coral Way from the Palmetto, you'll be driving through a rather gritty urban cityscape, with unshaded areas and low slung barrack style housing. And then you hit Coral Gables, and it's instantly different. Beautiful shady trees everywhere, 20s era Spanish style houses, large expansive green lawns, distinct architecture. It's a very nicely planned city.

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Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Reply #58)

Tue Feb 26, 2013, 10:02 AM

59. Perfect balance between commercial/residential and recreational amenities.

But it's funny, because we did go out on a walk one night and did cross over without realizing it and found ourselves in a gritty area. We were lucky to find a commercial store open that allowed us to use the phone. It was a bit too easy to cross from one side to the other.

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Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Reply #56)

Tue Feb 26, 2013, 08:57 PM

80. Been there many times when I was a kid. Really pretty. n/t

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Response to darkangel218 (Original post)

Tue Feb 26, 2013, 07:09 AM

18. Orlando definitely

I've been to both and Miami seemed.... dirtier in a sense. not the people, just the general area

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Response to darkangel218 (Original post)

Tue Feb 26, 2013, 07:32 AM

22. Neither

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Response to darkangel218 (Original post)

Tue Feb 26, 2013, 08:15 AM

23. Isn't this like asking which brand of hammer it's better to hit your thumb with? (nt)

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Response to harmonicon (Reply #23)

Tue Feb 26, 2013, 08:16 AM

24. no

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Response to In_The_Wind (Reply #24)

Tue Feb 26, 2013, 08:18 AM

25. How so? (nt)

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Response to harmonicon (Reply #25)

Tue Feb 26, 2013, 08:23 AM

26. IMO: Miami is far too crowded.

I've been watching Florida grow (up close and personal) for over 50 years.
It has changed. Not gotten better.

Orlando is more family oriented. (again) imo: a happier place to work and live.

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Response to In_The_Wind (Reply #26)

Tue Feb 26, 2013, 09:15 AM

42. I can understand those things, but there are differences between hammers as well.

It still sucks to hit your thumb with them.

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Response to harmonicon (Reply #42)

Tue Feb 26, 2013, 09:22 AM

43. lol

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Response to In_The_Wind (Reply #26)

Tue Feb 26, 2013, 08:59 PM

81. That is why I now live in Georgia after spending most of my life in South Florida. n/t

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Response to RebelOne (Reply #81)

Tue Feb 26, 2013, 09:19 PM

82. I moved north out of Atlanta in '69. Still love going to Islamorada the most!

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Response to In_The_Wind (Reply #82)

Tue Feb 26, 2013, 09:57 PM

86. My little brother was born in Atlanta in about 68

I say "about" because I don't have a clue exactly how old he is...4 or 5 or 6 years younger than me....Needless to say I don;t remember much of Atlanta but I was there!

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Response to harmonicon (Reply #23)

Tue Feb 26, 2013, 06:50 PM

70. no

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Response to Callmecrazy (Reply #70)

Tue Feb 26, 2013, 07:27 PM

71. Why? Please explain. (nt)

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Response to darkangel218 (Original post)

Tue Feb 26, 2013, 08:30 AM

27. Son lives in Miami, Biscayne Blvd...

he can walk to American Airlines Arena for a Heat game, the commute, to the Dolphins games, is a breeze. He does not speak Spanish, but he likes it there. He went to UCF, which is in Orlando, had a great off campus townhouse he shared with another guy. I think the real issue is, how far do you want to be from the ocean?

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Response to Sekhmets Daughter (Reply #27)

Tue Feb 26, 2013, 08:56 AM

35. there you are

Love The Keys the most!

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Response to In_The_Wind (Reply #35)

Tue Feb 26, 2013, 08:59 AM

36. Here am I!

How are you this morning?

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Response to Sekhmets Daughter (Reply #36)

Tue Feb 26, 2013, 09:01 AM

37. in a sharing mood

for the mutual good of all concerned.

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Response to In_The_Wind (Reply #37)

Tue Feb 26, 2013, 09:03 AM

38. Are you talking Carly Simon, or something else?

I'm not certain I'm awake yet.

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Response to Sekhmets Daughter (Reply #38)

Tue Feb 26, 2013, 09:12 AM

41. *

all of my post to DA plus with my good friend kentauros.

as things go my thread of today was inspired by my own words on this thread above.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1018316347

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Response to In_The_Wind (Reply #41)

Tue Feb 26, 2013, 09:24 AM

44. Sharing draws out the poison my friend...

Sharing makes you confront it...then you can kick it to the curb.

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Response to Sekhmets Daughter (Reply #44)

Tue Feb 26, 2013, 09:26 AM

45. indeed

along with any pain in the ass in the wind encounters along the way.

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Response to In_The_Wind (Reply #45)

Tue Feb 26, 2013, 09:27 AM

47. Did you put on war paint this morning?

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Response to Sekhmets Daughter (Reply #47)

Tue Feb 26, 2013, 09:28 AM

48. never took it off

however, I did get an excellent night's sleep last night!

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Response to In_The_Wind (Reply #48)

Tue Feb 26, 2013, 09:37 AM

53. LMAO

Happy to hear it!

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Response to Sekhmets Daughter (Reply #53)

Tue Feb 26, 2013, 09:41 AM

54. you understand

a few very special DUers make my life so much better than it ever was before.
most of 'em I've only gotten to know recently.
lots of my old DU friends have moved on.

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Response to Sekhmets Daughter (Reply #27)

Wed Feb 27, 2013, 06:03 PM

108. I worked on Biscayne Blvd. and 79th Street for many years

in the big building on the corner of Biscayne Blvd. and 79th Street. Then years later, I dated someone who owned a seafood restaurant right across the street from the big building. It was just across the canal from the old Playboy Club.

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Response to RebelOne (Reply #108)

Wed Feb 27, 2013, 08:56 PM

112. I don't know the cross street at all... or the city for that matter

He lives in a fairly new bldg...50 Biscayne and works in 100 Biscayne....To go to work in the morning he rides an elevator down 30 floors, crosses a side (cross) street and rides an elevator up 8 floors. Tough commute! Office overlooks the harbor/bay...There is a small park across the Blvd. He is enjoying life!

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Response to Sekhmets Daughter (Reply #112)

Thu Feb 28, 2013, 12:12 AM

122. Thats downtown Miami. nt

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Response to RebelOne (Reply #108)

Thu Feb 28, 2013, 12:02 AM

119. I know that building. the former INS, right?

Now its moved somehwere else away from Biscayne.

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Response to darkangel218 (Reply #119)

Fri Mar 1, 2013, 08:52 PM

137. Yes, right. But when I worked there it was known

as Gulf American Land. It was a rip-off cpmpany that sold people property in the swamps of Florida.

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Response to darkangel218 (Original post)

Tue Feb 26, 2013, 08:50 AM

32. Düsseldorf

It's been decades since I've been to either Orlando or Miami.

I speak Spanish just fine, but I can do that just down the road in Spain, no need to fly 9 hours to Florida when I can fly two hours and be in Madrid.

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Response to DFW (Reply #32)

Wed Feb 27, 2013, 01:50 AM

89. love Dusseldorf

a city I didn't expect to be great.

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Response to JCMach1 (Reply #89)

Wed Feb 27, 2013, 04:24 AM

90. I've been here in D'Dorf a while

Back home, most people, when they hear the name, think it's some grey industrial big city (that's Dortmund, not Düsseldorf). Instead, Düsseldorf is a colorful, thriving provincial capital with a big intercontinental airport that has direct flights to New York, Newark, Chicago, Atlanta, L.A., San Francisco, several places in Florida, all parts of Europe, the Middle East, South Asia, Africa, and the Far East. It is also a big fashion center, and has a river walk that runs the length of the city, lined with riverside cafés where you can get a hot or cold cup/glass/mug of anything and watch the river traffic flow by, either on the way downriver to Holland, or upriver to Switzerland.

Napoleon called Düsseldorf "my little Paris on the Rhein," and anyone who visits her can see why.

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Response to DFW (Reply #90)

Wed Feb 27, 2013, 12:35 PM

102. It is also beautiful to take the short train ride to the Neanderthal valley

Apart from the museum and the site where the first Neanderthals were found, the surroundings are beautiful.

But yeah, food and beer along the river, or in the fashion/shopping area... We also visited the beautiful palace ... arg the name escapes me.

It is also very, very easy to get around unlike some larger cities.

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Response to JCMach1 (Reply #102)

Wed Feb 27, 2013, 04:10 PM

105. The palace--Schloss Benrath, maybe?

Actually, "Neanderthal valley" is a redundancy. "Thal/tal" means "valley" in German, and the Neander is the stream that flows through it. The early inhabitants are called "Neanderthal" because their discovery site was in the Neander Valley, in German "Neandertal." A century ago, the Germans spelled it with an "h" so it was Neanderthal back then. The museum is less than a 20 minute drive from our house. We live in Ratingen, which is a beautiful old medieval town in its own right, with a 1000 year old castle surrounded by a moat practically in our back yard:



These days, there is a top 40 radio station located there, and they call themselves "Radio Neanderthal," which gets as many raised eyebrows from English speakers as the buses from a family-owned travel agency/driver-ed company operated by the Fuecker family of Grevenbroich. When people see buses with the logo "Fücker Reisen" plastered on them in big letters, English speakers always do a double-take.

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Response to darkangel218 (Original post)

Tue Feb 26, 2013, 08:52 AM

33. It depends. Do you prefer an orange, or a mango?

Each has it's pluses and minuses.

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Response to darkangel218 (Original post)

Tue Feb 26, 2013, 09:42 AM

55. There's Orlando proper, and then there's the Orlando metro area. Very different.

I like Orlando proper, i.e. within the city limits. A lot of nice shady trees, lakes, etc. I had an aunt who lived there and I always had good memories of staying at her house and picking oranges off her tree in her backyard.

The Orlando metro area? That's a totally different story. The amalgamated mess south of the city--International Drive, Lake Buena Vista, Bronson Highway--has to be the ugliest place in Florida, hands down. Just acres and acres of touristy sprawl. You have no idea what damage Walt Disney did to the area when he chose it for his "dream." Probably the main reason why I cannot stand Walt Disney World. (Also, it's ridiculously overpriced, crazily overcrowded and the rides suck compared to other parks.) I hate that the first thing out of staters think of when they think of Florida is Disney.

Some other areas surrounding Orlando are nice, though. Wekiva Springs is beautiful, as are all the Florida springs. You actually get some nice hills out in Clermont, not something one immediately associates with Florida. And they have Lakeridge Winery out there which produces a great product. I love the Deland-Orange City area as well. You've got Blue Springs with its manatees and DeLeon Springs with its delicious pancake house where you can have all the fill of pancakes that you make yourself.

I actually am okay with Miami. It's something of its own little world, but I've got no qualms about it. It's pretty built up though, with little access to nature except the couple of roads that lead to the Everglades or the Keys. I like the international aspect of it. And it has a cool looking nighttime skyline.

My favorite large Florida city is actually Jacksonville. No joke, it's a seriously underrated city. Nice beaches, nice weather, nice zoo, nice airport. A little more conservative, unfortunately, although that seems to be changing as well.

Smaller Florida cities that are worthwhile? The aforementioned DeLand, plus St. Augustine and Gainesville come to mind.

I love my Florida home, warts and all. Yes, it's got its own little crazy reputation, but that makes it all the more endearing. Other than perhaps Hawaii, there's no other state I'd rather live in.

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Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Reply #55)

Tue Feb 26, 2013, 10:35 AM

60. good summary about Orlando nt

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Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Reply #55)

Tue Feb 26, 2013, 04:48 PM

64. indeed

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Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Reply #55)

Wed Feb 27, 2013, 06:29 PM

111. And just think - you could just outside of Orlando and have

Representative Alan Grayson stand for you in Congress!

I'm with you about Disney - I remember driving up I-4 in the mid 60s and seeing the sign in a cow pasture telling us that was the future home of Disney World! Back then, the Orlando Airport was mostly supported as a military need. Orlando was a semi-sleepy town with less draw than Kissimmee, which was the big cow town.

I never spent time in Orlando as a kid growing up in Polk County and less as an adult aside from visiting my sister who owns a house five miles from Disney. Never been to Disney World, though I had the chance to go for free all those years when my BIL worked there.

My favorite Florida city is Tallahassee. It's a terrific place to live if the people from other parts of Florida would quit sending all their jerks up here to screw up the government. I've lived here since 1972 and love the area. The land coop is still going strong, the food coop keeps having to add on space, and the local politics tend to be very blue. I love our hills, hardwoods, springs and lakes that drain.

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Response to darkangel218 (Original post)

Tue Feb 26, 2013, 04:28 PM

61. I lived in Miami since I was years old.

Grew up there and finally moved to North Georgia in 1989. I never want to go back to that hellhole of the south. My daughter lives there and she knows that she has to come up here to see me because I do not want to set foot back in that city.

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Response to darkangel218 (Original post)

Tue Feb 26, 2013, 04:37 PM

62. PFttth

Portland, Oregon.

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Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Reply #68)

Tue Feb 26, 2013, 05:02 PM

69. Well played.

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Response to darkangel218 (Original post)

Tue Feb 26, 2013, 04:43 PM

63. Personally Miami!

I like big cities, lots of action, good shopping, great restaurants, and the cigar shops.

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Response to ohiosmith (Reply #63)

Tue Feb 26, 2013, 04:52 PM

66. this one area we disagree.

been there. done that with a local. didn't care for it. at all. good food tho....

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Response to ohiosmith (Reply #63)

Wed Feb 27, 2013, 09:09 AM

93. South Beach and the News Cafe.

The opportunity to be invited to a birthday party which involves a schooner, or equivalent, with dress code: pirate casual.

The electric lights at Christmas time.

And the opportunity to talk to lots and lots of Liberals.

All said, it makes Miami a great place to visit. But, like any good vacation, it improves if you have the money to do it right.

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Response to Baitball Blogger (Reply #93)

Wed Feb 27, 2013, 11:59 PM

117. News cafe sucks. $10 a piece of chocolate cake who looked like its been siting there for ages.

I never liked any of the OD restaurants. But I miss Wolfies. Anyone remember Wolfies? The deli on Collins Ave?

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Response to darkangel218 (Reply #117)

Thu Feb 28, 2013, 12:17 AM

123. Yes, I remember Wolfies. I was there years ago before the Ponzie by Bernie Madoff.

I was rich.

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Response to darkangel218 (Reply #117)

Thu Feb 28, 2013, 10:09 AM

125. Wolfies. Is that the place that charged you a dollar for sharing your meal?

I go to News Cafe for the open air atmosphere, to read a paper, and drink coffee.

Chocolate cake is just overkill.

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Response to Baitball Blogger (Reply #125)

Thu Feb 28, 2013, 12:10 PM

130. I dont remember them charging for sharing.

They closed down maybe 10 years ago or more. The menu was actually pretty affordable, one of the reason I liked eating there.

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Response to darkangel218 (Reply #130)

Thu Feb 28, 2013, 12:15 PM

131. If I do recall, they had a special.

And I remember pickles. That's it. Just that it was crowded and I believe they tried to charge us a dollar for sharing a meal.

Good food, though.

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Response to darkangel218 (Original post)

Tue Feb 26, 2013, 07:52 PM

72. Everything I know about Florida I learned from Burn Notice.

Oh, and that Animal Planet show about gators.

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Response to Still Blue in PDX (Reply #72)

Tue Feb 26, 2013, 08:06 PM

73. you should go when the orange groves are in bloom. so sweet.

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Response to In_The_Wind (Reply #73)

Tue Feb 26, 2013, 08:08 PM

74. also in January when everyone else is freezing nt

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Response to steve2470 (Reply #74)

Tue Feb 26, 2013, 08:12 PM

75. as a former snowbird. be careful in January. big crowds.

Disney is great on Christmas Day. or Thanksgiving. can you tell I love Florida.

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Response to steve2470 (Reply #74)

Wed Feb 27, 2013, 08:47 AM

91. My MIL and FIL spend their winters in Florida

They've invited us to visit them at Lake Conneaut next summer; maybe we should visit in winter instead!

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Response to In_The_Wind (Reply #73)

Tue Feb 26, 2013, 08:53 PM

78. I miss the groves

We used to be surrounded by them. Now we're surrounded by gated communities we couldn't afford to drive through. I've met some of the people in the gated communities. I like the oranges better.

Oh and we LOOOOVE Burn Notice.

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Response to OriginalGeek (Reply #78)

Tue Feb 26, 2013, 09:24 PM

83. The smell was so unforgettably intoxicating.

Ok. again I'm clueless do I really want to watch Burn Notice?

And why?

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Response to In_The_Wind (Reply #83)

Tue Feb 26, 2013, 09:45 PM

85. One of the best smells in the world

Burn Notice is good fun action spy stuff. Plenty of smart-ass humor and blowin stuff up, hot guys and hot women.


And even if it didn't have all that, it has Bruce Fuckin Campbell!

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Response to In_The_Wind (Reply #83)

Thu Feb 28, 2013, 10:46 AM

127. I remember driving by the Ardmore Farms orange juice company in Deland as a kid....

.....rolling down the windows and taking in the sweet aroma.

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Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Reply #127)

Thu Feb 28, 2013, 09:18 PM

132. I miss Florida this time of year.

I'm sure I've driven through Deland sometime in the past.
I've lived in New York State since 1969 but I will always be a Southerner at heart.

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Response to In_The_Wind (Reply #132)

Fri Mar 1, 2013, 07:43 AM

133. DeLand's a really cool town.

You've got a vibrant downtown area, the campus of Stetson University, Hontoon Landing State Park and the St. John's River to the west, Blue Springs State Park to the south (probably at the height of manatee season right now) and DeLeon Springs State Park to the north (best pancakes I've ever tasted, hands down, are made on the table at the old sugar mill at the park.)


Well worth a visit. Let me know if you are ever in the area again and I'll give you my recommendations.

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Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Reply #133)

Fri Mar 1, 2013, 07:58 AM

134. Thank you Tommy_Carcetti.

Sadly ~ thanks to Bernie Madoff ~ my traveling days purely for pleasure are over.

My business is escorting oversize trucking loads all over the USA and Canada.
I usually treat myself to an enjoyable return trip. But I cannot afford the long deadheads now.
Maybe next year.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1018305970#post12

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Response to darkangel218 (Original post)

Tue Feb 26, 2013, 08:39 PM

76. I like living in Orlando

And I am lucky enough to have a job that lets me visit a lot of the rest of FL. I like going to Miami but I don't know if I've seen enough of it to know about living there. I'll be near Ft Myers tomorrow and up in Lake county the day after.

I am a rare native Floridian but I grew up and learned to drive in Dallas. I'd pick Orlando traffic over Dallas or Miami all day every day.

Miami has some KILLLLLLLERRRR food though. There are some great Cuban places in Orlando but damn, in Miami you can blindly throw a rock and it will bounce off of 3.

I don't need the beach - I've lived in this house for 27 years and in another near Wekiva for 2 years before that and I've been to the beach maybe 3 times.

I might be able to manage a D or a low C on a high school Spanish test but I've never felt uncomfortable anywhere...not even at the Publix in Kendall where the nice ladies were trying to explain to me that Cuban coffee was not the same thing as what I am used to but I insisted on a couple shots anyway....we all had a good laugh when I chugged that stuff straight with no cream or sugar.

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Response to darkangel218 (Original post)

Tue Feb 26, 2013, 08:53 PM

77. my first post wasn't that great, so trying again....

In defense of Orlando, yes it's not Manhattan or San Francisco or Paris or *insert another awesome world class city*. However, it's becoming more cosmpolitan by the year. The cosmopolitanism isn't as visible as, say, Manhattan, but when you talk to people, you begin to see it and feel it. There are people in Orlando from all over the world, literally. I've talked to them. One of my doctors is from New Zealand and the other one is from China. My ex-wife was from Brazil. I've met people from African nations as well as all of the other continents.

I was born in Orlando, so YES, I've seen gigantic changes over the years, most of them good I think. Some things about the area cannot be changed (it's generally flat with a few rolling hills out west and it's muggy as hell in the summer, etc etc). The things that can be changed seem to be changing very slowly, not fast enough for those of us who are liberals/progressives.

If one MUST have San Francisco level sophistication and charm, then Orlando will probably never work for someone. I can't see Orlando reaching that level any time soon or ever. If one can cope with the unchangeable realities of the area and put forth a little effort in networking, I think one can be reasonably content here.

Miami is truly already a world class city, the "capitol of Latin America" as some say. It has its downsides but so does Orlando, so does any city.

Variety, the spice of life.

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Response to steve2470 (Reply #77)

Wed Feb 27, 2013, 09:49 PM

115. My wife was born in Orlando too

and lived here all her life. We live about 6 miles from the house she grew up in (Her mom still lives there).

Last year we took a trip to Indiana and she saw snow on the ground for the first time in her life.

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Response to OriginalGeek (Reply #115)

Thu Feb 28, 2013, 09:01 AM

124. That's nice you live near her mom.

I didn't see snow on the ground until I was 24, when I went to Alaska. I think that's why I'm so fascinated with Antarctica lol

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Response to darkangel218 (Original post)

Tue Feb 26, 2013, 09:30 PM

84. Orlando? Miami? Eh....come to the Slum by the sea...

.....Daytona Beach!!! The worlds most famous beach! Two NASCAR races, two major motorcycle rallies, a huge national hot rod week, and yes we still have spring break....not to mention year round fishing, beaches you can drive on(wildlife...particularly turtles...friendly btw), wonderful state parks, good night life and food(the Greek festivals and food festivals here are cant miss)...all minus I4 and Disney traffic and the 90 to nothing Miami traffic....and if you really want to go to Orlando to the attractions(as we central floridians call them) or head up to the worlds oldest city, St. Augustine they are both less than an hour away, as is the space center to the south.....hell, we even have nude beaches 30 minutes away!

Orlando if I have to choose though...someone else mentioned how clean Orlando is kept. Even down by the orange bowl and OBT area. Traffic is Orlando's biggest problem....I4 can be treacherous with all the road work...I'll go 40 miles out of my way and take I95 to the beeline tollway before I go to OIA via I4...

Admittedly I try to avoid Orlando as much as possible...I rarely drive past lake Mary or Deltona...

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Response to rppper (Reply #84)

Tue Feb 26, 2013, 09:57 PM

87. Ahh, Daytona!

Site of several college drinking nights out for me! Good times, good times, good times.....

Like I said earlier, other than Lake Buena Vista, I have a pretty good impression of anywhere I've been in Florida.

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Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Reply #87)

Tue Feb 26, 2013, 10:08 PM

88. My brother....

Met his wife on a spring break in 82-83, married her and moved here....I moved here in '97 but I had some great spring break visits at its height....attended some great bike weeks and race weeks....I'm stuck here...to much fun stuff to do here without it costing you a firstborn...

I can see the lake Buena vista comment! Lol

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Response to rppper (Reply #88)

Wed Feb 27, 2013, 09:15 AM

94. It's a fun town, that's for sure.

Myrtle Beach and Ocean City try to invoke its spirit, but they are just missing that extra Florida component.

Also great is New Symrna Beach just 10 miles down the road. Cool little beach town.

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Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Reply #94)

Wed Feb 27, 2013, 11:11 AM

99. Right on....shark bite capital of the world!

Luckily for the surfers they're not very big....
New Smyrna and ponce inlet can claim Kelly Slater, the world championship surfer...I mean if you can surf on the whopping 3-4ft breaks here you can surf anywhere! Lol

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Response to darkangel218 (Original post)

Wed Feb 27, 2013, 09:01 AM

92. From only haven visited the two.

I would have to go with Miami. I really like the different cultural elements there and some of the Cuban food is amazing. It is pretty close to the Keys and the Everglades. You are right about the trees. Some of the camping around orlando is great. I love Kissimmee State Park.

Neither of them beat Pinellas.

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Response to darkangel218 (Original post)

Wed Feb 27, 2013, 09:27 AM

95. One thing in Orlando's favor: It has a suburb called "Doctor Phillips"

Come on, just how cool and is that?

To have an entire town that sounds like an orthodontist's office! It's even better than "Chevy Chase" in my opinion.

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Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Reply #95)

Wed Feb 27, 2013, 09:37 AM

96. Was that the city with the police corruption problem?

Where the police department was accepting police who had problems from other areas of Florida?

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Response to Baitball Blogger (Reply #96)

Wed Feb 27, 2013, 10:08 AM

97. Not sure.

All I know is from the Wikipedia entry:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_Phillips,_Florida

The area of Dr. Phillips is named after Dr. Phillip Phillips, a Central Florida citrus magnate. He was responsible for several key innovations in the processing and packaging of orange juice. He owned thousands of acres of groves, stretching across nine Central Florida counties and extending from Conroy Road on the north to the south end of the Sand Lake Chain, encompassing all of what is now Bay Hill, Orange Tree, Sand Lake Hills and Turkey Lake Park

I wonder why they didn't call it Dr. Phillip Phillips?

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Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Reply #97)

Wed Feb 27, 2013, 10:12 AM

98. It could have been worse. At least they didn't call it Bithlo.

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Response to Baitball Blogger (Reply #98)

Wed Feb 27, 2013, 01:27 PM

103. ....or Samsula!

Nt

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Response to rppper (Reply #103)

Wed Feb 27, 2013, 02:01 PM

104. Samsula! Now there's some memories of driving along a desolate State Road 44 at night.

There was some hole in the wall establishment on 44 in Samsula that I would always pass when I lived in the area. I believe it was a biker hangout. And on the side of the building there was a curious sign that read "No Colors."

Now, when I first saw that sign, I assumed the worst and thought it was some sort of blatant racial discrimination by the owner and was quite disgusted by it. In retrospect, however, it was probably more likely a warning against congregation by nefarious violent biker gangs such as the Outlaws who identify themselves with colored patches.

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Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Reply #104)

Wed Feb 27, 2013, 05:52 PM

106. Good call....that's because if all the bike weeks in the...

70's and 80's and all the 1%er violence between the Outlaws MC, to whom central Florida is their "territory", and all the other bike gangs that visit during bike weeks and biketoberfest...all of the watering holes put that up to avoid all the fights. Most of Daytona and the surrounding cities have that as ordinances now...most of the "bikers" that come now are doctors and business types playing the role....

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Response to darkangel218 (Original post)

Wed Feb 27, 2013, 11:18 AM

100. Which one has the fewest gators, snakes, and giant roaches?

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Response to Gidney N Cloyd (Reply #100)

Wed Feb 27, 2013, 11:28 AM

101. Orlando

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Response to In_The_Wind (Reply #101)

Wed Feb 27, 2013, 06:05 PM

109. Probably. I know Miami has has the biggest cockroaches in the world.

And, from personal experience, I know they fly.

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Response to RebelOne (Reply #109)

Wed Feb 27, 2013, 06:13 PM

110. I've been all over Florida for more than 50 years.

Everything that Miami has to offer can be found elsewhere, cleaner and prettier.
I love Naples and Saint Pete. The Gulf is in my heart far more than the Atlantic will ever be.

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Response to RebelOne (Reply #109)

Fri Mar 1, 2013, 10:05 AM

135. !!!!!FLYING !!!!

I will never go there. holy moley!!! attack bugs

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Response to irisblue (Reply #135)

Fri Mar 1, 2013, 10:16 AM

136. I've barely seen them in my 14 years here.

Don't get so scared away by the talk.

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Response to Gidney N Cloyd (Reply #100)

Thu Feb 28, 2013, 10:54 AM

128. Hells yeah we have gators....

Crocodiles too (although mainly around Flamingo and the Glades). And snakes, snakes in the Glades--yes the foreign invader pythons, but also the native ones. And sharks, lots of sharks in the ocean. A few bears, albiet not of the grizzly variety.

And most awesome of all, we've got cats. Big, big cats. Panthers to be exact.

All but the giant roaches are a positive to me. (And to be honest, I've actually come across very few of those in my decade and a half living here, so I don't know why people keep obsessing about them. I actually came across more strange bugs living in Maryland than I ever did in Florida) Adds a cool sense of danger to the place, the exotic wildlife lurking beneath the surface.

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Response to darkangel218 (Original post)

Wed Feb 27, 2013, 06:02 PM

107. Florida without ocean is pointless, to me.

The only reason I would live there is for easy quick access to nice beaches and warm water.

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Response to kwassa (Reply #107)

Thu Feb 28, 2013, 10:34 AM

126. Inland Florida actually has a lot to offer in terms of natural beauty and charm:















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Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Reply #126)

Thu Feb 28, 2013, 11:18 AM

129. There is some really nice countryside I found while on my motorcycle in and around

 

Ocala, miles of canopied roads north of Tallahassee, as well as some of the back roads on the west coast in the Cedar Key/Crystal River area.

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