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Thu Dec 13, 2012, 04:53 PM

The one time I played hard ball in my life and it paid off

Maybe I should try that more often. Actually, with my job, no. I think this is one of those things you can only effectively do once.

I got a job offer making more money elsewhere. It was a pretty good chunk of change so I gave my notice at my current job. My boss and his boss immediately tried to talk me out of it. I told them I'd like to stay, but I need more money right now and I didn't see it happening there. So around we went for a couple of days before I finally got to talk to the owner. It just so happened that all of this was happening around evaluation time when they determine what kind of raise and bonus we're getting for the year, or if we're getting anything at all. I didn't plan it that way, but it worked into my hands really well.

My bosses gave me a really good review. They said I was doing an excellent job. I didn't miss a day of work last year except for my paid vacation time. I'm a safe driver. I'm good with the customers. The owner really liked all of that stuff. I knew what I had to have to stay there and thought there would be no way he'd go for it, but he almost did. His offer was just shy of what I had in mind. I gave a little and accepted. He also doubled my bonus which pretty much makes up for the difference in hourly rate.

I'm very happy. My wife and I are going out to celebrate.

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Tobin S. Dec 2012 OP
ohiosmith Dec 2012 #1
Wait Wut Dec 2012 #2
csziggy Dec 2012 #3
Little Star Dec 2012 #4
lunatica Dec 2012 #5
CaliforniaPeggy Dec 2012 #6
blueamy66 Dec 2012 #7
gateley Dec 2012 #8
LiberalAndProud Dec 2012 #9
Ikonoklast Dec 2012 #10
Moondog Dec 2012 #11
EileenFB Dec 2012 #12
In_The_Wind Dec 2012 #13
elleng Dec 2012 #14
Sekhmets Daughter Dec 2012 #15
rbixby Dec 2012 #16
vanboggie Dec 2012 #23
Curmudgeoness Dec 2012 #29
SomeGuyInEagan Dec 2012 #43
rbixby Dec 2012 #63
Curmudgeoness Dec 2012 #68
HappyMe Dec 2012 #17
bluesbassman Dec 2012 #18
shireen Dec 2012 #19
RiffRandell Dec 2012 #20
handmade34 Dec 2012 #21
hue Dec 2012 #22
vanboggie Dec 2012 #24
nolabear Dec 2012 #25
Swede Atlanta Dec 2012 #26
Curmudgeoness Dec 2012 #27
Incitatus Dec 2012 #28
logosoco Dec 2012 #30
rocktivity Dec 2012 #31
nradisic Dec 2012 #32
Mira Dec 2012 #33
Spitfire of ATJ Dec 2012 #34
hedgehog Dec 2012 #35
sheshe2 Dec 2012 #36
DonRedwood Dec 2012 #37
graywarrior Dec 2012 #38
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DrewFlorida Dec 2012 #40
Lucky Luciano Dec 2012 #41
BadGimp Dec 2012 #42
Denninmi Dec 2012 #44
TrogL Dec 2012 #45
Booster Dec 2012 #46
raccoon Dec 2012 #56
defacto7 Dec 2012 #47
Iwillnevergiveup Dec 2012 #48
MiddleFingerMom Dec 2012 #49
Tobin S. Dec 2012 #53
trueblue2007 Dec 2012 #50
cecilfirefox Dec 2012 #51
Tobin S. Dec 2012 #52
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ReRe Dec 2012 #58
Phentex Dec 2012 #59
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CoffeeCat Dec 2012 #64
Tom1960 Dec 2012 #65
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Response to Tobin S. (Original post)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 04:55 PM

1. Cool! Congrats!

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Response to Tobin S. (Original post)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 04:57 PM

2. Congratulations!

I was wondering what you had decided!

I had a similar situation happen years and years ago and went the opposite direction. It turned out to be a horrible mistake, but eventually led me to another company that I loved dearly.

Glad to hear you've all made the right decision!

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Response to Tobin S. (Original post)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 04:58 PM

3. Fantastic!

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Response to Tobin S. (Original post)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 05:00 PM

4. Sweet! Enjoy your dinner out.

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Response to Tobin S. (Original post)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 05:01 PM

5. I'm ecstatic!

I really thought this was what was going to happen!

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Response to Tobin S. (Original post)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 05:03 PM

6. I'm so glad this worked out for you, my dear Tobin!

It's a win-win!

Congratulations and have a great dinner out with Jen!

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Response to Tobin S. (Original post)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 05:19 PM

7. Congrats!!!!!

Have a good time celebrating!!!

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Response to Tobin S. (Original post)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 05:22 PM

8. Good on YOU, Tobin S! And CA Peg is right -- THEY benefit, too! Win win!! nt

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Response to Tobin S. (Original post)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 05:29 PM

9. That is awesome.

How's that for self-actualizing? Well done, Tobin!

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Response to Tobin S. (Original post)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 05:31 PM

10. You can find drivers anywhere.

GOOD drivers are rarer than smart Republicans, and when an employer finds one, is smart to do what they can to retain them.


Nice job. Sometimes the planets are all in proper alignment.

Stay safe.

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Response to Tobin S. (Original post)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 05:34 PM

11. Congratulations.

One of the few "happy" workplace stories I've heard in quite a while.

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Response to Tobin S. (Original post)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 05:45 PM

12. Can never get enough of these type stories

Congratulations on your raise and bonus.

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Response to Tobin S. (Original post)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 05:50 PM

13. You've really earned it. Enjoy.

Good drivers are worth holding on to.

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Response to Tobin S. (Original post)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 05:52 PM

14. GREAT news, Tobin!

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Response to Tobin S. (Original post)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 05:59 PM

15. Congratulations!

You should always play hardball when it comes to your wages...always.

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Response to Tobin S. (Original post)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 06:06 PM

16. I had the opposite happen

but it ended up being a good thing. I got a job offer for a really great job, making way more than I was, for a company I liked a lot more, and while I was thinking over the offer, I had my review. At this company, the reviews were essentially "These are the ways in which you've failed the company in the last year, so this is why we're going to give you a tiny raise". So I went to the review, got zero increase in pay, went back to my desk, and put in my notice to quit and accepted the other offer.
I was wondering if they'd try to make me stay, but they basically said "Ok, well tomorrow you'll start training your replacement then". Then, when I went to discuss sending my last paycheck to my new address, the office manager looked at me strangely and basically said "Well, according to this, you owe us $600 for vacation time you took this year but haven't earned yet", which I responded to by saying that if I don't get a last paycheck, I don't work here anymore, and good luck trying to get any money out of me. Eventually she relented and decided to pay me my last check in full.

Needless to say, my last day on the job at that place was pure bliss (actually the last 2 weeks were). I was so glad to be out of that company, where I didn't feel valued the least bit, even though I built their entire IT infrastructure myself and kept everything running for 7 years. It was kind of shocking how little value they put in me.

I think something karmic happened though, because the weekend after my last day, a big storm rolled through while I was vacationing out of cellphone range and lightning struck the building, traveled down the coax from the directv dish on the roof, and into the server room (a setup I had said was a bad idea), where it fried all the network switches, the email server, and the file server.

I didn't volunteer to help them recover, maybe that was a bad call, but you reap what you sow, right?

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Response to rbixby (Reply #16)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 06:32 PM

23. Karma rocks!

Great story

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Response to rbixby (Reply #16)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 07:08 PM

29. I've worked for companies like that....

you never did anything right, you deserve no raise, you are a failure. Makes you all warm and fuzzy inside.

I think it is hilarious that lightning struck right after you left. And really, why would you volunteer to help??????

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Response to Curmudgeoness (Reply #29)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 10:23 PM

43. Amazing how bad so many managers are ... at managing.

Of course, it is usually because their managers suck as well. Right on up to ownership.

Lots of research out there on what motivates people. You can only motivate through fear for so long before failure. But most ten-year-olds understand that.

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Response to SomeGuyInEagan (Reply #43)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 02:07 PM

63. I think the problem stems from treating workers as commodities and costs to be controlled

instead of as human beings.

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Response to SomeGuyInEagan (Reply #43)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 07:22 PM

68. My boss where I am now in a small company

is one of the two owners. Like many bosses, he is not a trained manager. The "motivate through fear for so long before failure" is an understatement for these two. Their "management style" was instilling fear and mistrust of coworkers. Well, in the past year, the office environment has been so toxic that they are now asking how they can get people to work together instead of always fighting each other. Good luck with that. They have always fostered nastiness, telling each employee that the other employees are always bitching about them. So all of us things everyone else thinks we are incompetent, hateful, and can't stand the others.

They are reaping what they sowed, and they are not happy with the harvest.

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Response to Tobin S. (Original post)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 06:08 PM

17. Congrats!

That's great news. Enjoy your celebration!

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Response to Tobin S. (Original post)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 06:16 PM

18. Good for you Tobin!

I think you handled the whole deal very well. Congratulations on a successful resolution!

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Response to Tobin S. (Original post)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 06:18 PM

19. Happy stories always welcomed

It's so nice to hear good news like this. Congratulations on your success!

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Response to Tobin S. (Original post)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 06:23 PM

20. That's so great!

It's nice to be appreciated and compensated. Have a great night!

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Response to Tobin S. (Original post)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 06:27 PM

21. Good play!

nice to hear good news!!!

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Response to Tobin S. (Original post)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 06:29 PM

22. Great news! Have a wonderful evening! They are fortunate to have such a great employee!!

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Response to Tobin S. (Original post)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 06:33 PM

24. Congrats!

I love it when the good people win!

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Response to Tobin S. (Original post)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 06:36 PM

25. Sweeeeet!! You clearly know your worth (and so did they!)

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Response to Tobin S. (Original post)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 06:58 PM

26. You are just one of those takers..... (sarcasm).....

You just milk the system for what you can get. The poor owner of the business will probably have to cut one golf game out of his schedule each week thanks to your greed. Or his wife cannot have 2 facials a week, only one.

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Response to Tobin S. (Original post)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 07:04 PM

27. It is great to have a good bargaining chip

when you ask for a raise. Glad that they appreciate you.

This would have been much harder if you didn't have a fall-back position. Wonderful.

Enjoy your celebration.

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Response to Tobin S. (Original post)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 07:07 PM

28. congratulations

I have noticed on more than a couple occasions where bosses said more compensation wasn't possible, until that employee gave notice. That happened to me years ago, but I was tired of the place and left anyway. It's good things worked out and you're happy with your new situation.

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Response to Tobin S. (Original post)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 07:08 PM

30. Good for you!

I am so happy to hear this news. Glad that your boss knows what a good person he has working for him.

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Response to Tobin S. (Original post)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 07:14 PM

31. It worked because you DIDN'T ask for a counteroffer

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I'm sure they appreciated your honesty. And even without the extra bonus money, your tenure, seniority and good relationships will more than make up for that "just shy!"

I know of a legal secretary who put out her resume when her boss, the owner of the firm, passed away. She got a offer in which she'd be earning 30 per cent more as an office manager (including supervising the other secretaries), and be trained as a paralegal.

She turned in her resignation not expecting a counteroffer because the other job was such a step up even if they were willing to match the salary. But to make a long story short, she's still working at the firm to this day -- first as an office manager and supervisor, and now as a full-time paralegal!

Congrats -- and don't have any traffic accidents!


rocktivity

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Response to Tobin S. (Original post)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 07:23 PM

32. stand up for yourself!

good for you man!

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Response to Tobin S. (Original post)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 07:26 PM

33. Those who care the least win the most. It works even if you

have to fake it.

Huge Congrats!

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Response to Tobin S. (Original post)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 07:38 PM

34. I coined a phrase a while back that fits here...

Everyone wants to be Chief but nobody wants to be Brave....

And the Brave was a well respected member of the Tribe.

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Response to Tobin S. (Original post)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 07:39 PM

35. WAY TO GO!

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Response to Tobin S. (Original post)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 07:49 PM

36. This is a wonderful Holiday Gift to you and your wife!

Cheers!

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Response to Tobin S. (Original post)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 08:17 PM

37. Congratulations are in order!

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Response to Tobin S. (Original post)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 08:24 PM

38. Good for you!

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Response to Tobin S. (Original post)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 09:14 PM

39. Congratulations!

It's nice to be wanted! Best to you!

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Response to Tobin S. (Original post)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 09:17 PM

40. Congratulations!

It's nice to hear, I only wonder why they didn't pay you that without you having to demand it.

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Response to Tobin S. (Original post)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 09:32 PM

41. Did you ask the other company if they would come over the top

Of your current counteroffer?

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Response to Tobin S. (Original post)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 10:18 PM

42. winning! good on you....

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Response to Tobin S. (Original post)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 10:42 PM

44. WAY TO GO!

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Response to Tobin S. (Original post)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 11:45 PM

45. I thought that might happen

I was expecting a promotion, but that's pretty much the same thing.

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Response to Tobin S. (Original post)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 12:16 AM

46. They say to be appreciated is the strongest emotion a human can feel. Bet you feel that today.

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Response to Booster (Reply #46)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 08:29 AM

56. Haven't heard that, but it certainly makes sense.


"They say to be appreciated is the strongest emotion a human can feel."


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Response to Tobin S. (Original post)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 12:53 AM

47. Great Job!

Nobody gets a raise these days without either asking for it or having an angle. My wife had a similar situation this year and her hard ball paid off as well.

Kickin!

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Response to Tobin S. (Original post)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 01:09 AM

48. HIP HIP HOORAY!

Every paycheck will be a celebration of your worth and ability.

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Response to Tobin S. (Original post)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 01:15 AM

49. WOOHOO!!!

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Can I borrow a coupla thousand?
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Your old posts about beer always made me thirsty... and it's not gonna go away all by itself!!!
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Response to MiddleFingerMom (Reply #49)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 05:28 AM

53. Uh, no.

But I'll tell you what, if we ever meet in person I'm buying dinner and drinks.

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Response to Tobin S. (Original post)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 01:40 AM

50. yay!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! good for you Tobin

MERRY CHRISTMAS

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Response to Tobin S. (Original post)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 02:18 AM

51. Congratulations!! Working hard pays off!! nt

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Response to Tobin S. (Original post)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 05:27 AM

52. THANKS EVERYONE!

I appreciate all of the kind words and all of the greatest votes. It's not often that a lounge thread hits the front page.

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Response to Tobin S. (Original post)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 05:50 AM

54. God for you. Don't settle for less than you deserve.

If you're good at what you do, and conscientious about your work ethic, and someone else is offering you more, chances are, it's because you're worth it.

My daughter is getting the same kind of solicitation. She graduated magna from law school, but not from Harvard or Yale, so firms weren't lining up to make her offers when she graduated. Now, as she has proven herself as an effective and tireless worker at her German posting with w British law firm, (she is dual national and trilingual), suddenly head hunters from other firms are bombarding her with big cash offers. She just went to her management and said, "look, what are we going to do about this?" What they did about it was offer her more money and a fast track to partnership.

If you know you're worth more, and other employers agree, chances are your employer will, too, if presented with tha circumstances. Just put it on the table in front of them. Like you said, play hardball. Sometimes you win.

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Response to Tobin S. (Original post)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 08:03 AM

55. There is nothing more dangerous than employees who knows what their worth.

Congratulations!

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Response to Tobin S. (Original post)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 08:31 AM

57. Good for you! I never have been able to swing it, but glad you did! :-) nt

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Response to Tobin S. (Original post)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 09:57 AM

58. K&R

Yes, we need to hear stories like yours. Bad news sells for some ungodly reason, as it keeps us all depressed and scared.
Good news doesn't sell news, but it sure does lift our spirits and reminds us that all is not lost. It makes us happy.
Now, you two love birds go out and paint the town red. And know that all of us here at DU are right there with you. Cheers!

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Response to Tobin S. (Original post)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 10:13 AM

59. I am happy for you and Jen!

It sounds really positive. I was a little worried about you taking a new job. My husband once referred to the devil you don't know. And since you like the people you work with, it can mean a lot.

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Response to Tobin S. (Original post)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 11:12 AM

60. Good, you get to stay with the company that you like

It's nice to have a job offer in your pocket when you negotiate with your current employer.

I hope you had a nice celebration.

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Response to Tobin S. (Original post)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 12:20 PM

61. YAY! Tobin

 

good job, driver.

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Response to Tobin S. (Original post)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 01:45 PM

62. That's good news. The mindset these days is...

to steal your pension, cut your pay in half and tell you your lucky to have a job.
Seems like you work for a good company, which is rare these days.

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Response to Tobin S. (Original post)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 02:12 PM

64. Oh, you so rock!!

This is not easy--asking for more money. However, you are worth it!! You advocated for yourself and
you got what you deserved.

That's really inspiring and should be a lesson for us all.

It's not enough to ask--you have to be your own advocate and stick up for yourself.

My husband is going through the same thing. He was laid off a month ago, and now he's applying for jobs. He has a hard time even asking for what he's worth and negotiating. It's tough when you're worried and just want to find a job. However, I think it's so important to put a price on yourself, and pretty much demand that they pay. We are not slaves to these corporations. We have to advocate for ourselves and get what is fair. Otherwise, we get the short end of the stick--and corporations are more than happy to pay as little as they possibly can.

I hope you had a terrific celebration. You've earned it. I hope the raise and increase fundage gives you some peace of mind!

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Response to Tobin S. (Original post)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 02:26 PM

65. Awesome...

...and much success to you and your family. Happy Holidays!!!

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Response to Tobin S. (Original post)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 02:28 PM

66. Congrats

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Response to Tobin S. (Original post)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 03:32 PM

67. Very happy for you! You have the Right To Work--For GOOD PAY!

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