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Sun Feb 10, 2013, 04:17 PM

Guantanamo? Drones? We have to think these things through.

I'm not saying it's easy. But this is thought-provoking, of course from Judgement at Nuremburg:

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Reply Guantanamo? Drones? We have to think these things through. (Original post)
Faygo Kid Feb 2013 OP
99th_Monkey Feb 2013 #1
Faygo Kid Feb 2013 #3
limpyhobbler Feb 2013 #2
jade3000 Feb 2013 #4
99th_Monkey Feb 2013 #6
Catherina Feb 2013 #12
99th_Monkey Feb 2013 #13
jjewell Feb 2013 #5
Bucky Feb 2013 #7
ewagner Feb 2013 #8
zeemike Feb 2013 #9
Spitfire of ATJ Feb 2013 #10
heaven05 Feb 2013 #11
Squaredeal Feb 2013 #14

Response to Faygo Kid (Original post)

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 04:33 PM

1. Thought provoking indeed. This REALLY puts things into more historic perspective.

In fact, it provokes me to think our corporatist neo-fascist government is
dragging our whole nation a harsh limelight, to become a mockery of what
we say we stand for, to become criminals in the courts of international
legal and moral opinion.

Does thinking ^this^thought make me a "suspected terrorist"? How can
things have become so distorted and surreal?

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Reply #1)

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 04:38 PM

3. I don't want to cut corners when it comes to basic decency.

I know it's a rough world out there, but Spencer Tracy's monologue challenges us to be our best. I think we ought to strive to live up to it.

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Response to Faygo Kid (Original post)

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 04:37 PM

2. du rec

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Response to Faygo Kid (Original post)

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 04:42 PM

4. provocative & accurate

we wouldn't stand for what our government is doing if it were a republican in charge of the executive branch.

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Response to jade3000 (Reply #4)

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 05:00 PM

6. +100 Ssshhhhh... FYI

I had a thread locked yesterday saying pretty much this same thing.

Header: When W was President, progressive Democrats used to give a rat's ass
(about civil liberties,, pointless endless war, over-reaching surveillance & spying on
private citizens for the "crime" of caring and acting out of compassion for the nation
and the innocents that are always the victims, the collateral damage, et. al)

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022343055 <--link to my OP
It was a hefty OP, with three "Exhibits A, B & C" featuring Chris Hedges,
along with this 3-4 minute powerhouse, that I just discovered yesterday:
&feature=player_embedded

I'm super-curious if anyone else (such as yourself) can still access this OP &
string of conversation, or is it ONLY ME who can access it, since I was it's author?

Would you be so kind as to try that first link above and let me know?

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Reply #6)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 12:20 AM

12. Everyone can access it

We see the exact same thing you see.

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Response to Catherina (Reply #12)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 02:46 AM

13. Thanx for letting me know.

One less mystery in my Universe.

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Response to Faygo Kid (Original post)

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 04:57 PM

5. "Those who cannot remember the past...

are condemned to repeat it..." - George Santayana

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Response to Faygo Kid (Original post)

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 06:16 PM

7. Mediocre camera work.

The director really needed to get another couple of takes out of Tracy.

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Response to Faygo Kid (Original post)

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 06:19 PM

8. When we delude ourselves...

...that the issue is survival....survival at any cost...we inch closer and closer to becoming the type of people...skilled, honest, patriotic people...who were sitting in the docks at Nuremburg...

it is not without cost....the cost is our individual humanity and our collective, national soul.

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Response to Faygo Kid (Original post)

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 06:49 PM

9. Yep we were great once.

In those days just about everyone that walked out of that movie would have agreed with the good Judge...it would not be so today...the right wingers would have called him a communist socialist Marxist and said his weakness was ruining the country.

It was a slow process from then to now, but slowly they eroded all that idealist stuff right out of our culture and replaced it with self interest and greed...and a cold disregard for humanity...and we let them.

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Response to Faygo Kid (Original post)

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 07:06 PM

10. The United States gave all of that up in the name of Empire....

Also, since our government feels it represents corporations and corporations are psychopathic...

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Response to Faygo Kid (Original post)

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 09:21 PM

11. I wish

we had had a mind such as this, counseling those administration people post 9/11. I do hope innocent people will stop being 'droned' by this administration. And no they are not collateral damage, they are human beings with dreams, hopes and positive expectations of life. Bushmonkey, Darth, Rumbucket, Rice and the rest, should be tried in the Hague. But won't happen. Concerning the children and innocents in Pakistan, Afghanistan and the 100,000 civilians killed in Iraq they are not collateral damage, as I see it. I wish for peace really and I hope people in the present administration come to their senses but that probably won't happen either. Privy to information we don't have or not, the indiscriminate killing has to stop. Right on Faygo Kid.

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Response to Faygo Kid (Original post)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 07:53 AM

14. It starts with the abolition of the draft

Now any American family can turn their heads on what our country is doing because ti doesn't affect them.

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