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Sat Feb 9, 2013, 01:39 PM

Drone Strikes: Keeping it real.



Published on Dec 1, 2012

U.S. drone strikes in Pakistan and Yemen have caused the death of 178 children.


That was then, where are we now? I can't help but wonder, is this really the America most of you thought you were voting for?

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Reply Drone Strikes: Keeping it real. (Original post)
NorthCarolina Feb 2013 OP
Buzz Clik Feb 2013 #1
Democracyinkind Feb 2013 #2
Buzz Clik Feb 2013 #3
ZombieHorde Feb 2013 #4
Buzz Clik Feb 2013 #5
ZombieHorde Feb 2013 #6
Buzz Clik Feb 2013 #7
02potato Feb 2013 #8
LineLineNew Reply I
heaven05 Feb 2013 #12
nineteen50 Feb 2013 #9
triplepoint Feb 2013 #10
patrice Feb 2013 #11
blkmusclmachine Feb 2013 #13

Response to NorthCarolina (Original post)

Sat Feb 9, 2013, 01:46 PM

1. Were you unaware of drone strikes prior to the election?

This is a remarkable part of this discussion -- we are acting like we just found out.

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Response to Buzz Clik (Reply #1)

Sat Feb 9, 2013, 02:00 PM

2. I remember this being an issue on DU under Bush.

The importance of this program has just hit the mainstream, that's why it is so prominent now, I guess. I've perceived a steady increase in media attention on the matter. No doubt some other sources are milking this for its effect as an Anti-Obama prop. But I think overall DU has been pretty consistent in its criticism of the more nefarious aspects of the lethal use of UAVs.

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Response to Democracyinkind (Reply #2)

Sat Feb 9, 2013, 02:02 PM

3. Yep.

I guess this is the shiny object of the week at DU.

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Response to Buzz Clik (Reply #3)

Sat Feb 9, 2013, 02:13 PM

4. Calling dead children "shiny obect of the week" is crass, in my opinion. nt

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Response to ZombieHorde (Reply #4)

Sat Feb 9, 2013, 02:14 PM

5. Gotta love DU. Looking for outrage in all the wrong places.

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Response to Buzz Clik (Reply #5)

Sat Feb 9, 2013, 02:16 PM

6. I feel no outrage toward you. You're percieving outrage in all the wrong places. nt

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Response to ZombieHorde (Reply #6)

Sat Feb 9, 2013, 02:18 PM

7. Sure. You go, zombie.

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Response to NorthCarolina (Original post)

Sat Feb 9, 2013, 02:52 PM

8. when I would post a drone video with one month before

the election it would go to the jury , it was censured,
and I was tossed off the board...

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Response to 02potato (Reply #8)

Sat Feb 9, 2013, 07:07 PM

12. I

hear you....

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Response to NorthCarolina (Original post)

Sat Feb 9, 2013, 03:40 PM

9. Do you wonder how we

would respond if this was happening to Americans in American? No you know how we would react. Do Pakistanis not bleed or pain do they not revenge?

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Response to NorthCarolina (Original post)

Sat Feb 9, 2013, 03:55 PM

10. Drone Compilation--Informative Pics, Graphs,Charts

 




















































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Response to NorthCarolina (Original post)

Sat Feb 9, 2013, 05:59 PM

11. My problem isn't in recognizing that THIS IS THE TRUTH & IT MATTERS,

but that we have ever been thus and now, for some reason, it's a big deal because some people, NOT everyone posting such videos, NOT everyone opposing drones, just SOME people, who have possibly been a part of the whole thing all along, suddenly want to make it an opportunity to get Obama, for the sake of getting PO/the Democrats alone, NOT for the children's sake, but for other agendas that they can afford to implement in diverse ways, including by using ambitious others who can work both sides of anything.

Remember, I'm not saying everyone concerned is doing so, just certain, select, and perhaps the most powerful of all involved, could have agendas for which pro/anti-drone program supports are possibly only a crow-bar. Which possibility means that those opposing drones, on very possibly significantly limited information, can go the limit and may find themselves the subject of a bait-and-switch, whether they recognize/admit that possibility or not, and thus, end up making the whole situation worse for everyone, including those innocent others in Pakistan that they are now trying to defend.

Have I said anything that may not be true? Is it not true that it has EVER been thus, so it is reasonable to wonder why there is so much hue and cry now? or how all of this would go down under other leadership? Consider:

Does it matter to everyone involved in this question that this country was founded on genocide?
Does it matter that WE, not our government, abuse and kill our own constantly and always have?
Depending upon how one defines viable, at least hypothetically, what about abortion? What about multiple abortions for the same persons? I can guess what might constitute a threat to the life of a mother, but what constitutes a threat to her "health" and, really, why is abortion so much more popular than adoption? I am Pro-Choice, but choice is something between TWO or more alternatives, and anyone would have to be blind not to see that those alternatives are waaaaaaaaay out of balance in our culture, so questions ARE appropriate about why even relatively late abortions are acceptable, but drone programs are not.
What about all of the other people the USA is responsible for their deaths?
What about all of our own soldiers that we killed in Iraq?
Can you see why some of us are wondering about motive, NOW???

Please know that I do not dishonor what we see in this video, so I accept the politically incorrect risks of pointing out questions that it appears that others are ignoring and I ask why is that.

Pakistan is beyond my ken; I don't know who represents whom there. Who does really know? and for all that, were we to authentically know who is holding whom hostage, what do we really know about what would happen were that configuration to change? Again, I'm not saying that I approve of drone programs, just that I am not willing to pretend that what we don't know doesn't matter on just whoever's say so.

Innocent deaths are NOT acceptable. The wheel that has been grinding the blood and these bones for so long is bigger than just drones, bigger than just Pakistan. I don't wish to risk a pyrrhic victory. I could be so much more supportive of these concerns if I could trust that others are admitting that there are agendas that do place getting Obama and the Democrats ahead of actually doing anything real about changing the things that create drone programs in one form or another wherever whenever THEY choose, no matter what our individual positions in support of or against what is currently happening are.

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Response to NorthCarolina (Original post)

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 04:12 AM

13. When's that "Change you can believe in" start ???

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