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Mon Feb 4, 2013, 11:34 AM

 

Tens of thousands of Neo-Nazis march in Greece - video & info

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Detailed political analysis of the rise of the far right in Greece and elsewhere in Europe by Vassiliki Georgiadou, Associate Professor of Political Science in Panteion University, Athens, in the Department of Political Science and History. Her research focus includes political behavior and social cleavages, right-wing parties and political extremism in Western and Southern Europe. She is the editor of the books: "The Extreme Right; Ideology - Politics – Parties," and author of "The Far Right and the consequences of consensus. Denmark, Norway, Netherlands, Switzerland, Austria, Germany." -----

http://www.re-public.gr/en/?p=5028

(I originally saw reference to her and posting of the video here, no endorsement of the site's editorial policies intended: http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/164879#.UQ_Oohy8OiE )

This is a truly terrifying development in Greece, the rise of its neo-Nazi, anti-immigrant and anti-Semitic Golden Dawn movement that now has 7 percent of the seats in the Greek parliament.

I'm very eager to hear everyone's thoughts on this. I find particularly notable the professor's observation that the neo-Nazis sugar-coat their extremism in order to get into power. We see this, of course, with the Tea Party, which insists it is defending the Constitution.

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Reply Tens of thousands of Neo-Nazis march in Greece - video & info (Original post)
wellspring Feb 2013 OP
sulphurdunn Feb 2013 #1
Reno Master Feb 2013 #2
another_liberal Feb 2013 #8
LongTomH Feb 2013 #3
freshwest Feb 2013 #4
phantom power Feb 2013 #5
Diclotican Feb 2013 #11
freshwest Feb 2013 #6
Renew Deal Feb 2013 #16
freshwest Feb 2013 #17
another_liberal Feb 2013 #7
geefloyd46 Feb 2013 #9
Diclotican Feb 2013 #10
zebonaut Feb 2013 #12
MrSlayer Feb 2013 #13
limpyhobbler Feb 2013 #14
deutsey Feb 2013 #15
MrMickeysMom Feb 2013 #18

Response to wellspring (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 11:38 AM

1. Fascist parties

always work for the banks.

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Response to wellspring (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 12:10 PM

2. All the smoke and fire reminds me of book burning.

Last edited Tue Feb 5, 2013, 10:15 PM - Edit history (3)

"Dort wo man Bücher verbrennt, verbrennt man auch am Ende Menschen." - Heinrich Heine

http://www.ushmm.org/wlc/en/article.php?ModuleId=10005852

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Response to Reno Master (Reply #2)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 03:39 PM

8. It reminds me . . .

It reminds me of old films of the huge nighttime rallies held in Nuremburg, just as was no doubt intended.

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Response to wellspring (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 02:06 PM

3. Scary stuff! Whenever social tensions rise, due to growing inequality, the far right always emerges

.....along with the left. In Depression-era America, there was a 'Brownshirt' movement along with Socialists and Communists.

The growing Fascist and Neo-Nazi movements in Europe along with the various RW militias and Neo-Confederate organizations are a major threat to Democracy. The growing anger over inequality could produce a populist left-wing movement and a new Progressive Era or a descent into a racist, fundamentalist fascism that could last for decades.

By the way, I'm one of the people who still sees the Religious Right and the Tea Party as continuing threats. They've been around for decades; they've just changed the labels.

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Response to LongTomH (Reply #3)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 02:42 PM

4. +1. I read the links associated with this and saw the comments page. I wonder who is funding this.

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Response to wellspring (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 02:56 PM

5. times of financial and political upheaval are always dangerous

they're soft targets for nationalist and racist movements. We got lucky in the Great Depression 1.0, we ended up with FDR. We might have ended up more like Germany.

On the "bright side" (if you can call it that), I don't think Greece has the industrial base to become a war power the way Nazi Germany did.

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Response to phantom power (Reply #5)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 05:03 PM

11. Phantom Power

Phantom Power

Greece itself might not have the industrial base to become a balkan superpower of sorts - but they do have a rather mighty military, a decent army, air force and naval force.. And the Balkans have been a power cage for at least two decades now... A lot of ethnic, race and ideology into the mix - and also the fact that some of the borders is not exactly put the smartest way, when it come to ethnic population... Balkan was a power cage in the 1990s, who exploded when Yugoslavia was blown up - and even now it is simmering a lot of unfinished business from many parties, who was not happy when the wars ended...

If the neo-Nazism really got into office - I'm not sure what the outcome would be... But If my knowledge about Balkan is correct - it will be messy before the dust settle again.. As it was, when the Yugoslavian war ended... A lot of unfinished business who still is a danger to the security of the people in the region...

And yes the US was dam lucky you ended up with FDR and was the bastion who the rest of the world could get help from, when the Axis was waging wars all over the place. And after Pearl Harbor, the US helped Europe - and the rest of the world to stop the Nazisms won the war... All the fact that it was a lot of sympathy for Germany in part of the american population - and you have some of the richest people in the world, who was giving NSDAP, or the nazi party in US, a lot of resources and money - and even wanted to overthrown FDR in a military coup... Thanks to some brave generals, FDR was not overthrown by a military coup - an FDR was sitting as the US president in most of the war, until his death in 1944..

Diclotican

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Response to wellspring (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 03:16 PM

6. Ugh, the comments on that page. Is that the Greek national anthem?

That appears to be a crowd of people with a lot of time and money on their hands out in the street that night. Looks like a professional production. Who is funding this group and is this being used as a recruiting video for them?



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Response to freshwest (Reply #6)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 12:15 AM

16. The first song is the national anthem

The second is some nationalistic bullshit

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Response to Renew Deal (Reply #16)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 12:27 AM

17. Thank you. I know someone who speaks a dozen language but not Greek.

That loud, strong call in the second one - it can't be Seig Heil because they don't have a fearless leader, apparently. But it was all eerily reminiscent of the old black and white footage of rallies in Germany back in the thirties. I can't help but think they are being funded by some old reactionary group like the Koches are here - too many similarities.

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Response to wellspring (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 03:20 PM

7. Isn't austerity working . . .?

Isn't austerity working just great for the Greek people? At least it is for the Greek people who admire Hitler. How proud the bankers and their technocrat allies must be of all they have managed to achieve? More austerity for everyone!

Maybe next Spain will see a rebirth of Franco's Falange Party fascists? After all, the bankers still insist on being paid, right?

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Response to wellspring (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 04:34 PM

9. When is Greece going to be something other than a throw away line

that people use for cheap political points.

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Response to wellspring (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 04:51 PM

10. wellspring

wellspring

Scary indeed - I have a keen interst in history - and this looks not good for the future of Greece... When ten of thousands, maybe hundreds of thousands of young people is out of a job - have no future, and some is coming along and telling that they can give you future, many tend to do that - go into this type of ideologies, and the consequences can be fatal for a whole generation...

And by the way - the far right in Norway is as of now, of no danger as the far right is to splintered into small groups and parties who have no real possibility of getting real political power in our Parliament.. And as our economy at this time, is in great shape compared to rest of Europe, I doubt the far right will have a possibility to get into any form of power.. Even though the conservatives have the possibility to get into office this year (but, it are not the same as the Conservatives in the US by any means, compared to them, our conservatives is liberal, bordering to sosialist/communist... In fact the only party on the right, who do have a possibility of coming to power this year, it is general election in September this year FRP, have tried it best to clean up it acts - as they did have many from the far right, who tried to get an impasse to the party in the early to mid 1990s.. They was kind of thrown out of the party.. But even then FRP have a dodgy past, and most of the other parties in Norway would not have FRP In government at almost every cost.. I doubt any neo-nazistic party have the posiblity to be elected in Norway anytime soon - as most pepole in norway see to be rather imune to that type of ideology, but who know what is in store 5-10 maybe 20 year down the road...

Diclotican

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Response to wellspring (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 06:28 PM

12. Have the angry right wingers learned nothing from history?

This kind of thing; ahem; has happened in the past. It resulted in a destroyed nation and 50 million deaths. Or do these freaks just not read at all?

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Response to wellspring (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 06:31 PM

13. They have the pageantry down pretty well.

 

Of course I have no idea what they're saying but they do know how to present.

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Response to wellspring (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 07:24 PM

14. This won't help their tourism industry. nt

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Response to wellspring (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 07:53 PM

15. This was probably the next song



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Response to wellspring (Original post)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 12:30 AM

18. Truly troubling to see this...

What has happened to Greece economically ... is it no less a driver of what happened to Germany post WWI? They are ripe for it.

Economically, Iceland has taken the other route. We NEED to compare and contrast where this ultimately places the United States.

Awful...

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