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Thu Jan 17, 2013, 10:34 AM

The Next Generation of Manhood

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Reply The Next Generation of Manhood (Original post)
redqueen Jan 2013 OP
AtheistCrusader Jan 2013 #1
seabeyond Jan 2013 #5
AtheistCrusader Jan 2013 #7
seabeyond Jan 2013 #8
AtheistCrusader Jan 2013 #9
seabeyond Jan 2013 #13
seabeyond Jan 2013 #14
2ndAmendmentRights Jan 2013 #16
AtheistCrusader Jan 2013 #18
seabeyond Jan 2013 #20
Behind the Aegis Jan 2013 #17
AtheistCrusader Jan 2013 #19
seabeyond Jan 2013 #21
lumberjack_jeff Jan 2013 #2
redqueen Jan 2013 #3
lumberjack_jeff Jan 2013 #11
seabeyond Jan 2013 #6
lumberjack_jeff Jan 2013 #10
seabeyond Jan 2013 #12
seabeyond Jan 2013 #4
Victor_c3 Jan 2013 #15

Response to redqueen (Original post)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 11:01 AM

1. I wish I could play like a girl.



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Then there's real football...
http://www.myxer.com/video:1522041/

Wish I could run like a girl too. I get chicked in marathons all the time. Straight up get my ass kicked. Doesn't bother me. Just competition. Without competition, I don't get any better.

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Response to AtheistCrusader (Reply #1)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 11:47 AM

5. i talked about her at the christmas dinner table. my 70 yr old father, brother, and two sons ALL

had heard about this girl and was raving about her.

it is an awesome video.

but, it was more fun listening to the men in my life talk about her.

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Response to seabeyond (Reply #5)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 11:52 AM

7. As far as society goes, this is a really interesting time to be alive.

So many new possibilities, new ideas, new conversations, new heroes. We have lots to do, and there are always setbacks, but I like the direction we are going in.

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Response to AtheistCrusader (Reply #7)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 11:54 AM

8. as a woman, i dont feel it so much. honestly. i think we have become public with our misogyny

and an environment that is incredibly hostile to women and getting worse. it is not fun being a woman walking in the nasty every. single. fuckin. day.

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Response to seabeyond (Reply #8)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 12:26 PM

9. I imagine the climate is wildly different, in different areas of the country.

I'm sorry that you have to deal with that. It's not fair, and it's not right that people stand by and let it happen either. Not to say it doesn't happen at all here in the PacNW, it does. But I think what's left of it here is a lot less vicious. More daylight you shine at it, it just goes away. The worst of what is left, happens underground/behind closed doors here. Some dude spouts some vile sexist bullshit, and people will openly call him on it.

An example, I sew. I have a sewing machine. My wife doesn't even know how to turn the machine on. I am completely open about this and at first, my male friends were like 'whut?'. They didn't understand. Then it became ribbing. Then one of them ripped an expensive maxpedition backpack. I fixed it. Mockery no more. Now I'm teaching them how to braid paracord, and make simple repairs. I can wax philosophical about how I might craft a dress that I think would look amazing on my wife, and I get nodding and 'yeah, that makes sense'. Proper application of a simple skill, and I can dispel a 'women's work' myth, just like that.

50 years ago, I think that sort of thing comes with a lifelong negative 'somthin' wrong with that boy' reputation.


Now, what happens behind closed doors.. that's probably another story. But the more conversations we can have in the open, the more we can break down these artificial gender barriers, and outgrow.

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Response to AtheistCrusader (Reply #9)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 12:59 PM

13. you see it in our politics. you see it in our laws. our tvs. movies. music. everytime we are on

the internet. news across the world and in the u.s.

not to mention real life.

people, men, seem to feel they can spout off any misogynist comment they want. and even if there is an uproar it is just minutes before women see it again.

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Response to AtheistCrusader (Reply #9)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 01:00 PM

14. but... i LOVE your personal story.

and i too live that life within my family.

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Response to AtheistCrusader (Reply #7)

Fri Jan 18, 2013, 10:16 PM

16. Wait, what?

 

Wait, what?

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Response to 2ndAmendmentRights (Reply #16)

Sat Jan 19, 2013, 02:00 PM

18. What.

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Response to AtheistCrusader (Reply #18)

Sat Jan 19, 2013, 03:06 PM

20. poster is tos'ed. went around to a number of posts and said only that

post building.

i was all... wait what? myself. lol

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Response to AtheistCrusader (Reply #1)

Fri Jan 18, 2013, 10:51 PM

17. She is not being allowed to play next year!

She has created a petition (http://www.change.org/petitions/let-girls-play-football-stop-the-discrimination-by-the-archdiocese-of-philadelphia-cyo-office) to have the rules changed to allow her to play. She is a neat girl. I saw her on "Ellen" and what was happening. I thought you might like to know.

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Response to Behind the Aegis (Reply #17)

Sat Jan 19, 2013, 02:07 PM

19. Now THAT is a crock of shit.

Petition signed.

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Response to Behind the Aegis (Reply #17)

Sat Jan 19, 2013, 03:07 PM

21. aaahhhh. thanks for letting us know. i will spread the word. thanks. nt

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Response to redqueen (Original post)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 11:16 AM

2. Or: "how to raise funds for "mens" organizations 101"

Their last 990 form submitted was in 2007. No financial information can be found on Tony's website.

http://www.guidestar.org/organizations/84-1681119/a-call-men-natl-assoc-men-committed-ending.aspx

FWIW, the nonprofit I work at has 2011 data available at the above site.

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Response to lumberjack_jeff (Reply #2)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 11:26 AM

3. Yeah, they apparently don't have the "legitimacy" of noteworthy leaders like Glenn Sacks.

I get that you absolutely cannot stand the message this video is putting out there, and had to find SOME excuse to post something critical.

You have my sympathy, I guess.

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Response to redqueen (Reply #3)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 12:31 PM

11. Okay. Simple question.

Is the organization a legitimate nonprofit, or a clever income-producing scam tactic? As the OP, surely you can answer this question.

And since you brought it up, Glenn Sacks isn't currently affiliated with any nonprofit, and the organization he once belonged to, "Fathers and families, Inc" is current on their nonprofit filings.

http://www.guidestar.org/organizations/04-3409728/fathers-families.aspx

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Response to lumberjack_jeff (Reply #2)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 11:48 AM

6. but... do you like what you hear him saying? nt

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Response to seabeyond (Reply #6)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 12:29 PM

10. The problems that boys and young men face are urgent enough to stand on their own merits.

They don't need to be sold in terms of how a young man's fragile self-image hurts women and girls.

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Response to lumberjack_jeff (Reply #10)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 12:45 PM

12. wow. gotcha. nt

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Response to redqueen (Original post)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 11:45 AM

4. hold onto the MANY wonderful aspects of manhood.......

please. do.

and remove those things that hold men back.

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Response to redqueen (Original post)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 02:03 PM

15. I'll throw a +1 at that

I want my two little girls (aged 2 and 4) to grow up strong, empowered, safe, and respected. I want their labor to worth the same as a man's. There are huge differences between the way men and women are treated in our society and it all starts from the time they are born. My favorite example is when I try to buy shoes for my two girls to play outside in. When I go shoe shopping, almost all of the shoes for little girls are "pretty" shoes and it is hard to just find a decent sneaker for a toddler girl to run around outside and play in.

I recently went to a second hand sale and perused the books section with my kids. They had the books divided into "boy's" books and "girl's" books. The "girl's" books were all about princesses and arts and crafts. The "boy's" were filled with everything from sports to monster trucks to dinosaurs and science. Needless to say, I went home with an arm-full of "boys" books for my daughters. Not that "girl" stuff like arts and crafts aren't something a girl and a women should enjoy, but who is to say that arts and crafts are only for girls and science is only for boys? I work as a chemist and I'm extremely interested in science. So I pass on what I think is important to my kids, namely science. When I do work around the house my two daughters are interested in watching and I let them play with the hammer, nails, screws, and other tools (as appropriate). They also see their dad cook and clean the house and fold the laundry. I've changed my fair share of diapers and I think that is important for my daughters to see.

I wish I could find the article, but the demographics are changing. Not by a huge amount, but girls and women are more likely to go to college and score better in school and college than boys their same age in this next upcoming generation. As a whole, their job prospects and the chances that they'll be the primary income earner in their future households is increasing. Things are changing and our society will have to change too.

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