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Wed Jan 9, 2013, 08:51 AM

 

Piers Morgan's Anti-gun Argument Destroyed in Reality Check

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Reply Piers Morgan's Anti-gun Argument Destroyed in Reality Check (Original post)
Dokkie Jan 2013 OP
BeyondGeography Jan 2013 #1
Ineeda Jan 2013 #2
NYC Liberal Jan 2013 #6
Dokkie Jan 2013 #8
NYC Liberal Jan 2013 #9
Agschmid Jan 2013 #21
KansDem Jan 2013 #18
TheCowsCameHome Jan 2013 #3
CTyankee Jan 2013 #4
JaneyVee Jan 2013 #5
Dokkie Jan 2013 #7
ProgressiveProfessor Jan 2013 #10
Dokkie Jan 2013 #12
marble falls Jan 2013 #13
Dokkie Jan 2013 #14
marble falls Jan 2013 #15
ProgressiveProfessor Jan 2013 #11
blackspade Jan 2013 #16
tclambert Jan 2013 #17
busterbrown Jan 2013 #19
LiberalLovinLug Jan 2013 #20
ErikJ Jan 2013 #22
bowens43 Jan 2013 #23

Response to Dokkie (Original post)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 09:03 AM

1. Oh stuff this bullshit in a corner somewhere

It's all designed to suggest that our Wild West approach to guns makes us safer. Take assault rifles away and our violent crime rate will soar. Let's have the wrong conversation and create false doubts; the Right is very gifted at just this sort of tactic. Thank you for playing along.

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Response to Dokkie (Original post)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 09:05 AM

2. From the title, I'm gonna assume this is a pro-gun thread

so there's no way in hell I'll click the clip. The petty, nit-picking (again an assumption) 'facts' presented might be 100% accurate, but the indisputable 'Reality Check' is that 30,000 Americans are murdered by guns every year. This has to stop. The gun advocates (I call them gun nuts, but whatever) could be part of the solution instead of the entire problem.

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Response to Ineeda (Reply #2)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 09:14 AM

6. I watched it. You're right...

Piers Morgan said 35 UK gun murders vs 11,000 US gun murders in 2011.

This video claims that's horribly wrong and inaccurate. See, they say, there were 59 gun murders in the UK and a little over 8,000 in the US.

Laughable.

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Response to NYC Liberal (Reply #6)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 09:27 AM

8. A 40% increase from Rate Piers reported

 

is not laughable. Gun deaths are not funny

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Response to Dokkie (Reply #8)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 10:10 AM

9. Peddling bullshit is very laughable.

No argument was "destroyed". Not even close.

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Response to Dokkie (Reply #8)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 06:52 PM

21. Your argument is laughable...

So basically 40% of almost 0 is well still almost 0 compared to 11,000.

Hello is Alex there?

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Response to NYC Liberal (Reply #6)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 04:59 PM

18. "...horribly wrong and inaccurate."

What should we expect from a mindset that believes 26 cases of voter fraud in the state of Texas is an "epidemic."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x3304752

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Response to Dokkie (Original post)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 09:11 AM

3. Go to 1:50, then stick this video up your ass

They take issue with Morgan's claim of only 35 deaths, and they say it was actually 59?

Whoopty-fucking-do.

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Response to Dokkie (Original post)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 09:12 AM

4. Using Fox as a legitimate "balanced" news outlet won't get you far on this site.

I guess it was a nice try, but really, this just makes you look a bit foolish..."a word to the wise is sufficient..."

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Response to Dokkie (Original post)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 09:14 AM

5. At least find a lefty organization. This BS propaganda has no place here.

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Response to JaneyVee (Reply #5)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 09:24 AM

7. Lefty organization that is pro gun?

 

Please pass the name along once you find one. I have been looking all week for one

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Response to Dokkie (Reply #7)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 10:23 AM

10. There are several, mostly web based

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Response to ProgressiveProfessor (Reply #10)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 10:39 AM

12. Feel free to direct me to their websites

 

I just have never seen or heard of one.

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Response to Dokkie (Reply #12)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 01:46 PM

13. Its called 'google'.

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Response to marble falls (Reply #13)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 02:28 PM

14. Here is what I found

 

"Gun Loving Liberal; http://www.gunlovingliberal.com /

Black Man With A Gun; http://kennblanchard.com /
(This one is pretty christian, but liberal and certainly pro-gun)

Liberals With Guns; http://www.liberalswithguns.com /

Liberal Gun Club; http://www.theliberalgunclub.com /
One of the largest and getting better. Have their card in my wallet.

Pink Pistols; http://www.pinkpistols.org/index2.html
(Gays for-and with-guns, has local chapters...now in Canada, too!)

American Gun Culture Report; http://www.americangunculturereport.com /

Thanks for your interest-there are more Liberal pro-gun sites, but these will get you started and I am sure there are many people here who will find something for them in these sites."


All from an old DU post. The thing here is all but the 2nd link are inactive websites with currents events in it. The rest(goggle search finds) are pro gun liberal forums. Now I will ask again, can u give me the link of any credible liberal pro gun website.

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Response to marble falls (Reply #13)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 03:35 PM

15. If you are so serious about this you can find left pro-gun groups.

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Response to Dokkie (Original post)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 10:28 AM

11. One media talking head takes on another media talking head

They are both in it for the ratings and nothing more

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Response to Dokkie (Original post)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 03:36 PM

16. There are several problems with this clip....

the biggest is that the premise of the 'report' does not actually undermine Morgan's point, that there is far fewer homicides in Britain than the the US per 100000 people.
Another is his constant conflation between homicides and general crime which are a separate consideration.

This 'reality check' is a bunch of bullshit.

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Response to Dokkie (Original post)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 04:16 PM

17. Piers Morgan said the UK had 35 gun killings and the US had 11,000.

Well, he was wrong! The UK had 59, and the US only had 8,000. Therefore, Morgan's point is completely invalid! Or not! And as far as the rate goes, well, remember the US has about 5 times the population. So, instead of a factor of 135 difference, it's more like 675 times higher here.

Therefore, Piers Morgan is a liar and we Americans need even more guns. And people in England talk funny, too.

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Response to Dokkie (Original post)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 05:28 PM

19. I find fewer and fewer DU gunners on threads these days spewing NRA rhetoric.

The tide might be changing and maybe just maybe some of these guys,girls...Might see a need for some change..

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Response to Dokkie (Original post)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 06:44 PM

20. England is the most violent country in the....

...EU.

Unbelievable!.......................................not.

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Response to Dokkie (Original post)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 07:23 PM

22. US has 4 times higher murder rate than UK.

Per 100,000 people

United Kingdom 1.2..... 722
United States 4.8....... 14,748

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate

And notice that Honduras and El Salvadore have the highest in the world with Mexico not far behind. This is a result of the US war on drugs undoubtedly. So we not only outsource our jobs but outsource our crime and murder to neighboring countries.

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Response to Dokkie (Original post)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 09:45 PM

23. you forgot to post the part where the argument gets destroyed......

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