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Sat Dec 29, 2012, 07:12 PM

Has capitalism proven its durability? w/ Chris Hedges & Richard Wolff



interview on Al Jazeera English

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Reply Has capitalism proven its durability? w/ Chris Hedges & Richard Wolff (Original post)
limpyhobbler Dec 2012 OP
snappyturtle Dec 2012 #1
geefloyd46 Dec 2012 #2
limpyhobbler Dec 2012 #10
Jack Rabbit Dec 2012 #11
tama Dec 2012 #12
ricardA Dec 2012 #3
Amonester Dec 2012 #7
ricardA Dec 2012 #4
ricardA Dec 2012 #5
MNBrewer Dec 2012 #6
loudsue Dec 2012 #8
MNBrewer Dec 2012 #9
pam4water Dec 2012 #13

Response to limpyhobbler (Original post)

Sat Dec 29, 2012, 08:52 PM

1. Excellent! nt

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Response to snappyturtle (Reply #1)

Sat Dec 29, 2012, 09:27 PM

2. I think this is some of what Hedges is talking about with Moby Dick and the Pequad

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Response to geefloyd46 (Reply #2)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 02:32 PM

10. Very interesting.

Thanks for that context.

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Response to geefloyd46 (Reply #2)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 02:57 PM

11. In one of the videos you posted on another thread . . .

In one of the videos you posted on another thread one of the critics interviewed spoke of Captain Ahab of being an almost "Hitlerian" tyrant. In this one, they touch on "why we fail" to successfully confront tyrants such as Hitler, Stalin or Mao.

I have read Moby Dick more than once. The Ahab/Hitler analogy was not lost on me, and seems remarkable in that Melville could not have dreamed of Hitler, or even Stalin and Mao, who willfully murdered whole populations. A bad ruler to Melville and his contemporaries was something like Bush the Frat Boy, who neglected his duty to keep the people of his country safe from natural disasters or organize relief when a disaster strikes, started dubious wars for his own glory and touted the supremacy of the elite over the common people. In other words, they were the Bourbon Kings of eighteenth century France, whose fate was a rather bad one.

Yet the chapter of Moby Dick that most struck me in that aspect was omitted in the videos of this series that I've watched so far. That was where Ahab nailed a Spanish doubloon to the mast and decreed that it would go to the man who first sights the white whale. Growing up, I always had a fascination with history. One of the great mysteries of history, at least to me, was how the German people could have taken Hitler seriously in the first place. Reading Shirer's The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich didn't answer any questions for me, only provided reasons for why nobody should have found Hitler appealing. When I was in my twenties, I read Hitler: A Study in Tyranny by Alan Bullock, which did more than any other book I've read before or since to answer that question.

Bullock's Hitler was a smooth talker. He promised Germans the realization of a long term goal in which, under his leadership, they would be the masters of the earth. Stalin and Mao promised the people of the old Russian Empire and China a new utopian order in which they would live in perfect peace and happiness because all social class distinctions would be eliminated and, with that, all human conflict would become a thing of the past. The future thus envisioned was, for each of these leaders, Ahab's Spanish doubloon nailed to the mast. This should also explain how free market fundamentalists, i.e., today's financial and industrial robber barons, manage to get support from some of the common people whom they are fucking over with mortgage fraud and low wages.

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Response to Jack Rabbit (Reply #11)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 03:11 PM

12. Donkey and carrot

 

Fools most of them most of the time.

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Response to limpyhobbler (Original post)

Sat Dec 29, 2012, 11:48 PM

3. Capitalism may need a CAP

 

You are the experts, but if one asummes that there's a given amount of capital in circulation and all the means to achieve it out of the wealth pie are rigged or unrestricted for a minority, and the playing field is the world, the results ought to be what we are witnessing.

So a limit to wealth ought to serve a good purpose in this situation. It's plurality, it's freedom, it's a good bussiness mentality, it's humanitarian, it even goes according to natural laws.

If the meaning of capitalism was false to start with, or it evolved to to this one, then a common sense and mathematically more correct proposal like the limit to wealth oug much oppossition.ht to find not

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Response to ricardA (Reply #3)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 12:39 PM

7. Capitalism was a system created in the middle-ages for that period.

In its own primitive form, it should be clear to everyone today that it's way outdated.

But I am a realist, and I don't believe in rosy scenarios, so I am pretty sure it will get worse long before an effective-enough cure will be implemented in time.

Get it while you can, and be good to your neighbors.

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Response to limpyhobbler (Original post)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 12:07 AM

4. A New economic system and society to start in less than 3 months

 

I say that many willing and competent people ought to get together on the web to draft a defined proposal that works, and then take it to their governments to be put in place ASAP. But that will require indeed some kind of bulk planning and current numbers. It should include people from accross the spectrum of societies and cultures. Otherwise nothing useful will happen.

If 'none of the implemented solutions' the current system is a different one. Be it by rules or by concept. If so, then nothing will work, so that has to be clarified at the working table to fix this problem

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Response to limpyhobbler (Original post)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 12:11 AM

5. and

 

I'm tired of all this persistent typos, believe me they come out of nowhere.

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Response to limpyhobbler (Original post)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 11:18 AM

6. If only one of the two major parties would take a stand against Capitalism.

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Response to MNBrewer (Reply #6)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 01:46 PM

8. When pigs fly.

That is how they survive.

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Response to loudsue (Reply #8)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 01:59 PM

9. They serve their masters well.

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Response to limpyhobbler (Original post)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 11:30 PM

13. Marked to watch later.

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