Sat Dec 22, 2012, 08:41 AM

proud2BlibKansan (96,356 posts)

Yes, Virginia, There is No Jesus (A Christmas Message for Parents)

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Yes, Virginia, There is No Jesus (A Christmas Message for Parents) (Original post)	proud2BlibKansan	Dec 2012	OP
"Just ignore the dogma and magic crap" was my favorite line LOL	flying_wahini	Dec 2012	#1
Mine too. Excellent vid.	Buzz Clik	Dec 2012	#2
Didn't end well for that comedy troop. nt	onehandle	Dec 2012	#3
Is that because they're about as funny as cancer?	whathehell	Dec 2012	#4
Did you not watch to the end?	thesquanderer	Dec 2012	#12
What happened?	proud2BlibKansan	Dec 2012	#6
Moving Faith/the Rock in to Law/Capitalism has lead to sinking sand.	DhhD	Dec 2012	#5
Besides being about "as funny as cancer" it's just plain wrong. There was an actual Jesus	xtraxritical	Dec 2012	#7
Well Maybe Not - See Recent Scholarship - Caesar's Messiah: The Roman Conspiracy to Invent Jesus	cantbeserious	Dec 2012	#8
When I see some "scholarship" challenging the reality of Moses, Mohamed and Buddha,	whathehell	Dec 2012	#10
Not that the reality of one has any bearing on the reality of others, but...	thesquanderer	Dec 2012	#13
Nice work, but I think the larger point is that	whathehell	Dec 2012	#17
Really??	thesquanderer	Dec 2012	#18
On this board -- Really.	whathehell	Dec 2012	#19
I didn't know you were talking about DU	thesquanderer	Dec 2012	#20
Okay, That explains it.	whathehell	Dec 2012	#21
agreed, whathehell.	roguevalley	Dec 2012	#14
Thank you, Roque.	whathehell	Dec 2012	#16
Might I suggest Bart Ehrman instead.	mmonk	Dec 2012	#15
Thank you. I agree.	whathehell	Dec 2012	#9
Christian holidays tend to bring out the Big Sneer from many Atheists here. I'd attribute it	whathehell	Dec 2012	#11

Response to proud2BlibKansan (Original post)

Sat Dec 22, 2012, 09:18 AM

flying_wahini (1,009 posts)

1. "Just ignore the dogma and magic crap" was my favorite line LOL

n/t

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Sat Dec 22, 2012, 09:44 AM

Buzz Clik (28,669 posts)

2. Mine too. Excellent vid.

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Response to proud2BlibKansan (Original post)

Sat Dec 22, 2012, 10:15 AM

onehandle (35,369 posts)

3. Didn't end well for that comedy troop. nt

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Response to onehandle (Reply #3)

Sat Dec 22, 2012, 10:23 AM

whathehell (11,414 posts)

4. Is that because they're about as funny as cancer?

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Seriously, though, what happened to them?

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Sun Dec 23, 2012, 02:21 AM

thesquanderer (1,104 posts)

12. Did you not watch to the end?

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God/Jesus strikes them off the "going to Heaven" list.

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Response to onehandle (Reply #3)

Sat Dec 22, 2012, 10:37 AM

proud2BlibKansan (96,356 posts)

6. What happened?

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Response to proud2BlibKansan (Original post)

Sat Dec 22, 2012, 10:30 AM

DhhD (728 posts)

5. Moving Faith/the Rock in to Law/Capitalism has lead to sinking sand.

Christ threw the money changer Men out of the Temple along with the hall decker Women.

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Response to proud2BlibKansan (Original post)

Sat Dec 22, 2012, 11:53 AM

xtraxritical (2,931 posts)

7. Besides being about "as funny as cancer" it's just plain wrong. There was an actual Jesus

weather or not he was the Son of God born of a virgin and raised the dead etc. is pure speculation.

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Response to xtraxritical (Reply #7)

Sat Dec 22, 2012, 12:10 PM

cantbeserious (1,966 posts)

8. Well Maybe Not - See Recent Scholarship - Caesar's Messiah: The Roman Conspiracy to Invent Jesus

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Response to cantbeserious (Reply #8)

Sat Dec 22, 2012, 12:35 PM

whathehell (11,414 posts)

10. When I see some "scholarship" challenging the reality of Moses, Mohamed and Buddha,

I might check out Jesus as well.

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Response to whathehell (Reply #10)

Sun Dec 23, 2012, 02:24 AM

thesquanderer (1,104 posts)

13. Not that the reality of one has any bearing on the reality of others, but...

http://www.bandoli.no/moses.htm

http://fellowshipofminds.wordpress.com/2012/04/24/was-islams-founder-muhammad-a-real-man-or-an-invention/

http://www.truthbeknown.com/buddha.htm

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Response to thesquanderer (Reply #13)

Sun Dec 23, 2012, 09:51 AM

whathehell (11,414 posts)

17. Nice work, but I think the larger point is that

those personages and the religions they symbolize are altogether forgotten

here when certain atheists here seek a religion to "parody" and sneer at.

When those religions, their founders and followers come even CLOSE to being

mocked and villified in the manner in which Christianity is, I may feel more moved to dispassionate inquiry.

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Response to whathehell (Reply #17)

Sun Dec 23, 2012, 12:57 PM

thesquanderer (1,104 posts)

18. Really??

re: "When those religions, their founders and followers come even CLOSE to being mocked and villified in the manner in which Christianity is..."

You're kidding, right?

You think Christianity is more vilified than Islam? In this country?

And have you never heard of anti-Semitism? The only religious intolerance that has its own name!

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Response to thesquanderer (Reply #18)

Sun Dec 23, 2012, 05:04 PM

whathehell (11,414 posts)

19. On this board -- Really.

I was confining my statements to Democratic Underground...You haven't

been here very long, it seems.

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Response to whathehell (Reply #19)

Sun Dec 23, 2012, 05:22 PM

thesquanderer (1,104 posts)

20. I didn't know you were talking about DU

I've been here 8 years, but not religiously.

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Response to thesquanderer (Reply #20)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 06:19 AM

whathehell (11,414 posts)

21. Okay, That explains it.

No problem here.

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Response to whathehell (Reply #10)

Sun Dec 23, 2012, 02:24 AM

roguevalley (32,807 posts)

14. agreed, whathehell.

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Response to roguevalley (Reply #14)

Sun Dec 23, 2012, 09:28 AM

whathehell (11,414 posts)

16. Thank you, Roque.

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Response to cantbeserious (Reply #8)

Sun Dec 23, 2012, 07:01 AM

mmonk (47,286 posts)

15. Might I suggest Bart Ehrman instead.

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The mythicists are suspect and there is much more scholarship there was. Of course, the historical Jesus wasn't a deity. The church decided he was for their purposes around 400 years after his death.

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Response to xtraxritical (Reply #7)

Sat Dec 22, 2012, 12:32 PM

whathehell (11,414 posts)

9. Thank you. I agree.

They put it in the present tense, of course, as "is", but I get the gist.

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Response to xtraxritical (Reply #7)

Sat Dec 22, 2012, 01:08 PM

whathehell (11,414 posts)

11. Christian holidays tend to bring out the Big Sneer from many Atheists here. I'd attribute it

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to "religion" and its holidays generally, but as you may have noticed, the Jewish

holiday of Hanukkah recently passed without snickers, sneers, or "parodies"

No, Christianity is their only real target, in practice, if not philosophy,

and they refuse to distinguish between "right wing Christianity"

or the other types, even though the latter outnumber the former.

What's stands in almost humorous self-contradiction, is their attitude toward

OTHER religions, like Judaism, or Islam. Criticism of even the more extreme

elements or traditions of these, will tend to get you flamed for "bigotry" or "cultural intolerance".

Merry Christmas.

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