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Wed Dec 19, 2012, 08:28 PM

IS THERE ANY 'WALLACE' LEFT IN DEMOCRATIC PARTY?

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Reply IS THERE ANY 'WALLACE' LEFT IN DEMOCRATIC PARTY? (Original post)
geefloyd46 Dec 2012 OP
Cooley Hurd Dec 2012 #1
geefloyd46 Dec 2012 #3
graham4anything Dec 2012 #2
Cooley Hurd Dec 2012 #4
graham4anything Dec 2012 #8
Cooley Hurd Dec 2012 #9
graham4anything Dec 2012 #14
newfie11 Dec 2012 #23
graham4anything Dec 2012 #24
exboyfil Dec 2012 #27
MannyGoldstein Dec 2012 #7
graham4anything Dec 2012 #10
Cooley Hurd Dec 2012 #12
Cooley Hurd Dec 2012 #11
MannyGoldstein Dec 2012 #13
midnight Dec 2012 #16
geefloyd46 Dec 2012 #17
MannyGoldstein Dec 2012 #18
geefloyd46 Dec 2012 #19
MannyGoldstein Dec 2012 #20
geefloyd46 Dec 2012 #22
exboyfil Dec 2012 #28
patrice Dec 2012 #5
patrice Dec 2012 #6
midnight Dec 2012 #15
boomerbust Dec 2012 #21
littlemissmartypants Dec 2012 #25
MinM Dec 2012 #26

Response to geefloyd46 (Original post)

Wed Dec 19, 2012, 08:30 PM

1. They labeled him a "red" back then...

...I have little doubt such a man would be castigated by today's corporate media.

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Response to Cooley Hurd (Reply #1)

Wed Dec 19, 2012, 08:32 PM

3. No doubt about it...

Hell Romney still thinks that the Soviet Union still exists.

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Response to geefloyd46 (Original post)

Wed Dec 19, 2012, 08:32 PM

2. But he never became President. That is the important thing.

 

and one of the worst presidents ever did instead

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Response to graham4anything (Reply #2)

Wed Dec 19, 2012, 08:34 PM

4. You write this with a Johnson avatar?

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Response to Cooley Hurd (Reply #4)

Wed Dec 19, 2012, 08:43 PM

8. LBJ was the single most liberal president ever. Then FDR then Obama

 

Funny thing is, FDR was a 1 percenter, so was JFK and RFK

and Bobby wiretapped MLK

so its pathetic to debase President Obama for a point that is not true.

and to stereotype wrongly

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Response to graham4anything (Reply #8)

Wed Dec 19, 2012, 08:45 PM

9. Nothing Liberal about the escalation of the War in Southeast Asia.

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Response to Cooley Hurd (Reply #9)

Wed Dec 19, 2012, 08:56 PM

14. that is Eisnehower's doing. Civil Rights is much more important thing anyhow.LBJ was the best

 

Thomas Jefferson was a fraud and a fake and a liar
The gall of him writing "all are created equal" but only meaning the people that looked like him.
And he didn't include women or anyone else just a liar he was

LBJ had one thing President Obama doesn't have...and that is the strongarm of LBJ.
If only LBJ or Teddy were here today to strongarm the republicans
But they are not and wishing or whining won't make it happen

Therefore instead of whining and putting down LBJ and Obama and FDR and Jimmy Carter
and railing that Lincoln wasn't a democrat, one should appreciate how historic President Obama is, and look at the big prize at the end, instead of wanting instant gratification that whining brings.

btw-look up Ike in wiki and see what he did to the German's at the end of the war.
ooh ooh. Why do people like Ike just for one wrong reading of one sentence he once made?

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Response to graham4anything (Reply #14)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 06:56 AM

23. LBJ doesn't get the credit he deserves

all anyone thinks about is Vietnam when his name comes up. He did a lot for this country and it is very unfortunate that Vietnam was under his watch.


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Response to newfie11 (Reply #23)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 07:49 AM

24. Yup. He was one of the best. Perhaps the most liberal social issue president ever.

 

and the best at playing the game of politics.

He was also the best majority leader the senate ever had.

He knew how to get votes. And how to get what he wanted.

It's easy for the world (at least Democrats) to love the Kennedy's, but we shall never know what they actually would have and would not have done.
I am unsure whether either would have used their capital the way LBJ did.
Especially as JFK would have had a reelection campaign to deal with, and he would have known Bobby wanted to follow, so would he have expended what could have hurt Bobby?
The unknowns, vs. what we know LBJ actually did.
And it's doing that counts.

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Response to graham4anything (Reply #14)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 09:30 AM

27. Totally bypassing JFKs involvement

in the escalation?

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Response to graham4anything (Reply #2)

Wed Dec 19, 2012, 08:42 PM

7. You are a disgrace. Just a disgrace.

Harry Truman was a fine president.

Unlike the current occupant of the White House, he did not wage war against the 99%.

Wallace, and Frances Perkins (who you probably also seethe at) were extremely influential in starting the New Deal (something else that probably makes your head explode).

Why don't you run off to some nice Third Way Mecca and brush up on your three-card monte skills.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #7)

Wed Dec 19, 2012, 08:50 PM

10. but Henry Wallace,Allard Lowenstein and JVL & Ramón Antonio Gerardo Estévez weren't Presidents

 

btw- you should tell people who might not know that you aren't talking about George Wallace
in case they don't know but Henry Wallace, FDR's 3rd president.

Why the secret? Put his first name in your headline to avoid confusion

(just as when I had my board name originally in 2003, it had Bob, but somehow I forgot to put that in now and all of a sudden there is Lindsay Graham that is a bad Graham and people might get confused).


as the NYC lotto says "You gotta be in it to win it"

and again, debasing the current President when it is not even true, is amazing

You will never get another president as great in your lifetime.
That we had three in mine (LBJ and Obama and Jimmy Carter) is amazing.

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Response to graham4anything (Reply #10)

Wed Dec 19, 2012, 08:52 PM

12. The video still picture gives the "which Wallace" answer away.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #7)

Wed Dec 19, 2012, 08:51 PM

11. Perkins was, IMO, the most importat person in the 20th Century Labor Movement...

From her early social work in NYC, to her steering of Labor policy n the 1930's, the Movement flourished due to her perseverence.

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Response to Cooley Hurd (Reply #11)

Wed Dec 19, 2012, 08:56 PM

13. The Third Way probably uses her picture for target practice

She was awesome.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #13)

Wed Dec 19, 2012, 09:08 PM

16. I feel so embarrassed, and had to research who she was... I'll post for others to see too...

First female to be appointed to the U.S Cabinet...

With The Social Security Act she established unemployment benefits, pensions for the many uncovered elderly Americans, and welfare for the poorest Americans. She pushed to reduce workplace accidents and helped craft laws against child labor. Through the Fair Labor Standards Act, she established the first minimum wage and overtime laws for American workers, and defined the standard forty-hour work week. She formed governmental policy for working with labor unions and helped to alleviate strikes by way of the United States Conciliation Service, Perkins resisted having American women be drafted to serve the military in World War II so that they could enter the civilian workforce in greatly expanded numbers.

There is more at the site... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frances_Perkins


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Response to midnight (Reply #16)

Wed Dec 19, 2012, 09:17 PM

17. Much of Perkins ideas was formed by the triangle shirt fire...

Very influential. I think that Johnson did a lot of good things, and unfortunately gets a much worse rap because of his mishandling of Vietnam, badly mishandling. But the person who ranked him above Roosevelt is loosing me...

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #18)

Wed Dec 19, 2012, 09:29 PM

19. Thanks for your suggestion...

I am a fan. It is a book I'd love to read and I'm adding to my blogs reading list.

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Response to geefloyd46 (Reply #19)

Wed Dec 19, 2012, 10:00 PM

20. Do I recall correctly that you're a Bostonian? nt

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #20)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 05:26 AM

22. I absolutely am...

I wish more people had more context of the time the new deal existed in and that way they wouldn't be in such a hurry to returning the country to it.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #7)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 09:41 AM

28. You are right about Truman

I would take Truman over every president which followed him assuming that his ideas evolved more on Civil Rights (he was a man of his times). You would expect to never regress in the expansion of rights. Things possible today were not possible in 1864 or 1904 or 1948, but all three Presidents did what they could. Contrast with Wilson, "They have a coon in the White House". So concerned about international affairs, so unconcerned about the people in his own country.

Truman did wonderful work during World War II to ensure that we were spending money properly (it was not perfect but he tried). To have a dozen Trumans today going over defense spending.

I talk Wallace would have been a fine President as well, but the country would not have been ready for him then (I should think so since I live in Iowa). I don't think he would have been nearly as effective as Truman (and Roosevelt might have lost the 1944 election if he had Wallace on the ticket - the Red drumbeat was already going strong and he would have lost significant party support - those in the know knew he was not long for this world, and we were selecting the next President with the VP pick). The choice was more between Byrnes and Truman.

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Response to geefloyd46 (Original post)

Wed Dec 19, 2012, 08:39 PM

5. K&R!!!!!!!

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Response to geefloyd46 (Original post)

Wed Dec 19, 2012, 08:42 PM

6. We need more and more people to understand how our country diverged from Truman on.

That's a particularly significant point in regards to the South, whom I understand Henry Wallace was in favor of making some very proactive approach to economic and race issues in the South.

IMAGINE!!! if we had done that!

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Response to geefloyd46 (Original post)

Wed Dec 19, 2012, 09:01 PM

15. Imagine that.. Get rid of corporate money. And other Wallace like minded people could come

to this party...

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Response to geefloyd46 (Original post)

Wed Dec 19, 2012, 10:06 PM

21. George Wallace

Was a Democrat

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Response to geefloyd46 (Original post)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 08:25 AM

25. I don't want to appear off topic or making a shameless plug for my post but have you seen...

THE SHOCK DOCTRINE or read the book? I have seen the Documentary and keep watching it to maintain calm and perspective. It gives a valuable view of politics in our world. Please take a look if you have time.

My post: http://www.democraticunderground.com/101787515

Here is a short version (the trailer) if you don't have time to watch the whole thing now. IMHO it could not be more relevant. Peace. LMSP




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Response to geefloyd46 (Original post)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 09:12 AM

26. Clare Boothe Luce...


...In April 1939 Whittaker Chambers joined Time Magazine as a book and film reviewer. According to Jonathan P. Herzog, the author of The Spiritual-Industrial Complex: America's Religious Battle Against Communism in the Early Cold War (2011): "Chambers slowly climbed through the ranks of Time, Inc. and had entered the inner circle of advisers that Luce depended on for business and editorial decisions. In 1944 Luce made Chambers the head of Time's Foreign News. Predictably, Chambers moulded Time into an anti-Communist mouth-piece."

Warren Hinckle has argued: "Henry Luce believed that a morally slanted press was a responsible press... Life, the flagship picture book of the Luce fleet, afforded photojournalism some of its finest moments, while the text accompanying the pictures that were worth thousands of words was slanted with an ideological warp sufficient to stir Caxton in his grave." The cartoonist, Herbert Block, was equally critical: "Luce's unique contribution to American journalism... is that he placed into the hands of the people yesterday's newspaper and today's garbage homogenized into one neat package."

Luce was a supporter of the Republican Party. His wife, Clare Booth Luce, who shared his right-wing views, was elected to Congress in 1942 and represented Connecticut for the next four years. In her maiden speech she launched a savage attack on the internationalism of Vice President Henry A. Wallace and as a result received a warm response from the isolationists. In February, 1945, he began a campaign for a permanent Un-American Activities Committee (HUAC)...

http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=18364

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=1924673

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