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Wed Dec 19, 2012, 12:15 PM

Pic Of The Moment: NRA To Announce "Meaningful Contributions"



NRA says it is 'prepared to offer meaningful contributions to help make sure this never happens again'

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Reply Pic Of The Moment: NRA To Announce "Meaningful Contributions" (Original post)
EarlG Dec 2012 OP
boston bean Dec 2012 #1
TrollBuster9090 Dec 2012 #18
fightthegoodfightnow Dec 2012 #31
LynneSin Dec 2012 #2
Amimnoch Dec 2012 #29
HangOnKids Dec 2012 #32
Amimnoch Dec 2012 #33
progressoid Dec 2012 #3
Ganja Ninja Dec 2012 #4
Chorophyll Dec 2012 #5
Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2012 #6
TrollBuster9090 Dec 2012 #17
Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2012 #22
valerief Dec 2012 #7
MADem Dec 2012 #8
Grins Dec 2012 #9
TrollBuster9090 Dec 2012 #19
ellisonz Dec 2012 #10
patrice Dec 2012 #13
TrollBuster9090 Dec 2012 #20
calimary Dec 2012 #11
patrice Dec 2012 #12
countryjake Dec 2012 #14
Flabbergasted Dec 2012 #15
TrollBuster9090 Dec 2012 #16
Motown_Johnny Dec 2012 #21
BainsBane Dec 2012 #23
RyanThomas Dec 2012 #25
BainsBane Dec 2012 #26
Beartracks Dec 2012 #24
Deep13 Dec 2012 #27
Historic NY Dec 2012 #28
Galraedia Dec 2012 #30

Response to EarlG (Original post)

Wed Dec 19, 2012, 12:25 PM

1. If you guys feel this way, why are you allowing NRA talking points here...

I assume by creating and posting this pic, you find their activism for more guns reprehensible.

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Response to boston bean (Reply #1)

Wed Dec 19, 2012, 05:33 PM

18. Because the best way to stop them is to MOCK what they're about to say before they say it.

As I mentioned below, we have only four tools available to us:

1. Mock their talking points, and make them look ridiculous, before they even have a chance to utter them.
2. Take back control of the language by calling for "gun safety laws" rather than "gun control laws" or "gun regulations."
3. Expose the tricks that they are about to attempt. The biggest one being to call for a VOLUNTARY ban on these weapons by the gun industry. By avoiding legislation, the gun makers will be able to lift their voluntary ban a year from now when everybody has forgotten about this.
4. WARN any Democratic politicians who would EMBRACE the trick (point 3) knowing full well that it's a trick. I can envision more than a few Blue Dog Democrats supporting a voluntary moratorium on the manufacture of assault weapons by the gun lobby, knowing full well that they're just going to lift it later, and resume selling these damned things.

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Response to boston bean (Reply #1)

Wed Dec 19, 2012, 11:14 PM

31. I'm sure that is what you believe is happening here

LOL

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Response to EarlG (Original post)

Wed Dec 19, 2012, 12:30 PM

2. I chatted with an avid gun supporter and their response to the shooting

If only the principal was packing.

My thoughts - yeah that would be good, we'd end up with some wild west shootout.

I know that most gun owners have some understanding of how to use their guns. But when the adrenaline is rushing and you're making a last minute 'what do I do' response - the desired outcome might not actually happen.

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Response to LynneSin (Reply #2)

Wed Dec 19, 2012, 10:19 PM

29. Everywhere that I've seen that particular stupid assed argument, my reply

has been:

So, instead of the principle packing as well, how about just taking those weapons out of the equation all together? Why is the answer to arm others? Which is really better? Have both persons armed, or have both persons disarmed? Furthermore, what is your answer going to be when one principal, now "armed" as per your desire accidentally leaves their arm where a student gets a hold of it and kills class mates? In 2009-2010 there were 98,817 registered public schools (not even counting the private). That's relying on 98,817 persons to be your idyllic responsible gun owner. What will your answer be when an angry parent attacks a principal, takes the gun and uses it on the principal or others? Will you THEN be willing to ban these machines that are only good for killing?

I've reached my breaking point of accepting 250 year old constitutional doctrine on this issue. We're not talking muskets on a homestead anymore. If you want your 2nd amendment, as written, and as intended, then move out of my city, or any city in civilization. Carve yourself out a chunk of homestead.. and then you can have your cherished fucking musket."

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Response to Amimnoch (Reply #29)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 01:31 AM

32. Fuck Yes!

And hello, I have not met you before, my name is Gracie. You make all the sense in the world.

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Response to HangOnKids (Reply #32)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 11:19 AM

33. Hello, and thank you :)

I've been on DU for years, only occaisonally post. Most of the time I come here to gather information for "ammo" to use against conservatives on political battleground chatboards (ones that are politically themed, but aren't primarily Democrat or Republican).

When I do post, it's usually when some element of a thread really strikes me.

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Response to EarlG (Original post)

Wed Dec 19, 2012, 12:32 PM

3. Ugh. He always reminds me of a creepy televangelist.

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Response to EarlG (Original post)

Wed Dec 19, 2012, 12:41 PM

4. "We've spent the last few day soul searching - came up empty."

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Response to EarlG (Original post)

Wed Dec 19, 2012, 12:49 PM

5. They will run roughshod over us and start framing the conversation again if

we don't stop them.

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Response to EarlG (Original post)

Wed Dec 19, 2012, 12:59 PM

6. Are they going to contribute to ban and regulate guns? Nothing else is "meaningful" coming from the

people that promoted the gun problem here.

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Response to Sarah Ibarruri (Reply #6)

Wed Dec 19, 2012, 05:27 PM

17. No, I'm pretty sure they're going to suggest a "voluntary ban" by the gun manufacturers,

thus avoiding legislation, and allowing the manufacturers to then LIFT their own self-imposed ban a year or so from now when everybody has forgotten about this.

Our job will be to A) EXPOSE that trick before they even get a chance to TRY IT, and B) SMACK DOWN any Democratic politicians who EMBRACE the idea (knowing damned well that it's just a trick).

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Response to TrollBuster9090 (Reply #17)

Wed Dec 19, 2012, 05:57 PM

22. You're right. They're scum and will remain scum. nt

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Response to EarlG (Original post)

Wed Dec 19, 2012, 01:06 PM

7. I know. They're changing their name to the National Cake Raffle Association. Their mission will be

to hold cake raffles throughout the nation. Because no matter how many times you propel a cake at someone, the cake simply won't kill them.

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Response to EarlG (Original post)

Wed Dec 19, 2012, 02:14 PM

8. Body armor for all kids K-12? Assault weapons for teachers?

for the irony impaired....

I read an article that said 74 percent of their membership thought the NRA had their head up their ass WRT assault weapons...maybe they're buying a clue?

I won't hold my breath, but one never knows.

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Response to EarlG (Original post)

Wed Dec 19, 2012, 02:18 PM

9. Sweet Jesus on a stick! He looks like Major Toht's brother!!!!

'Ya think..?

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Response to Grins (Reply #9)

Wed Dec 19, 2012, 05:40 PM

19. Of course, one of the stereotypes we have to fight against is that the average gun 'patriot'

the average gun 'patriot' actually looks like THIS:




And not like THIS:





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Response to EarlG (Original post)

Wed Dec 19, 2012, 02:27 PM

10. MORE GUNS FOR EVERYBODY!

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Response to ellisonz (Reply #10)

Wed Dec 19, 2012, 03:20 PM

13. Yay! & Stop with the Soc Sec numbers! Just issue every person a gun at birth!! Problem solved! nt

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Response to ellisonz (Reply #10)

Wed Dec 19, 2012, 05:41 PM

20. It's not exactly a NEW idea, is it?


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Response to EarlG (Original post)

Wed Dec 19, 2012, 02:34 PM

11. "Meaningful contributions." Yeah, probably figures they didn't spend enough in the

last campaign. More meaningful contributions to their pet congresscritters, senators, governors, and state legislators.

"To make sure this never happens again." Yep - we can't have this tide in public opinion suddenly turning against us!" Gotta nip THAT one in the bud, 'eh?

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Response to EarlG (Original post)

Wed Dec 19, 2012, 03:15 PM

12. What's the opposite of K&R, oh, I got it . . . FUCK!!! 'em for strangling *O*U*R* FREEDOM!!

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Response to EarlG (Original post)

Wed Dec 19, 2012, 04:08 PM

14. And CCW training must begin in kindergarten!

Nice, Earl, and thank you!

K&R!

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Response to EarlG (Original post)

Wed Dec 19, 2012, 04:22 PM

15. I'm half expecting that to be their response, just can't see them giving much ground

no matter what they say.

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Response to EarlG (Original post)

Wed Dec 19, 2012, 05:24 PM

16. I'm pretty sure that's not what they're going to say. This is what they're going to say:

As I mentioned in my post over here (http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022032207) they know that they're on the ropes, and we've already MOCKED that potential 'solution' here and just about everywhere else.

The NRA has known all along that there will eventually be one massacre too many, and the "the solution is MORE GUNS" bullshit will have gotten so stale that they can't use it anymore.


The next phase of their plan will be to call on the gun manufacturers to impose a VOLUNTARY ban on the production of these weapons. That way they can lift their own self imposed ban a year from now when everybody has forgotten about this.

WE HAVE TO EXPOSE THAT TRICK, BEFORE IT EVER GETS OFF THE GROUND, by TALKING ABOUT IT. So that when they actually try to make it fly, it will already have been exposed as a trick.

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Response to EarlG (Original post)

Wed Dec 19, 2012, 05:44 PM

21. More Guns, Fewer Unions and Lower Taxes will solve this problem.

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Response to EarlG (Original post)

Wed Dec 19, 2012, 07:58 PM

23. whatcha bet it involves scapegoating the mentally ill

rather than dealing with guns?

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Response to BainsBane (Reply #23)

Wed Dec 19, 2012, 09:13 PM

25. A good number of conservatives already have done that

Various conservative people I have seen have settled on blaming the ACLU for defending the rights of citizens against a state bill that would enable the government of the area to, in the words of the news service where I saw it:

Had the AOT bill been passed, it would have given the state the right to institutionalize a person who is mentally ill for treatment if the state has enough evidence to believe that the person could be a danger to himself or the community.

It's ironic how their "Small government principles" fly out the window when a chance to blame civil liberties organizations exists, or to conduct damage control on their gun position.

http://connecticut.cbslocal.com/2012/12/17/connecticut-mental-health-bill-defeated-months-before-deadly-school-shooting/

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Response to RyanThomas (Reply #25)

Wed Dec 19, 2012, 09:31 PM

26. That is already the situation in most states

That someone can be put in a psych ward if determined they are a threat to themselves or others. It is generally for short periods of time, from three to seven days. The laws vary someone by state. Generally the issue is suicide, not harm to others. If someone does hurt another person, they wind up in the criminal justice system.

Naturally the right will scapegoat, just like gun proponents on DU do. It's a distraction to keep people from doing anything about the real cause--gun proliferation.

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Response to EarlG (Original post)

Wed Dec 19, 2012, 08:04 PM

24. We need more God and more guns in schools!

Because increasing religion and firepower in a confined space has always produced positive results, just like in the Middle East!


( <-- for the sarcasm-impaired)

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Response to EarlG (Original post)

Wed Dec 19, 2012, 09:33 PM

27. Wayne Lapierre, America's chief terrorist. nt

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Response to EarlG (Original post)

Wed Dec 19, 2012, 09:34 PM

28. I know more guns...that will make it safer....thats the NRA.

I am a gun owner the NRA never spoke for me.

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Response to EarlG (Original post)

Wed Dec 19, 2012, 10:20 PM

30. Right-wingers always pretend gun control means confiscating all guns...



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