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Sun Dec 16, 2012, 09:19 PM

Semi-auto AR-15 bumpfires 100 rounds in 6 seconds. How is this not an "assault weapon"?

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Reply Semi-auto AR-15 bumpfires 100 rounds in 6 seconds. How is this not an "assault weapon"? (Original post)
Electric Monk Dec 2012 OP
NYC_SKP Dec 2012 #1
onehandle Dec 2012 #2
UndahCovah Dec 2012 #10
AtheistCrusader Dec 2012 #19
thucythucy Dec 2012 #20
AtheistCrusader Dec 2012 #21
Bjorn Against Dec 2012 #26
AtheistCrusader Dec 2012 #28
SunSeeker Dec 2012 #3
AnotherMother4Peace Dec 2012 #16
valerief Dec 2012 #4
UndahCovah Dec 2012 #13
doublethink Dec 2012 #5
moobu2 Dec 2012 #11
doc03 Dec 2012 #6
brewens Dec 2012 #8
AtheistCrusader Dec 2012 #22
deathrind Dec 2012 #7
UndahCovah Dec 2012 #12
daybranch Dec 2012 #15
UndahCovah Dec 2012 #18
AtheistCrusader Dec 2012 #23
TheCowsCameHome Dec 2012 #9
glinda Dec 2012 #14
Skittles Dec 2012 #25
jerseyjack Dec 2012 #17
ComplimentarySwine Dec 2012 #24
leveymg Dec 2012 #27
ComplimentarySwine Dec 2012 #29
jberryhill Dec 2012 #30
ComplimentarySwine Dec 2012 #31
Rhiannon12866 Dec 2012 #32

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Response to Electric Monk (Original post)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 09:26 PM

2. Gungeoneers will be here shortly to school you. nt

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Response to onehandle (Reply #2)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 09:38 PM

10. These are legal because

 

It is not select-fire, it is recoil operated. A small hook runs from a sliding rail on the stock to the trigger, which pulls the trigger once for each round-fired of recoil.

Hence, "bump-fire," because the trigger is being bumped to fire each round. Pretty awesome from an engineering/design standpoint, but it will wear out your gun like its nobodies business.

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Response to UndahCovah (Reply #10)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 10:39 PM

19. And you won't hit a goddamn thing while you are doing it.

First shot will be on-target, and everything else is going to sail high and wide by miles. These things are stupid, beyond simulating the FEEL of firing fully automatic, sorta.

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Response to AtheistCrusader (Reply #19)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 10:58 PM

20. "...everything else is going to sail high and wide by miles..."

If only that had been the case on Friday, but it seems Lanza had no problem doing all the damage he wanted.

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Response to thucythucy (Reply #20)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 11:03 PM

21. Lanza wasn't bump firing.

He would have run out of ammo a lot of kids sooner, if he had.

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Response to AtheistCrusader (Reply #19)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 12:19 AM

26. Which is even more reason why it should be illegal

If you can not even safely aim it then the risk of shooting bystanders becomes even greater, of course I am sure some of the people who would want a weapon like that would probably want to hit bystanders.

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Response to Bjorn Against (Reply #26)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 12:43 AM

28. Good point.

Requires no legislative action to achieve. The BATFE has only to say 'banned', and it is banned.

(They banned, as a 'machine gun' the use of a shoestring to achieve the identical effect)

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Response to Electric Monk (Original post)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 09:31 PM

3. It's not an assault weapon, it's a death weapon. You can survive an assault.

This thing will saw you in half, and there will still be bullets left in the clip. Aim is not all that important. Nope, this ain't for hunting rabbits. It's for mowing down people. Lots of people.

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Response to SunSeeker (Reply #3)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 09:56 PM

16. Definitely a Human Killer, ONE person can survive an assault, Many people are meant to die w/this

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Response to Electric Monk (Original post)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 09:33 PM

4. Geez, with those 2 round thingies on it (are they magazines?) it even LOOKS like

a you-know-what. (Not allowed to say the word, because it TERRIFIES people.)

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Response to valerief (Reply #4)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 09:41 PM

13. Drum mags nt

 

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Response to Electric Monk (Original post)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 09:33 PM

5. I wouldn't even call that thing an assault weapon, but a weapon of mass destruction.

Maybe we need to redefine what a 'gun' is to begin with and get these other things off the streets.

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Response to doublethink (Reply #5)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 09:38 PM

11. Yes, might as well have a Missile launcher or

grenade or some other military weapon. It's crazy.

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Response to Electric Monk (Original post)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 09:34 PM

6. He said 150 rounds unless it wasn't fully loaded. What kind of a moron shoots

into water?

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Response to doc03 (Reply #6)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 09:36 PM

8. Maybe he was fishing? n/t

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Response to doc03 (Reply #6)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 11:08 PM

22. Good point.

What he did was illegal in my state. Rounds have a tendency to skip off water like that and go who knows where.

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Response to Electric Monk (Original post)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 09:35 PM

7. That...

Type of weapon with that power and capacity has no place in the hands of anyone outside of military or law enforcement personnel. There is no reasoned argument to be made otherwise.

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Response to deathrind (Reply #7)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 09:40 PM

12. The police and military use true automatic weapons

 

aka select-fire. They wouldn't use one of these.

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Response to UndahCovah (Reply #12)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 09:55 PM

15. really

do you think an ex-cop ciuld resist having this baby at home? How many ex military or ex cops would have them? how many suffer from PTSD? These need to be removed from market .

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Response to daybranch (Reply #15)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 10:00 PM

18. See comment #10 regarding the weapon in he vid

 

I don't doubt that many ex-cops and ex-military people own or would like to own a weapon like this. What I'm saying is, neither the police nor the military have to rely on the "bump-fire" system, because truly automatic, select-fire weapons are available to them.

This system is perfectly legal, because it is semi-auto. One trigger pull, one bullet. The speed of those individual trigger pulls is immaterial as far as the law is concerned.

A military/police weapon is, as I said, select fire. You hold down the trigger and the weapon fires continuously due to the auto-sear. No need for repeated trigger pulls like with the bump-fire system.

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Response to daybranch (Reply #15)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 11:09 PM

23. The GUN is nice. The bump-fire setup is crap.

For one, that barrel isn't meant to put a whole lot of rounds through it like that, heat dissipation wise. He's going to warp and wear out that barrel in no time.

For two, look at how he held it. You can't hit anything doing that.

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Response to Electric Monk (Original post)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 09:37 PM

9. It's Gungeon designation is "Orgasmatic 100-in-6" model

n/t

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Response to Electric Monk (Original post)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 09:46 PM

14. Maybe because it is packaged neatly into being owned by "gun enthusiasts".

Boy am I sick of that terminology.

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Response to glinda (Reply #14)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 12:11 AM

25. "avid gun owner"

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Response to Electric Monk (Original post)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 10:00 PM

17. 2:37 -- he's about to jitz in his pants.

 

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Response to Electric Monk (Original post)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 11:34 PM

24. According to the video description, that's an SBR

 

Those are tightly regulated by the NFA. In order to legally buy one, you have to get a chief law enforcement agent in your local area to sign off on a form 4, and then send that along with 2 passport photos, 2 sets of fingerprints on FBI fingerprint cards, and a $200 money order to the BATFE. Additionally, you send another form into the Department of the Treasury.

Once the BATFE gets the form, they assign an agent to have a nationwide FBI background check performed. Assuming that everything was filled out correctly and the background check was passed, they send the form back to you with a stamp indicating that you are approved to buy the weapon (said to be a 90 - 120 day wait for this to be completed).

If you have a trust or company that functions as a separate entity, you can have the trust or company own the weapon and that gets you out of having to get approval from a local law enforcement officer, the fingerprints, passport photo, etc., but I believe that you still need to be dealing with a class 3 dealer and would therefore need to fill out the 4473 and have a NICS check done to pickup the weapon.

Now, if you would have shown a video of a standard AR-15 bump firing, of which I believe you can find many on www.youtube.com, that might be a different matter, but I believe that were should be discussing this with an eye towards the facts.

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Response to ComplimentarySwine (Reply #24)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 12:23 AM

27. Sure, but that background check does nothing to stop someone else from using the fucking thing.

Right? So, clearly, something more has to be done to keep such potentially destructive devices out of the hands of those who would do great harm with them.

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Response to leveymg (Reply #27)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 01:01 AM

29. Do you have a solution that will be more effective that the marijuana ban? n/t

 

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Response to ComplimentarySwine (Reply #29)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 01:07 AM

30. I had no idea that guns grow anywhere the seeds are planted

There is a difference between trying to regulate a vegetable and trying to regulate a manufactured object.

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Response to jberryhill (Reply #30)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 01:09 AM

31. I imagine that I could manufacture a gun

 

a lot quicker and easier than growing pot.

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