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Sun Dec 16, 2012, 09:12 PM

This is a very short 45 second clip demonstration of what the Bushmaster can do.

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I don't think the 2nd amendment right to bear arms meant the right to own these human killing machines.


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Reply This is a very short 45 second clip demonstration of what the Bushmaster can do. (Original post)
moobu2 Dec 2012 OP
MannyGoldstein Dec 2012 #1
MissNostalgia Dec 2012 #2
rsmith6621 Dec 2012 #3
onehandle Dec 2012 #4
NoMoreWarNow Dec 2012 #5
SunSeeker Dec 2012 #6
jerseyjack Dec 2012 #11
ComplimentarySwine Dec 2012 #17
SunSeeker Dec 2012 #20
ComplimentarySwine Dec 2012 #21
SunSeeker Dec 2012 #25
AtheistCrusader Dec 2012 #26
ComplimentarySwine Dec 2012 #29
turbo_satan Dec 2012 #33
geomon666 Dec 2012 #28
FourScore Dec 2012 #30
thucythucy Dec 2012 #7
UndahCovah Dec 2012 #9
ComplimentarySwine Dec 2012 #23
glinda Dec 2012 #8
doublethink Dec 2012 #10
glowing Dec 2012 #12
Oldenuff Dec 2012 #13
zeemike Dec 2012 #14
ComplimentarySwine Dec 2012 #18
jtuck004 Dec 2012 #31
BlueStreak Dec 2012 #15
ComplimentarySwine Dec 2012 #16
moobu2 Dec 2012 #19
ComplimentarySwine Dec 2012 #24
SunSeeker Dec 2012 #22
AtheistCrusader Dec 2012 #27
Rhiannon12866 Dec 2012 #32

Response to moobu2 (Original post)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 09:15 PM

1. Holy cow.

That's not right. That should not be legal.

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Response to moobu2 (Original post)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 09:17 PM

2. Indeed

Human Killer.

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Response to moobu2 (Original post)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 09:17 PM

3. They all have that GUN ZOMBIE LOOK




...... sick.... I keep saying the 2nd Amd is over 200 years old. The writers of the Constitution did not have any idea these kind of guns would be produced... the 2nd Amd need revising to be relevant to today.

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Response to moobu2 (Original post)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 09:19 PM

4. Makes them feel like big men. nt

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Response to moobu2 (Original post)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 09:23 PM

5. That is SICK

 

What on earth should ordinary citizens have that kind of power for?

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Response to moobu2 (Original post)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 09:39 PM

6. Just one of those AR-15 bullets can vaporize a 6-year-old. SICK.

And thank you for correctly describing them as human killing machines. They are not hunting rifles. Calling it a "Bushmaster" is offensive. They are not meant to go into the "bush" with. They would vaporize a rabbit and saw a deer in half. It is insane to have these weapons available to the general public.

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Response to SunSeeker (Reply #6)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 09:56 PM

11. Bushmaster is also a species of snake.

 

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Response to SunSeeker (Reply #6)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 11:50 PM

17. Saw a deer in half? Really?

 

The rounds that these things fire are typically so small that some places such as Colorado, Iowa, and Kansas wont let you hunt a deer with them because they are afraid that the deer will just be wounded instead being killed "cleanly".

And Bushmaster firearms have a snake on the side of them, so I think that they're referring to the snake and not the actual "bush" as in hunting.

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Response to ComplimentarySwine (Reply #17)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 01:01 AM

20. The hollow points used in CT were not "small rounds." Just one AR-15 bullet will kill a deer.

Don't believe me? Do a Youtube search for "AR-15 hitting deer."

If you kept firing, the bullets would either turn the animal into hamburger or cut it in half, like it did that drum of water in the video.

And yes, I get it, Bushmaster is a snake. But the name implies hunting. This is not a hunter's weapon, as much as the NRA has tried to portray it as such.

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Response to SunSeeker (Reply #20)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 01:05 AM

21. The AR-15 typically fires a .22 caliber bullet. If that's not small, what is?

 

I imagine if you fired any sort of gun enough times you may be able to eventually cut a deer in half. And while 1 bullet may kill a deer if you hit it in the head or heart or other vital organ, it certainly doesn't seem like the most effective choice for game of that size.

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Response to ComplimentarySwine (Reply #21)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 01:17 AM

25. People don't buy AR-15's to shoot little .22 bullets.

They put huge hollow points in them like the CT nut did. Please take your misleading attempt to downplay the murderous power of this mass-killing weapon to a forum that appreciates that sort of thing.

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Response to SunSeeker (Reply #25)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 01:25 AM

26. You have zero clue what you are talking about.

Not one shred of a clue at all.

A .223 hollowpoint is actually lighter and smaller than FMJ Ball. If you put a 'bigger bullet' in it, they won't fit through the barrel. Which has exciting consequences for the person pulling the trigger.

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Response to SunSeeker (Reply #25)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 01:29 AM

29. What are you even talking about?

 

The barrel is a fixed diameter. You can not put HUGE bullets down a barrel designed for a .22 caliber bullet. The AR-15 is designed to shoot the 5.56 NATO round, the same one that the M-16 and SAW use, which is roughly similar to a .223 Remington. The AR-10 is designed to shoot a 7.62 NATO round, roughly equivalent to the .308 Winchester. Like most guns, they can be rebarreled or ordered from specialty manufacturers in off-beat calibers, however, the vast, vast majority of AR-15s that I have seen have been designed for the .22 caliber 5.56 NATO or .223 Remington.

Hollow points do not make the bullet bigger, they simply help it to expand when hitting a soft target. At the ranges that take place in an indoor environment such as this school, even an FMJ round will typically yaw upon hitting a person and then fragment into several small pieces due to the velocity of the round. There's no question that that can do A LOT of damage to a person, but it is certainly not because the gun fires a large round.

Here's a link:


Please note that the 5.56 NATO bullet is roughly the same diameter as the .22 LR bullet on the right.

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Response to ComplimentarySwine (Reply #29)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 12:39 PM

33. Just in case anyone is tempted to equate .22LR and 5.56 NATO

Not that ComplimentarySwine was trying to make the case that .22LR and 5.56 NATO rounds are equivalent, but people who aren't shooters might conclude that because these rounds fit through the same barrel, a 5.56 is therefore no more dangerous than a lil' ol' 22. The key here is that the 5.56 can be twice as heavy as .22LR and can travel twice as fast. With kinetic energy proportional to mass and velocity squared, that gives the 5.56 round as much as eight times the energy (close to 2000 Joules) that the .22 packs (perhaps 250 Joules).

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Response to SunSeeker (Reply #6)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 01:29 AM

28. Some of those kids were shot up to 11 times

with this fucking thing.

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Response to geomon666 (Reply #28)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 01:36 AM

30. At close range.

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Response to moobu2 (Original post)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 09:43 PM

7. Tell me again why we need these things in circulation

among the general public? What possible use does it serve society to have grown men playing with this kind of weapon as if it was just another toy, all the while running the risk it might fall into the wrong hands?

And this guy seems just so proud to show off his wonderful toy. How creepy is that?

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Response to thucythucy (Reply #7)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 09:50 PM

9. This guy, is Hickok45 nt

 

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Response to thucythucy (Reply #7)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 01:06 AM

23. Does everything that we do

 

for entertainment purposes have to serve society? Lots of toys are dangerous. Just look at how many accidental drownings surround recreation use of lakes and reservoirs.

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Response to moobu2 (Original post)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 09:48 PM

8. sick

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Response to moobu2 (Original post)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 09:51 PM

10. I wouldn't even call that thing a gun or an assault weapon, BUT A WEAPON OF MASS DESTRUCTION.

Maybe we need to redefine just what a 'gun' is to begin with and get these other things off the streets. Yes same answer somewhat to another video in here I just witnessed but it fits. Peace.

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Response to moobu2 (Original post)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 10:01 PM

12. Think about 11 of those bullets being shot into

one of those babies 11 times; and tell me what would the parents have left to bury of their child?

These should not be allowed for public consumption... These are the types of weapons trained Seals use. And they are on missions going into armed compounds.

I can tell u my brother in law in the army doesn't have these types of weapons anywhere near his home or near his children!

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Response to moobu2 (Original post)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 11:04 PM

13. Oh come on now......Who wouldn't want one of these?I mean Really?

Secretly you want one....I know I do.

I'm not a gun nut,but if push comes to shove,I want THIS gun instead of that BB gun that is left over after we have banned guns all together,or even just banned assault weapons .

When the zombies (or UN forces) attack,I want a gun that will spray a wide swath of fire power.

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Response to Oldenuff (Reply #13)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 11:23 PM

14. Oh hell no...I want a rocket propelled grenade

And a flame thrower for backup...but I understand there is something new on the market called Metal Storm...that shoots hundreds of bullets in a second or two...you can take out a whole crowd of UN forces if they attack you....and lets face it, the ultimate is a tactical nuke...and we are working on that as a consumer product.
We are driving a fast car down the road to insanity.

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Response to zeemike (Reply #14)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 11:54 PM

18. I don't think that the Metalstorm is on the civilian market

 

However, it is my understanding that flamethrowers are currently legal under Federal law. From the looks of it, you can even buy them over the internet from the comfort of your own chair.

Of course, state laws may vary.

I agree with you that a tactical nuke and an RPG could be fun at the range, although I imagine that you would need a pretty big range to safely touch off even a tactical nuke.

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Response to zeemike (Reply #14)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 02:17 AM

31. The ultimate is a bank. They have killed far more people sooner than their time. n/t



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Response to moobu2 (Original post)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 11:29 PM

15. That is a machine gun. I don't care what kind of BS word games the gun people want to play

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Response to moobu2 (Original post)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 11:43 PM

16. I'm pretty sure that human-killing machines is EXACTLY what the 2nd was intended to protect

 

Why would they have written an amendment to the constitution in order to protect hunting? And what does gun hunting vs bow hunting have to with the security of a free state as is mentioned in the 2nd amendment?

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Response to ComplimentarySwine (Reply #16)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 12:08 AM

19. Using that logic any and all military weaponry should be legal.

Surface to air missiles anyone? Anti tank artillery? etc..

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Response to moobu2 (Reply #19)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 01:08 AM

24. Probably should look into the difference between "arms" and "ordnance"

 

as used in the timeframe in which the constitution was drafted.

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Response to ComplimentarySwine (Reply #16)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 01:05 AM

22. The purpose of the 2nd amendment was to create citizen militia's to replace a standing army.

But we now have a standing army. The 2nd Amendment is an anachronism that was seized upon by the gun industry and gun nuts who have not matured past the age of 13.

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Response to moobu2 (Original post)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 01:28 AM

27. Am I the only one that says 'bullshit, that's an AR-10'?

Look at the cartridges in his mag when he pulls it out and looks at it. Put it full screen and on high quality. That looks an awful lot like .308 to me, not .223.

Maybe he has tiny hands or something, but just eyeballing it, I don't think so. That's a 30 caliber.


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