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Wed Dec 5, 2012, 07:35 AM

Video Has FoxNews in a Panic!!

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This video, which illustrates just how effectively the 1% dropped this country to its knees has obviously struck a raw nerve with the folks at FoxNews. They are attempting to do some pre-emptive strikes because they know it will be watched and understood by the typical FoxNews viewer. Hannity was about to jump out of his skin over it, pulling segments of it to attack. But he is only going to bring more attention to it and more FoxNews viewers are going to watch it and understand just exactly how the 1% took control of the country's wealth.... including how buying up media outlets and news organizations in order to spread the message of the obscenely-wealthy has contributed to it all. (cough... FoxNews.. cough)

No wonder they are afraid.
FoxNews viewers will actually understand it.
It's a cartoon, afterall.


Frankly, it makes a point and it sure is a powerful one.

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Reply Video Has FoxNews in a Panic!! (Original post)
tomm2thumbs Dec 2012 OP
SDjack Dec 2012 #1
tomm2thumbs Dec 2012 #3
duhneece Dec 2012 #11
think Dec 2012 #32
Jack Rabbit Dec 2012 #70
think Dec 2012 #72
AgingAmerican Dec 2012 #76
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Response to tomm2thumbs (Original post)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 07:51 AM

1. On YouTube, at this moment, the Dislikes are winning. Let's flip it on

YouTube to Likes winning.

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Response to SDjack (Reply #1)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 07:57 AM

3. done!

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Response to SDjack (Reply #1)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 08:10 AM

11. My like made 524 likes

to 593 dislikes.

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Response to duhneece (Reply #11)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 09:58 AM

32. Lot of paid haters or complete idiots must be pushing the dislike button.

Luckily the majority of Americans finally saw through the BS....

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Response to think (Reply #32)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 01:51 PM

70. We used to call that "Freeping" an online poll

But the Freepers are too irrelevant now to remember to call it that.

Just remember than no matter what an online poll says, it doesn't mean a fucking thing.

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Response to Jack Rabbit (Reply #70)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 01:54 PM

72. Drudge trolls come to mind....

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Response to think (Reply #32)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 02:35 PM

76. Love tangling with RW trolls on youtube

Most of them are easily slaughtered with logic. It's fun to watch them twist in the wind.

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Response to think (Reply #32)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 03:22 PM

80. Its crazy!

But we are catching up! 1079 likes to 1081 dislikes!

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Response to duhneece (Reply #11)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 10:59 AM

49. It's now: 745 likes, 719 dislikes

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Response to SDjack (Reply #1)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 12:59 PM

65. Likes v Dislikes: Likes are just barely ahead.

I "liked" and made a comment (under Catharina Shields).

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Response to SDjack (Reply #1)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 01:53 PM

71. I am betting

that some group is using a bot to constantly vote this video down. In a matter of under 3 minutes the count went from 924 likes, 840 dislikes to 929 likes, 938 dislikes. Seems odd that that many dislikes would be recorded in that length of time if you ask me.

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Response to JohnStJohn (Reply #71)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 04:48 PM

90. yep, I saw the same thing


They are wasting their time trying to deflect folks -- all the talk on FoxNews last night with Sean Hannity, Greta and the rest, plus a major revisit this morning with Tucker and Colmes is only bringing MORE attention to the video, not less.

It does show their fear of the straight-forward nature of the cartoon to get through to people that they are putting so much effort into manning the chat room with comments -- some of the same faces going over and over trying to keep positive comments pushed down. (Which only makes themselves feel better and keeps them from moving on to other tasks, so I welcome it)

In the meantime, tweets and facebook posts continue, all thanks to Fox airing it in the first place. Oh Hannity, what were you thinking putting it on national TV to give it the spotlight that it may have never gotten otherwise. Gotta love it.

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Response to SDjack (Reply #1)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 02:35 PM

75. GOP Sheeple are swarming...

on it like flies on s--t with "dislikes" & comments! Saying the cartoon is propaganda created by socialists and/or communists! They don't even know the difference! Tweet & spread far & wide & ask Libs to "Like It" & comment!

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Response to Rockyj (Reply #75)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 04:56 PM

92. it's trending now... I think it's going to be moving faster & faster


Viral Video Chart has a trend chart and it is pretty encouraging

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Response to tomm2thumbs (Reply #92)

Thu Dec 6, 2012, 01:40 AM

115. Wow how do you get that?

What's confusing is the views are about the same because most are viewing it from other sites rather than You Tube!
Up to 2,937 likes compared to 1949 dislikes!

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Response to Rockyj (Reply #115)

Fri Dec 7, 2012, 03:29 AM

140. u can just search videos on that domain and see what comes up

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Response to Rockyj (Reply #75)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 10:02 PM

108. They're apparently not watching it - just taking Fox's word on it. You think they'd learn.

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Response to tomm2thumbs (Original post)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 07:55 AM

2. Crayons

This is so simple even some repubs might understand it, but for the other ones we will need lots of crayons.

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Response to mtasselin (Reply #2)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 11:44 AM

53. even some repubs might understand it,

Have you read the comments?

They still don't get it.

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Response to AlbertCat (Reply #53)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 09:02 PM

105. Never read YouTube comments. They cause despair.

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Response to Dark n Stormy Knight (Reply #105)

Thu Dec 6, 2012, 01:44 AM

116. I know I know

my BAD! ...I've been having comment wars with several of them! I think they all must be the same person.

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Response to Rockyj (Reply #116)

Thu Dec 6, 2012, 02:27 AM

120. You know, I think a lot of them are. They're paid sock-puppets, or meat-puppets or whatever you want

to call them. Check out this want ad:

We need sock puppets. Looking to make a long term arrangement for QUALITY writers to make forum posts and blog comments.

Posts are to be spread over time period given on each contract.

Minimum of 4 users.

Unique posts - no copies of other forums posts.

Pay only after delivery of posts. GUARANTEED.

PAY via PayPal only.

Send us a sample of your writing and your lowest offer for a pack of 20 QUALITY posts.
http://www.projectlance.com/projects/job/17/forum-blog-comment-posting-at-forum-poster/

I have no proof that's for an RW organization, but I'd be very surprised if it wasn't.

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Response to Dark n Stormy Knight (Reply #105)

Thu Dec 6, 2012, 08:22 AM

128. Actually...

They are quite funny because they are so gut wrenchingly stupid. Last night I spent a half hour tangling with them there. It is so easy to pick them apart. It's like shooting fish in a barrel.

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Response to tomm2thumbs (Original post)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 07:58 AM

4. k and r

Can this be posted in Geraral Discussion too?
It is just the vision for a broader audience.

Something like...." This link will drive the Rethugs crazy! "

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Response to goclark (Reply #4)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 07:59 AM

5. please do - !!!

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Response to goclark (Reply #4)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 09:00 AM

22. yes - please do

post in gd

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Response to goclark (Reply #4)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 09:58 AM

33. Yes ... again

It was there the other day

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Response to tomm2thumbs (Original post)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 08:00 AM

6. From the YouTube description:

Tax the rich: An animated fairy tale, is narrated by Ed Asner, with animation by Mike Konopacki. Written and directed by Fred Glass for the California Federation of Teachers. An 8 minute video about how we arrived at this moment of poorly funded public services and widening economic inequality. Things go downhill in a happy and prosperous land after the rich decide they don't want to pay taxes anymore. They tell the people that there is no alternative, but the people aren't so sure. This land bears a startling resemblance to our land. For more info, www.cft.org.

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Response to amb123 (Reply #6)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 08:03 AM

9. Great job by Ed ...

I wondered if that was him.

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Response to Auggie (Reply #9)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 10:10 AM

38. Excellent. I was wondering too. Big Asner fan from way back.

He narrated a video in the 80's, Americas in Transition , that documented America's involvement with dictators in Central & South America. It broke my heart.

I then went to Nicaragua to pick coffee in the war zone to help stop our illegal and secret war there.

Good for Ed to be involved in this project.

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Response to think (Reply #38)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 10:32 AM

46. I'm a fan too

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Response to Auggie (Reply #9)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 10:13 AM

40. Thought I recognized the voice. nt

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Response to tomm2thumbs (Original post)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 08:02 AM

7. K&R

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Response to tomm2thumbs (Original post)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 08:03 AM

8. Source?

Any link to any place that shows that Fox/Hannity paid any attention to this video?

(Personally, I don't think the video is very good, honestly.)

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Response to thesquanderer (Reply #8)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 08:05 AM

10. source

mediaite

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Response to thesquanderer (Reply #8)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 08:28 AM

14. What is it that you don't like about the video?

??

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Response to mac56 (Reply #14)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 08:52 AM

17. plenty


IMO, nothing there will have any impact on anyone who doesn't already believe what's being said. It's too long, too angry, and not particularly entertaining. There are lots of assertions but very little information, and it overstates some of its case. For example, even the people who say that public workers are overpaid are not generally blaming them for the financial collapse, so that comes across as a bit of a strawman argument. And so on. If I wanted to try to make some impact on someone who was not already convinced about this stuff, I'd use Jon Stewart and Colbert clips. Facts and humor go further than assertions and anger.


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Response to thesquanderer (Reply #17)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 09:52 AM

29. Stewart and Colbert clips would turn a lot of people away.

As much as I appreciate them, a lot of people I know perceive them as being too snarky and belittling.

And if you don't think people are blaming public workers for the collapse, clearly you haven't spent any time in Wisconsin lately.

But if it doesn't work for you, it doesn't work for you.

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Response to thesquanderer (Reply #17)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 10:01 AM

34. Stewart and Colbert?

Stewart and Colbert are a little too highbrow for most of the FOX noise crowd they're trying to reach with this video. That's why it's a cartoon.

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Response to brush (Reply #34)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 10:15 AM

41. ^ THIS ^

You can convey messages in animation (or comics, for that matter) that you can't in real life.

From "O'Donnell's Laws Of Cartoon Motion":

For every vengeance there is an equal and opposite revengeance. This is the one law of animated cartoon motion that also applies to the physical world at large. For that reason, we need the relief of watching it happen to a duck instead.

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Response to thesquanderer (Reply #17)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 12:39 PM

61. Stewart and Colbert are already on 5 nights a week each

their acceptable form of liberalism already gets 10 hours every single week. Their main take on class warfare is to mock anyone accusing them of class warfare, because it obviously is not.

What's missing from the conversation is actual class warfare, which this cartoon provides.

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Response to Enrique (Reply #61)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 01:58 PM

73. Four nights per week

Not that it makes any difference to your point, but Stewart and Colbert are on four nights per week, Monday thru Thursday.

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Response to thesquanderer (Reply #17)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 12:54 PM

64. What complete bullshit.

Those ARE Facts and Humor in that cartoon. The strawman here is YOUR lame-ass "argument".

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Response to Zoeisright (Reply #64)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 08:18 PM

101. Geez. Someone asked why I didn't like it, and I explained.

You don't have to get nasty about it. If you liked it, fine.

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Response to Zoeisright (Reply #64)

Thu Dec 6, 2012, 03:45 AM

124. too much coffee?

Taking it a bit personal, are you?

It was mediocre.

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Response to thesquanderer (Reply #17)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 01:40 PM

67. What you said. Too long and plain for ANYONE to get the message. n/t

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Response to thesquanderer (Reply #17)

Thu Dec 6, 2012, 08:27 AM

129. If you read the youtube comments...

many of them are blaming public employees for the collapse.

This is very easy to pick apart. All you have to do is remind them that a few short years ago, public jobs were considered LOW paying, but with decent benefits. If they consider them to be 'high paying' now it is because republican employers have started stripping their employees of pay and benefits. It is their stupid ideology, as always.

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Response to thesquanderer (Reply #8)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 09:33 AM

25. Here's what they are referring to ...

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/hannity-tucker-carlson-and-kirsten-powers-take-on-tax-the-rich-video/

I wish the unrec feature was still here; I unrec posts for not including stuff like this.

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Response to meegbear (Reply #25)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 12:12 PM

57. Thanks. Did you notice this line from the article:

"Hannity remarked that the video almost made him want to “beat up a rich person.” He and both panelists agreed that the video seems too willing to demonize success."

The inference being that, in the view of Hannity and Fox colleagues, wealth is the measure of success. No wonder teachers and other public servants are regarded by asshats like these as unsuccessful freeloaders.

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Response to Aldo Leopold (Reply #57)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 08:43 PM

103. Ah yes, "success"

The kind of success that comes from winning the Sperm Lottery!

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Response to meegbear (Reply #25)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 02:41 PM

77. This video is amusing

The fact that Hannity is upset by this video shows how effective this video is

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Response to Gothmog (Reply #77)

Thu Dec 6, 2012, 02:13 AM

118. True dat.

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Response to meegbear (Reply #25)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 08:20 PM

102. Thanks for the link

I can't bring myself to watch the Hannity clip, though.

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Response to meegbear (Reply #25)

Thu Dec 6, 2012, 01:57 AM

117. I love ED's answer to Fox producer's question!

The actual confrontation went like this:

The Fox producer asked Asner: “Do you remember the video? Do you know what I’m talking about?”

“I don’t remember a thing I said on it or a word I said on it,” Asner replied, “but I agreed to do it for California teachers. I approve this message.”

“There’s a part of it where talking about things trickling down and they have like rich people peeing on poor people,” the producer explained further.

“How disgusting,” Asner said. “It should be reversed.”

“So you don’t remember that?” the producer asked.

“Do you have any money?” Asner asked with a smirk.

“Yeah.”

“Can I piss on you?” asked the actor.

And… end scene.

“Pretty classy, Mr. Asner,” Hannity concluded back in studio. “I guess it’s true there’s really no business like show business.”



http://www.mediaite.com/tv/ed-asner-asks-fox-news-producer-can-i-piss-on-you/

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Response to Rockyj (Reply #117)

Thu Dec 6, 2012, 02:17 AM

119. Welcome to DU, Rockyj!

Glad to have you with us!

"Can I piss on you?" Ed Asner asks a hapless Pox Noise producer. calimary would add - "take a number."

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Response to tomm2thumbs (Original post)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 08:20 AM

12. Ditto! Kicked!

And "Liked" on YouTube too. Great video! Let's make it go viral.

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Response to tomm2thumbs (Original post)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 08:20 AM

13. This is good but

 

Money as Debt is much better. Still glad it's out there.

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Response to RegieRocker (Reply #13)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 08:32 AM

15. You work for Hannity?

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Response to lonestarnot (Reply #15)

Sun Dec 9, 2012, 08:41 AM

142. You Mitts best buddy?

 

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Response to tomm2thumbs (Original post)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 08:39 AM

16. Good video

And who cares if Sean Hannity and his buds at Fux Noise have their Depends in a bind?

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Response to tomm2thumbs (Original post)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 08:53 AM

18. great. I hadn't seen this before. Thanks

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Response to tomm2thumbs (Original post)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 08:57 AM

19. The rich people's money towers crashed on our houses.

Good visual.

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Response to fasttense (Reply #19)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 10:16 AM

43. They nail the visuals on trickle down...

I have used the phrase (stolen and modified from the Outlaw Josie Wales) "don't piss down my back and tell me it's trickle down economics"

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Response to tomm2thumbs (Original post)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 08:58 AM

20. K&R, tweeted, facebooked and emailed. nt

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Response to tomm2thumbs (Original post)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 08:59 AM

21. Chickenhawk WhineBaby Hannity is upset about the truth again?

That's encouraging.

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Response to tomm2thumbs (Original post)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 09:04 AM

23. I like the video.

I think it is written on a level that even under-informed (fox viewers) can relate to. Maybe it can help them to realize the 1% has screwed them continually... I can't believe that it is not liked on you tube. I will "like" it and hope that it gets some teevee air time.

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Response to tomm2thumbs (Original post)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 09:11 AM

24. Another scapegoat

was "illegal" immigrants. I remember even people here on DU were pointing the finger at them..

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Response to tomm2thumbs (Original post)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 09:37 AM

26. Love THIS

Bookmarking.

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Response to tomm2thumbs (Original post)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 09:42 AM

27. X-posting to the Economy Group.

Thanks so much for sharing this tomm2thumbs!

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Response to tomm2thumbs (Original post)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 09:45 AM

28. re:Video Has FoxNews in a Panic!!

fox news . meh . good cartoon and good explination. too bad this isnt an advert on tv.repeated and repeated .

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Response to tomm2thumbs (Original post)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 09:53 AM

30. Well done

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Response to tomm2thumbs (Original post)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 09:55 AM

31. This is obviously being Freeped on Youtube.

Just look at all of the disparaging comments. Those didn't arise organically. They show that certain people are afraid of this video and are rallying their minions. It's obviously an organized effort. In response, we need to increase the likes and overwhelm the "this is a load of crap" comments with positive remarks reinforcing the truth of this video.

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Response to drm604 (Reply #31)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 10:04 AM

35. "this is a load of crap" is such incisive criticism.

The intelligence is so thick you could cut it with a knife.

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Response to dchill (Reply #35)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 10:33 AM

47. It's easy and quick to post and enough of it drives any positive remarks off of the page.

We need to give thumbs down to all remarks of that type, and give thumbs up to all positive remarks, and post our own positive remarks.

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Response to tomm2thumbs (Original post)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 10:05 AM

36. Kick.

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Response to tomm2thumbs (Original post)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 10:07 AM

37. I liiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiked it!

And I liked it on YouTube. Jump on over to YouTube ASAP and like it too!!!...we're still behind a bit...

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Response to tomm2thumbs (Original post)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 10:11 AM

39. The sad thing is people probably do think the cause of the crash was money falling on their houses

 

They had no idea what they were doing when they bought into a bubble, leveraged too highly, stretched their budgets too far, or used their homes as piggy banks.

All they can do is blame others because they don't understand risk and they don't understand debt.

Look at the college loan situation. It's the same exact thing and it didn't even need banks. Now it's the Government loading up kids with college debt.

Nobody learns.

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Response to dkf (Reply #39)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 10:26 AM

44. They were encouraged to do that by the banks.

Not everyone is a finance wizard, nor can everyone be expected to be one.

The banks have an obligation to lend money wisely and not make irresponsible loans. In the past, their own self interest made sure that they met that obligation. The collateralization of mortgages combined with unregulated gambling and dishonest ratings changed that equation.

And no, I don't think that anyone literally believes that money fell on their houses. It's an analogy and I'm quite certain that nearly everyone gets that.

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Response to drm604 (Reply #44)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 11:43 AM

52. So what is the government doing to kids enabling them to incur such large loans?

 

Same thing?

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Response to dkf (Reply #52)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 03:38 PM

82. Obama got rid of the middle men

By taking over the loans directly, students pay less interest, and don't have to start paying back those loans until they are gainfully employed. So not the same thing by a long shot.

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Response to Whoopdedoo (Reply #82)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 04:07 PM

85. Welcome to DU!

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Response to Whoopdedoo (Reply #82)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 09:43 PM

106. Welcome!

Nice first post.

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Response to dkf (Reply #39)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 11:05 AM

50. If I am a bank with billions of dollars and you are a poor shlub looking for a mortgage

and can't really afford one, the onus is on ME to determine wheter you are too high risk or not.

*I* have all the money
*I* have all the power
*I* get to decide wheter I loan it to you or not, it's MY FUCKING MONEY after all.
*I* have the responsibility in the relationship. YOU are a pathetic little beggar who wants some table scraps.

In fact maybe I *will* loan you the money and then bet *against* your ability to pay it back with credit default swaps and collateralized debt obligations and other exotic financial devices that you can't possibly understand, you little shit, and laugh all the way to the bank when you default. Oh wait, I *am* the bank! Muahaha!

Yeah, "all they can do is blame others" oh, it is to laugh. LOOK OVER THERE!!!!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beazer_Homes_USA

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Response to yodermon (Reply #50)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 01:49 PM

69. So when you pay someone for their expertise, you actually expect to receive it?


Believing that was your mistake. Don't blame them for taking advantage of you. You let them.

Worse than that, you went to them, not the other way around. So you invited them to screw you over. They did not force you to pay them for their services. It is all your fault.

Because the disclaimer is sadly necessary in light of the post to which you are responding.


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Response to dkf (Reply #39)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 05:13 PM

93. Actually a lot of people have learned

to recognize Fox News talking points.

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Response to tomm2thumbs (Original post)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 10:15 AM

42. Posted to for facebook re-posting later..

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Response to tomm2thumbs (Original post)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 10:31 AM

45. Ohboy!

kickkin' & reccin'

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Response to tomm2thumbs (Original post)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 10:44 AM

48. Wow, great video. Everybody should see it.

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Response to tomm2thumbs (Original post)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 11:17 AM

51. Love it - a must watch

thanks tomm2thumbs

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Response to pipewrench (Reply #51)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 12:03 PM

55. I hope to see it on the nightly news

but I don't think I will...

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Response to tomm2thumbs (Original post)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 12:03 PM

54. I love the sound of talking heads exploding.

&feature=youtu.be

Tax the Rich: An animated fairy tale
Likes 805 Dislikes 797

Keep on liking people.

K&R

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Response to Smilo (Reply #54)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 12:15 AM

144. I have seen this for 5 decades...

I have watched what the rich have done for 5 decades and tried to warn people but my words fell on deaf ears. The start of this was in 1966 when I could walk down any street and stick my head in a shop door and say I need a job. I would have one before I got three doors! Then the government told the rich they didn't have to pay benefits if they laid off people just before Thanksgiving and hired them back when they needed to do inventory. SO, that is exactly what they did!
Then the EPA came in and closed down the mines where I worked claiming that the lead dust was a hazard to the miners health and to the town. Then they closed the Cement plant for the same reason. That was followed by them claiming that the fish couldn't get up the river because of the dams so they stopped all hydroelectric dams. Then they stopped the local loggers from logging because of the "Spotted Owl" and they allowed Japanese loggers to come in and clear cut the mountains and then they shipped the trees 200 miles off the coast of Seattle where the Japanese processing ships turned the timber into plywood and sold it back to us. That caused the cost of a sheet of 3/4 plywood construction grade to go from $11.00 a sheet to $44.00 a sheet overnight!
Then they began laying off people and closing plants and sending our jobs overseas claiming that the Unions were asking too much money and they couldn't afford us anymore. When we caught them on that subject they then said that it was because we lacked the education and skills to do the jobs they had. Truth was they didn't bother to find out if we had the skills or education. They sent the jobs to China and Korea and Afghanistan and India and they brought farmers in out of the fields who obviously had more education and skills than we did here in America! Then they taught them to work in sweatshops cranking out stuff to send back here and make Wal Mart rich and Apple.
I still kept working at whatever I could and I was one of those people that did the migrant work that no American would want and I worked in the fields next to the Mexicans doing the same work. All the time the Government kept telling the middle class it was the poor that was the source of their problems because we laid up on welfare and took food stamps and made babies and didn't look for work cause we were lazy! Of course the middle class bought it and they preached it for years. All the time housing and rents kept going up and up till I couldn't afford to buy a house or even pay rent on one. The middle class wasn't worried they had credit cards and big houses and many cars and boats and ski doos and ATVs all on credit. Then one day the house of cards the rich built fell down around their ears and the too big to fail banks and insurance companies who pillaged the poor and middle class for years wanted a bail out! So everyone let them have it. THey paid themselves Humongous bonuses for failing. They went after the middle class and foreclosed on their homes and blamed them for going into debt for stuff they couldn't afford and then put them out in the street!
Now those people that used to be middle class and called me lazy are now in the same boat as I am and they want pitty! Well somehow I don't feel all that sorry for them after decades of being called lazy and having to take migrant jobs and setting sprinkler pipe in knee deep mud for ten cents a head in January with no coat and pneumonia just to feed my daughter and wife. Because of the rich and having to work part time jobs and migrant jobs I have never made more than $7000 a year! But I got my kids raised on it and now I am old and broken down and retired and get $4440 a year from Social Security and God help me if I get sick because I can't pay for medicare or Medicaid and I don't qualify for anything from the state. The Insurance companies will let me have a quarter of a million in death benefits for $29.00 a month. They want 395.00 a month for health insurance! So in short they want me to die but they don't want me to live! If I go to the bank to cash my social security they charge me $15.00 for cashing my check. I can get it at wal mart for $3.00 if I do it there. If I could afford to have a bank account with $10,000 in it I could get it done for free. So not only did they make me poor but they penalized me for being poor my whole life. However there is one thing they did not do! They didn't take my faith, my honor, or my soul! They made me a survivor! I will use my last ounce of energy and my last breath speaking out against this kind of ME attitude and the constant blocking anything that will help the working class! I went without food so I could buy a computer so I am able to have a voice. The rich will play the races and the classes and everyone against everyone as long as they can keep us divided! They blame anyone they can to take the heat off of themselves. If we don't put a stop to it there won't be any America to be proud of!! We have to shine the light in the darkest recesses of Wall Street and Big business and Big Insurance and get the prices down so we can afford the American dream that my father and mother knew. We have to HARP on JOBS JOBS and MORE Jobs till they spend some money on the poorest sectors of our society. They cry for billions for some third world country to feed the starving kids and the warrior class steals the money and food and medicine and blows up our cities! They want to take away my pitiful social security all $376 dollars a month of it! How about we take the entitlements of Congress first they get paid for life no matter how long they serve! Lets deal with THOSE entitlements first! Lets feed OUR starving and educate OUR children not teach some son or daughter of some terrorist how to go home and teach others to make bombs and such to destroy us with! Ok I have spoken my piece! God Bless America because He is the only one that seems to care!

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Response to tomm2thumbs (Original post)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 12:12 PM

56. Dang I liked it before it was fashionable XD ;)

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Response to tomm2thumbs (Original post)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 12:19 PM

58. Pass it on and get the conservanazis excited.

It explains what's going on in this country right now and who the 99% is.

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Response to tomm2thumbs (Original post)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 12:31 PM

59. I wonder if Hannity has seen this one, too? (Everyone should!)

About the military budget. Short cartoon, easily understood, very powerful. Could penetrate Fox viewers' skulls...

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Response to mcranor (Reply #59)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 12:41 PM

62. wow - that is worth an OP if it hasn't been done already


agree with all the points you made

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Response to mcranor (Reply #59)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 01:36 PM

66. I agree 1,000%

Both of these videos need to go viral ASAP.

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Response to mcranor (Reply #59)

Thu Dec 6, 2012, 12:04 PM

136. Wow

 

I thought the OP video was good but this is 1000x better.

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Response to tomm2thumbs (Original post)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 12:38 PM

60. Great Post! Kick n/t

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Response to tomm2thumbs (Original post)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 12:45 PM

63. added my like

thanks for sharing k&r

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Response to tomm2thumbs (Original post)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 01:42 PM

68. neck & neck at 923 likes, 924 dislikes . added my like.

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Response to tomm2thumbs (Original post)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 02:15 PM

74. Now at 954 likes, 967 dislikes

This is a very good retelling of what's been going on.

One minor wish...that the explanation was a lot clearer of the 2007-08 crash - that of the bundling of junk financial 'products' and the casino investment banks and firms.

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Response to tomm2thumbs (Original post)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 03:17 PM

78. This is also good (RSA Animate)

although, it would hold the attention of a much smaller audience...

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Response to tomm2thumbs (Original post)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 03:21 PM

79. oh and this

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Response to tomm2thumbs (Original post)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 03:24 PM

81. k & r n/t

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Response to tomm2thumbs (Original post)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 04:00 PM

83. They were attacking Ed Asner about this the other day.

I saw a teaser on Fox when I was channel surfing and they were attacking Ed Asner. Now I know why. Thank you for whoever did this video I will post on my facebook page.

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Response to tomm2thumbs (Original post)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 04:06 PM

84. ++++++

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Response to tomm2thumbs (Original post)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 04:19 PM

86. Wow and Reccomend!

 

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Response to tomm2thumbs (Original post)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 04:31 PM

87. When did Hannity pull this from FOX News?

I'd like to see that video ... would be interesting to see his reaction.

Problem is, all you have to do is read the comments to understand how little informed people are and why this video's impact won't be big. The top comment right now is talking about high taxes and more spending not doing a damn thing to improve the economy in California ... and it's getting thumbs ups. That's what we're going against, I'm afraid.

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Response to tomm2thumbs (Original post)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 04:48 PM

88. Went to Youtube and "Liked" it.

1223 Like to 1209 Dislike

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Response to tomm2thumbs (Original post)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 04:48 PM

89. I posted this video on FB a few days ago

And sure enough I got the attention of my libertarian friend who told me that I'm a hypocrite because I live in a nice house and have a nice car. He told be I should voluntarily give more taxes, since I have that right. I replied that I would gladly pay more if the high wage earners did as well.

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Response to tomm2thumbs (Original post)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 04:50 PM

91. Ed hits that sarcasm note so well - love him

 

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Response to tomm2thumbs (Original post)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 06:06 PM

94. Once this truly goes viral there will be way more likes.

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Response to budkin (Reply #94)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 06:31 PM

95. I hope so!! It's terrific :) nt

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Response to tomm2thumbs (Original post)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 06:45 PM

96. k&r

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Response to tomm2thumbs (Original post)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 07:32 PM

97. K&R

Of course a lot of people will see this and say "Hey! Neato! I'll invest in Wall St and help them achieve their goals."
To those that don't, .

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Response to tomm2thumbs (Original post)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 07:36 PM

98. 1,639 likes, 1,426 dislikes nt

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Response to tomm2thumbs (Original post)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 07:55 PM

99. This is great!

More and more people are getting it. Unfortunately, there are some that are so brainwashed from fox noise that they think this is all made up and communistic.

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Response to tomm2thumbs (Original post)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 08:04 PM

100. tomm!!!! ---California teachers union video shows rich man urinating on poor to make taxes case

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/12/05/california-teachers-union-video-shows-rich-man-urinating-on-poor-to-make-case/

An animated video produced by a California teachers union uses the crude imagery of a rich man urinating on common folks to decry what narrator Ed Asner claims is rich people’s refusal to pay their share of taxes.

The crude footage is part of a “Tax the rich: An animated fairy tale,” an eight-minute video written and directed by California Federation of Teachers’ communications director Fred Glass. In it, Asner describes a mythical land that seems to represent the U.S. and how it financed its services. He says the rich sought to evade taxes and put their money into “Wall Street” – yet another clue to the real identity of the storybook country.

“Don’t worry,” Asner says, speaking for the rich. “This is good for you, too. Because it will trickle down from us to you.”


Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/12/05/california-teachers-union-video-shows-rich-man-urinating-on-poor-to-make-case/#ixzz2EEHvAg9Y

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Response to tomm2thumbs (Original post)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 09:00 PM

104. +1 nt

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Response to tomm2thumbs (Original post)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 09:54 PM

107. nailed it!

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Response to tomm2thumbs (Original post)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 10:19 PM

109. How could anyone dislike this?

This "cartoon" is put together so well. It speaks the truth. 100% rec!!!

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Response to tomm2thumbs (Original post)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 10:36 PM

110. bookmark. Thanks. n/t

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Response to tomm2thumbs (Original post)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 11:52 PM

111. Great video. But it looks like the right-wing nuts have flocked to it

on Youtube.

Sucks. Always feel bad about the entire human race when I read right-wingers on Youtube.

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Response to tomm2thumbs (Original post)

Thu Dec 6, 2012, 01:22 AM

112. Great - I love it.

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Response to tomm2thumbs (Original post)

Thu Dec 6, 2012, 01:27 AM

113. The best part, to me, is that Ed Asner is narrating

Aka Ed Wuncler, Sr. from the Boondocks

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Response to tomm2thumbs (Original post)

Thu Dec 6, 2012, 01:34 AM

114. FoxNews catches up to Asner -- Ed Asner Asks Fox News Producer: ‘Can I Piss On You?’

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Response to Tx4obama (Reply #114)

Sun Dec 9, 2012, 10:05 AM

143. I just saw that...

Hannity needed Michelle Malkin to join him in a "comment" on this interview and the cartoon in general.

This is about as "news" as it gets for Fox News. They have the same comments from the same guests who find something to whine about while they pretend to present any news.

Can I piss on them, too?

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Response to tomm2thumbs (Original post)

Thu Dec 6, 2012, 03:29 AM

121. The video is no longer available. Dang, I missed it.

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Response to mfcorey1 (Reply #121)

Thu Dec 6, 2012, 03:40 AM

122. Here it is...

The channel took it down and reposted it for some reason...

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Response to tomm2thumbs (Original post)

Thu Dec 6, 2012, 03:43 AM

123. And I'll just leave this right here...

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Response to tomm2thumbs (Original post)

Thu Dec 6, 2012, 04:23 AM

125. One for the block...

 

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Response to tomm2thumbs (Original post)

Thu Dec 6, 2012, 07:08 AM

126. LINK NO LONGER WORKS! VIDEO IS NOW MARKED PRIVATE!!! NT

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Response to tomm2thumbs (Original post)

Thu Dec 6, 2012, 07:10 AM

127. Here's the new link

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Response to Pryderi (Reply #127)

Thu Dec 6, 2012, 10:43 AM

132. The same selfish pigs that voted for Romney/Ryan are pooping all over this

even after the url of the video changed.

Class warfare. Greedy corporate whores and their worshipers against the other half of the country who voted for some semblance of fairness and/or hope of changing our present course - and although I'm really hesitant to lump all of those piggy comments into the us vs them category, I'd be willing to be that most of those commenting aren't even close to being in the 1%, they are wannabe's or thinkIam's but more than likely, neverbe.

Go figure the stupidity and ignorance, I can't.

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Response to nc4bo (Reply #132)

Thu Dec 6, 2012, 11:04 AM

133. If you upload it, just disable comments.nt

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Response to Pryderi (Reply #133)

Thu Dec 6, 2012, 11:40 AM

135. I'd probably do that if it were me...

but then again, perhaps it's beneficial to see exactly the type of mentality we're up against.

They are like rabid animals - I'd probably disable the comments just to piss them off. They'll have to keep their vitriol to themselves.

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Response to Pryderi (Reply #127)

Fri Dec 7, 2012, 03:24 AM

139. thanks I updated the OP with that

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Response to tomm2thumbs (Original post)

Thu Dec 6, 2012, 08:31 AM

130. The video has been made private

Whoever posted it basically yanked it.

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Response to AgingAmerican (Reply #130)

Thu Dec 6, 2012, 11:18 AM

134. The new link is on post 127. nt

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Response to tomm2thumbs (Original post)

Thu Dec 6, 2012, 09:05 AM

131. Bookmarking to watch later!

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Response to tomm2thumbs (Original post)

Thu Dec 6, 2012, 02:36 PM

137. Oh it's private now. Can't see the video any more sad :(

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Response to pam4water (Reply #137)

Thu Dec 6, 2012, 02:53 PM

138. You can see it anytime you want............Enjoy it here

in this thread (new url link).

http://www.democraticunderground.com/101784654

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Response to nc4bo (Reply #138)

Sat Dec 8, 2012, 04:00 PM

141. Thanks.

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