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Tue Nov 27, 2012, 11:54 AM

Thom Hartmann: Is Grover Norquist an Enemy of the State?



Is it possible that Grover Norquist, the multi-millionaire K-Street lobbyist long funded by billionaires, is an enemy of the state? Pretty strong language, but consider that he has connived over the years to get hundreds of members of Congress to violate their own oath of office by pledging a higher oath to keep billionaires taxes low than their pledge to the Constitution itself.

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Reply Thom Hartmann: Is Grover Norquist an Enemy of the State? (Original post)
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Response to thomhartmann (Original post)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 12:19 PM

1. No doubt!

And you can add the majority of hosts at fox-nonsense to that list. I've long said that if we prosecuted "sedition" as it could and should be prosecuted, hannity, bor, limballs, ingraham, levine, savage, larson and several lesser seditious pigs would be prosecuted in a heart beat.

I don't care about differences of opinions. But I DO care about out and out lying and undermining the government that serves you and your country. These stinking liars persistently lie and distort truth to oppose this President, this administration, and this US government.

Sure....norquist is an enemy of the state..but he is not alone.

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Response to Hulk (Reply #1)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 12:43 PM

2. ^this

There are many GOP politicians that are in that group as well.

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Response to thomhartmann (Original post)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 01:46 PM

3. No, he's not

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Thom, Thom, Thom.

Just because the Constitution gives Congress the right to lay and collect taxes, it doesn't mean that it must exercise that right. I agree that it would be a very good idea if it did, if just to keep federal highways in good repair.

That Grover Norquist and his nutty (but obscenely wealthy) right wing friends disagree is something they have every right to do. They can, and should be able to, express that point of view without fear of prosecution.

The problem, as you say, is that they can finance the destruction of career politicians who disagree with them. What we need to do is get their money out of politics, not suggest that they be branded enemies of the state and threatened with with government sanctions like prosecution on some frivolous treason charge. We're not going to start with some spectacle of a public hearing in which we ask Paul Ryan, "Mr. Ryan, are you now or have you ever been an objectivist?" Holding to Ayn Rand's view of the world isn't a quality I want in a congressman, but it isn't a crime.

In spite of what some people say, America is a democracy, not a mere republic. Democracy is what Thomas Paine embraced, what Tocqueville observed and what Walt Whitman praised. It has always been a part of the American cultural fabric. Allowing the present campaign financing system to persist subverts democracy. Everybody should be heard, not just those like the Koch brothers, who can afford to buy bigger and better bullhorns. That explains what makes Citizens United bad law.

There are other things that explain why Ayn Rand's worldview, and by extension the world views of Paul Ryan, the Koch brothers and Grover Norquist, is flawed and not even a reasonable representation of reality. That truth can come out when more voices are heard and fewer can shout down others with noise from a loudspeaker.

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Response to thomhartmann (Original post)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 07:08 PM

4. Yes, Thom, he is an Enemy of the State. Those who knowingly and wantonly cause injury to the

 

State, irrespective of laws that seem to confer permission in doing this, are enemies of the state.

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Response to thomhartmann (Original post)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 02:22 AM

5. I love reading, listening to Thom and Mike Pap.

 

Both are worth listening to.

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Response to thomhartmann (Original post)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 08:18 AM

6. So, does this mean that all those who signed Norquist's pledge have committed treason?

As the "I didn't know...," excuse should not work to justify the treasonous acts of those who did sign it, will there be prosecutions? Removals from office? Congressional hearings? Anything? The depth of forgiveness for this kind of betrayal seems to extend to all that involves money. Anthony Weiner is gone, and these traitors get to stay?

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