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Howard Dean: Let's Drive Over the Fiscal Cliff (Original Post) boingboinh Nov 2012 OP
Tell 'em, Howard! Fridays Child Nov 2012 #1
Do it! GitRDun Nov 2012 #2
You, along with Jon Huntsman as a Republican opponent, would be maddiemom Nov 2012 #3
The "fiscal cliff" balances the budget in two years. pa28 Nov 2012 #4
Except that it doesn't balance the budget at all. DesMoinesDem Nov 2012 #28
The Congressional budget office has some useful information on this issue. pa28 Nov 2012 #32
I know what the CBO says about the deficit DesMoinesDem Nov 2012 #33
OK then. NEARLY balanced. pa28 Nov 2012 #34
So now pointing out the facts is trolling? DesMoinesDem Nov 2012 #35
He REALLY needs to be doing something more important with his brain... Volaris Nov 2012 #5
Absolutely. zeemike Nov 2012 #24
its such a no-brainer! veganlush Nov 2012 #6
love me some howard dean. he would never be the appeaser in chief. come back, howie nt msongs Nov 2012 #7
KR grahamhgreen Nov 2012 #8
I so agree with Howard... ReRe Nov 2012 #9
kick for Howard please goclark Nov 2012 #15
Wow Ash_F Nov 2012 #10
Robert Reich is talking this way too, only he calls it a fiscal hill to climb, link: patrice Nov 2012 #11
Our house agrees... SoapBox Nov 2012 #12
That man is my POLITICO HERO indeed! LovingA2andMI Nov 2012 #13
I agree rks306 Nov 2012 #14
As a Deaniac I approve this message. MichaelSoE Nov 2012 #16
k & r n/t ejbr Nov 2012 #17
AGREED, MEDICINE TIME, DR. DEAN drynberg Nov 2012 #18
Wow, he looks great! Rose Siding Nov 2012 #19
Deficits don't matter fasttense Nov 2012 #20
I do not agree with cutting SS, Medicaid/Medicare one bit. The middle class has been stagnant Dustlawyer Nov 2012 #21
The Doctor Is In. DinahMoeHum Nov 2012 #22
Thank the gods AldoLeopold Nov 2012 #23
Love 'ya Howard. maddiemom Nov 2012 #25
Sorry to repeat myself. Got carried away. maddiemom Nov 2012 #26
Right on! Faryn Balyncd Nov 2012 #27
Deanocrat, here. :-))))))))))))))) patrice Nov 2012 #29
Yep! MyOwnPeace Nov 2012 #30
Howard Dean gets it .... MaynardGeeKrebs Nov 2012 #31
When a guy tells me it's gonna hurt rock Nov 2012 #36
Howard and Krugman and a number of real Dems agree Doctor_J Nov 2012 #37
a true statesman. Faryn Balyncd Nov 2012 #38
Very happy to see this... MrMickeysMom Nov 2012 #39
Any CEO/corporation who complains that the fiscal cliff will destroy the economy... Crowman1979 Nov 2012 #40
K&R! Let's do it. Then eliminate the filibuster on Day One and introduce our Middle Class Tax Cut Overseas Nov 2012 #41
K&R nt ProudProgressiveNow Nov 2012 #42
more Howard, please. If he had been kept at the DNC, what are the chances the GOP would still yurbud Nov 2012 #43
You know what I was saying just the other day? savebigbird Nov 2012 #44
whole-heartedly agree. blackspade Nov 2012 #45

maddiemom

(5,106 posts)
3. You, along with Jon Huntsman as a Republican opponent, would be
Wed Nov 21, 2012, 01:53 AM
Nov 2012

the Dream Presidential Campaign. Let loose, it would be wonderful. It will never happen, of course. "Pretty to think so".

"

pa28

(6,145 posts)
4. The "fiscal cliff" balances the budget in two years.
Wed Nov 21, 2012, 01:53 AM
Nov 2012

I don't think Republicans understand this. For the past four years they have portrayed the deficit as an existential crisis threatening the very fabric of the republic and their children's future . . . and on and on . . .

If we all pay a little more in tax on January 1st and suck up a little of that "shared sacrifice" they are so fond of talking about we balance the budget right now instead of the two or three decades prescribed by the Ryan plan.

I'm totally fine with going off the the cliff.

pa28

(6,145 posts)
32. The Congressional budget office has some useful information on this issue.
Wed Nov 21, 2012, 01:49 PM
Nov 2012

This is the deficit scenario under the "fiscal cliff".

What Is the Budget Outlook for 2014 to 2022 Under Current Law (CBO’s Baseline)?
Deficits and Debt: Budget deficits are projected to continue to shrink for several years—to 2.4 percent of GDP in 2014 and 0.4 percent by 2018—before rising again to 0.9 percent by 2019.


http://www.cbo.gov/publication/43539


 

DesMoinesDem

(1,569 posts)
33. I know what the CBO says about the deficit
Wed Nov 21, 2012, 02:05 PM
Nov 2012

which is why I said it doesn't balance the budget at all. Not one year is the budget balanced, which that graph clearly shows.

 

DesMoinesDem

(1,569 posts)
35. So now pointing out the facts is trolling?
Wed Nov 21, 2012, 02:21 PM
Nov 2012

You may go about your regularly scheduled lying, and I'll be right behind you to call you out.

Volaris

(10,260 posts)
5. He REALLY needs to be doing something more important with his brain...
Wed Nov 21, 2012, 01:54 AM
Nov 2012

Let's put him back in charge of the DNC, at the very least. I hope he decides to run for President again. If anyone would have the balls to put Liz Warren on a ticket "ahead of schedule" it would be him, and I would back that decision wholeheartedly, win OR lose.

zeemike

(18,998 posts)
24. Absolutely.
Wed Nov 21, 2012, 11:43 AM
Nov 2012

I would like to see Dean as president...I think he would be a Harry Truman like president...and we could use that now.

veganlush

(2,049 posts)
6. its such a no-brainer!
Wed Nov 21, 2012, 02:13 AM
Nov 2012

Of course we should do it! We should be calling our reps. And screaming it from the rooftops! Its perfect and we dont need ANY cooperation from the repugnants. Absolutely a no-brainer but i doubt it will happen.

ReRe

(10,597 posts)
9. I so agree with Howard...
Wed Nov 21, 2012, 03:03 AM
Nov 2012

... IMHO, one thing the Repubs did teach us was that they can't be trusted. If we agree to let the New Year come without twilighting those Bush tax breaks, they will stab us all in the back. Democrats have the ball & the momentum now and we need to carry through and do what needs to be done. The Bush tax breaks weren't supposed to last FOREVER. "Job-makers" my you-know-what. Obama has nothing to loose now, so we need to do the right thing. He told the People he would when campaigning. Remember guys... he has to sign whatever they come up with. He holds the pen.

goclark

(30,404 posts)
15. kick for Howard please
Wed Nov 21, 2012, 06:28 AM
Nov 2012

He explained it clearly...he should be doiñg
TV interviews all day and all night

patrice

(47,992 posts)
11. Robert Reich is talking this way too, only he calls it a fiscal hill to climb, link:
Wed Nov 21, 2012, 03:26 AM
Nov 2012
http://robertreich.org/post/36001609487

Reich is saying stop making such a big deal out of the deficit, don't ignore it entirely, but it isn't the huge threat some people are pretending it is. (We owe most of that deficit to ourselves, anyway, don't we?). Reich says concentrate on government spending that creates jobs (which wouldn't be the military obviously).

LovingA2andMI

(7,006 posts)
13. That man is my POLITICO HERO indeed!
Wed Nov 21, 2012, 03:51 AM
Nov 2012

Right on point as usual!

So glad that I have a picture with Gov. Dean taken at Netroots Nation this year!

rks306

(116 posts)
14. I agree
Wed Nov 21, 2012, 04:18 AM
Nov 2012

All the GOP are upset about the debt. Cuts spending and returns to Clinton rates. Maybe for two years they could pass a middle and a low end tax cut. Then taxes must return to original rates. Maybe even higher on the upper income levels.

drynberg

(1,648 posts)
18. AGREED, MEDICINE TIME, DR. DEAN
Wed Nov 21, 2012, 09:12 AM
Nov 2012

Seriously, Howard is spot on. Time to bite the friggin' bullet and do the correct (not RightWing) thing.

 

fasttense

(17,301 posts)
20. Deficits don't matter
Wed Nov 21, 2012, 09:51 AM
Nov 2012

The Darth Vader of the RepubliCON party knew it.

Even so, the fiscal cliff is no cliff. It's a small hill. Let it happen.

Dustlawyer

(10,493 posts)
21. I do not agree with cutting SS, Medicaid/Medicare one bit. The middle class has been stagnant
Wed Nov 21, 2012, 10:02 AM
Nov 2012

For at least 25 years while the rich have continuously done extremely well. My balance approach would be to cut the military industrial complex by 50%, increase taxes on the wealthy and cut loopholes, institute a trade tax on Wall Street, negotiate RX drug prices down for Medicaid/Medicare and put the savings in SS. I would also withhold for SS starting again at $250,000 on up. Too bad reality enters the picture and we cannot come close to doing these things due to rampant corruption of our politicians and our political process.

 

AldoLeopold

(617 posts)
23. Thank the gods
Wed Nov 21, 2012, 11:04 AM
Nov 2012

Cut defense! Cut defense! It is so refreshing to hear someone saying this. I admire him so much. This is the only viable solution.

maddiemom

(5,106 posts)
25. Love 'ya Howard.
Wed Nov 21, 2012, 11:45 AM
Nov 2012

Just think if Dean were the most influential Democrat, and Jon Huntsman the most influential Republican. Would things be too sane or what?

MaynardGeeKrebs

(31 posts)
31. Howard Dean gets it ....
Wed Nov 21, 2012, 01:37 PM
Nov 2012

I have the feeling that there's alot more politicians out there who "get it" but won't speak out.

It's not that hard to explain. Bernie Sanders explains it in terms even a tea bagger can understand.

 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
37. Howard and Krugman and a number of real Dems agree
Wed Nov 21, 2012, 04:58 PM
Nov 2012

prediction: The president will give in to Boner's threats instead of heeding the party faithful

Crowman1979

(3,844 posts)
40. Any CEO/corporation who complains that the fiscal cliff will destroy the economy...
Thu Nov 22, 2012, 12:02 PM
Nov 2012

...is actually committing economic extortion up the 99%. In actuality, it won't really affect them. The 1% just want to scare people into giving them more money.

Overseas

(12,121 posts)
41. K&R! Let's do it. Then eliminate the filibuster on Day One and introduce our Middle Class Tax Cut
Thu Nov 22, 2012, 02:07 PM
Nov 2012

bill and then a Tiny Transaction Tax on Wall Street trades.

Too Big To Fail means Too Big Not To Contribute.

yurbud

(39,405 posts)
43. more Howard, please. If he had been kept at the DNC, what are the chances the GOP would still
Thu Nov 22, 2012, 03:49 PM
Nov 2012

hold the House?

savebigbird

(417 posts)
44. You know what I was saying just the other day?
Thu Nov 22, 2012, 05:40 PM
Nov 2012

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"You just don't see enough of Howard Dean these days." I think Dean should have gotten together with Biden when he was making his campaigning rounds. That would have been a hoot.

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