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Wed Nov 21, 2012, 12:10 AM

 

Howard Dean: Let's Drive Over the Fiscal Cliff

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Reply Howard Dean: Let's Drive Over the Fiscal Cliff (Original post)
boingboinh Nov 2012 OP
Fridays Child Nov 2012 #1
GitRDun Nov 2012 #2
maddiemom Nov 2012 #3
pa28 Nov 2012 #4
DesMoinesDem Nov 2012 #28
pa28 Nov 2012 #32
DesMoinesDem Nov 2012 #33
pa28 Nov 2012 #34
DesMoinesDem Nov 2012 #35
Volaris Nov 2012 #5
zeemike Nov 2012 #24
veganlush Nov 2012 #6
msongs Nov 2012 #7
grahamhgreen Nov 2012 #8
ReRe Nov 2012 #9
goclark Nov 2012 #15
Ash_F Nov 2012 #10
patrice Nov 2012 #11
SoapBox Nov 2012 #12
LovingA2andMI Nov 2012 #13
rks306 Nov 2012 #14
MichaelSoE Nov 2012 #16
ejbr Nov 2012 #17
drynberg Nov 2012 #18
Rose Siding Nov 2012 #19
fasttense Nov 2012 #20
Dustlawyer Nov 2012 #21
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AldoLeopold Nov 2012 #23
maddiemom Nov 2012 #25
maddiemom Nov 2012 #26
Faryn Balyncd Nov 2012 #27
patrice Nov 2012 #29
MyOwnPeace Nov 2012 #30
MaynardGeeKrebs Nov 2012 #31
rock Nov 2012 #36
Doctor_J Nov 2012 #37
Faryn Balyncd Nov 2012 #38
MrMickeysMom Nov 2012 #39
Crowman1979 Nov 2012 #40
Overseas Nov 2012 #41
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yurbud Nov 2012 #43
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Response to boingboinh (Original post)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 12:39 AM

1. Tell 'em, Howard!

Love that guy!

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Response to boingboinh (Original post)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 12:49 AM

2. Do it!

I'm with him!

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Response to boingboinh (Original post)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 12:53 AM

3. You, along with Jon Huntsman as a Republican opponent, would be

the Dream Presidential Campaign. Let loose, it would be wonderful. It will never happen, of course. "Pretty to think so".

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Response to boingboinh (Original post)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 12:53 AM

4. The "fiscal cliff" balances the budget in two years.

I don't think Republicans understand this. For the past four years they have portrayed the deficit as an existential crisis threatening the very fabric of the republic and their children's future . . . and on and on . . .

If we all pay a little more in tax on January 1st and suck up a little of that "shared sacrifice" they are so fond of talking about we balance the budget right now instead of the two or three decades prescribed by the Ryan plan.

I'm totally fine with going off the the cliff.

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Response to pa28 (Reply #4)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 10:51 AM

28. Except that it doesn't balance the budget at all.

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Response to DesMoinesDem (Reply #28)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 12:49 PM

32. The Congressional budget office has some useful information on this issue.

This is the deficit scenario under the "fiscal cliff".

What Is the Budget Outlook for 2014 to 2022 Under Current Law (CBO’s Baseline)?
Deficits and Debt: Budget deficits are projected to continue to shrink for several years—to 2.4 percent of GDP in 2014 and 0.4 percent by 2018—before rising again to 0.9 percent by 2019.


http://www.cbo.gov/publication/43539


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Response to pa28 (Reply #32)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 01:05 PM

33. I know what the CBO says about the deficit

which is why I said it doesn't balance the budget at all. Not one year is the budget balanced, which that graph clearly shows.

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Response to DesMoinesDem (Reply #33)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 01:09 PM

34. OK then. NEARLY balanced.

You may go about your regularly scheduled trolling.

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Response to pa28 (Reply #34)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 01:21 PM

35. So now pointing out the facts is trolling?

You may go about your regularly scheduled lying, and I'll be right behind you to call you out.

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Response to boingboinh (Original post)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 12:54 AM

5. He REALLY needs to be doing something more important with his brain...

Let's put him back in charge of the DNC, at the very least. I hope he decides to run for President again. If anyone would have the balls to put Liz Warren on a ticket "ahead of schedule" it would be him, and I would back that decision wholeheartedly, win OR lose.

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Response to Volaris (Reply #5)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 10:43 AM

24. Absolutely.

I would like to see Dean as president...I think he would be a Harry Truman like president...and we could use that now.

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Response to boingboinh (Original post)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 01:13 AM

6. its such a no-brainer!

Of course we should do it! We should be calling our reps. And screaming it from the rooftops! Its perfect and we dont need ANY cooperation from the repugnants. Absolutely a no-brainer but i doubt it will happen.

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Response to boingboinh (Original post)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 01:14 AM

7. love me some howard dean. he would never be the appeaser in chief. come back, howie nt

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Response to boingboinh (Original post)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 02:02 AM

8. KR

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Response to boingboinh (Original post)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 02:03 AM

9. I so agree with Howard...

... IMHO, one thing the Repubs did teach us was that they can't be trusted. If we agree to let the New Year come without twilighting those Bush tax breaks, they will stab us all in the back. Democrats have the ball & the momentum now and we need to carry through and do what needs to be done. The Bush tax breaks weren't supposed to last FOREVER. "Job-makers" my you-know-what. Obama has nothing to loose now, so we need to do the right thing. He told the People he would when campaigning. Remember guys... he has to sign whatever they come up with. He holds the pen.

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Response to ReRe (Reply #9)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 05:28 AM

15. kick for Howard please

He explained it clearly...he should be doiñg
TV interviews all day and all night

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Response to boingboinh (Original post)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 02:10 AM

10. Wow

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Response to boingboinh (Original post)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 02:26 AM

11. Robert Reich is talking this way too, only he calls it a fiscal hill to climb, link:

http://robertreich.org/post/36001609487

Reich is saying stop making such a big deal out of the deficit, don't ignore it entirely, but it isn't the huge threat some people are pretending it is. (We owe most of that deficit to ourselves, anyway, don't we?). Reich says concentrate on government spending that creates jobs (which wouldn't be the military obviously).

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Response to boingboinh (Original post)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 02:30 AM

12. Our house agrees...

Let the cliff come!

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Response to boingboinh (Original post)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 02:51 AM

13. That man is my POLITICO HERO indeed!

Right on point as usual!

So glad that I have a picture with Gov. Dean taken at Netroots Nation this year!

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Response to boingboinh (Original post)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 03:18 AM

14. I agree

All the GOP are upset about the debt. Cuts spending and returns to Clinton rates. Maybe for two years they could pass a middle and a low end tax cut. Then taxes must return to original rates. Maybe even higher on the upper income levels.

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Response to boingboinh (Original post)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 07:35 AM

16. As a Deaniac I approve this message.

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Response to boingboinh (Original post)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 08:02 AM

17. k & r n/t

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Response to boingboinh (Original post)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 08:12 AM

18. AGREED, MEDICINE TIME, DR. DEAN

Seriously, Howard is spot on. Time to bite the friggin' bullet and do the correct (not RightWing) thing.

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Response to boingboinh (Original post)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 08:38 AM

19. Wow, he looks great!

Smart is sexy duh

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Response to boingboinh (Original post)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 08:51 AM

20. Deficits don't matter

The Darth Vader of the RepubliCON party knew it.

Even so, the fiscal cliff is no cliff. It's a small hill. Let it happen.

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Response to boingboinh (Original post)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 09:02 AM

21. I do not agree with cutting SS, Medicaid/Medicare one bit. The middle class has been stagnant

For at least 25 years while the rich have continuously done extremely well. My balance approach would be to cut the military industrial complex by 50%, increase taxes on the wealthy and cut loopholes, institute a trade tax on Wall Street, negotiate RX drug prices down for Medicaid/Medicare and put the savings in SS. I would also withhold for SS starting again at $250,000 on up. Too bad reality enters the picture and we cannot come close to doing these things due to rampant corruption of our politicians and our political process.

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Response to boingboinh (Original post)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 09:30 AM

22. The Doctor Is In.

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Response to boingboinh (Original post)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 10:04 AM

23. Thank the gods

Cut defense! Cut defense! It is so refreshing to hear someone saying this. I admire him so much. This is the only viable solution.

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Response to boingboinh (Original post)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 10:45 AM

25. Love 'ya Howard.

Just think if Dean were the most influential Democrat, and Jon Huntsman the most influential Republican. Would things be too sane or what?

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Response to maddiemom (Reply #25)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 10:47 AM

26. Sorry to repeat myself. Got carried away.

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Response to boingboinh (Original post)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 10:49 AM

27. Right on!

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Response to boingboinh (Original post)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 11:27 AM

29. Deanocrat, here. :-)))))))))))))))

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Response to boingboinh (Original post)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 12:28 PM

30. Yep!



This guy is SO good - we need more Dean!!!!

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Response to boingboinh (Original post)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 12:37 PM

31. Howard Dean gets it ....

I have the feeling that there's alot more politicians out there who "get it" but won't speak out.

It's not that hard to explain. Bernie Sanders explains it in terms even a tea bagger can understand.

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Response to boingboinh (Original post)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 01:56 PM

36. When a guy tells me it's gonna hurt

I figure he's someone I can trust.

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Response to boingboinh (Original post)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 03:58 PM

37. Howard and Krugman and a number of real Dems agree

prediction: The president will give in to Boner's threats instead of heeding the party faithful

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Response to boingboinh (Original post)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 10:48 PM

38. a true statesman.

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Response to boingboinh (Original post)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 11:28 PM

39. Very happy to see this...

... I can once again get my Deaniac "ON"

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Response to boingboinh (Original post)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 11:02 AM

40. Any CEO/corporation who complains that the fiscal cliff will destroy the economy...

...is actually committing economic extortion up the 99%. In actuality, it won't really affect them. The 1% just want to scare people into giving them more money.

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Response to boingboinh (Original post)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 01:07 PM

41. K&R! Let's do it. Then eliminate the filibuster on Day One and introduce our Middle Class Tax Cut

bill and then a Tiny Transaction Tax on Wall Street trades.

Too Big To Fail means Too Big Not To Contribute.

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Response to boingboinh (Original post)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 02:07 PM

42. K&R nt

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Response to boingboinh (Original post)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 02:49 PM

43. more Howard, please. If he had been kept at the DNC, what are the chances the GOP would still

hold the House?

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Response to boingboinh (Original post)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 04:40 PM

44. You know what I was saying just the other day?

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"You just don't see enough of Howard Dean these days." I think Dean should have gotten together with Biden when he was making his campaigning rounds. That would have been a hoot.

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Response to boingboinh (Original post)

Fri Nov 23, 2012, 12:17 AM

45. whole-heartedly agree.

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