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Tue Nov 20, 2012, 12:19 PM

Pic Of The Moment: QUESTION: How Old Is The Earth?



Rubio: Maybe Earth was created in 7 days because 'I'm not a scientist, man'

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Reply Pic Of The Moment: QUESTION: How Old Is The Earth? (Original post)
EarlG Nov 2012 OP
ann--- Nov 2012 #1
AlbertCat Nov 2012 #15
teknomanzer Nov 2012 #57
AlbertCat Nov 2012 #61
AldoLeopold Nov 2012 #2
blaze Nov 2012 #3
Auggie Nov 2012 #4
Dont call me Shirley Nov 2012 #39
Auggie Nov 2012 #45
Kali Nov 2012 #5
valerief Nov 2012 #10
Hydra Nov 2012 #47
SutaUvaca Nov 2012 #6
Brooklyn Dame Nov 2012 #7
JohnnyRingo Nov 2012 #8
AlbertCat Nov 2012 #17
Scuba Nov 2012 #9
dropboss11 Nov 2012 #11
Atypical Liberal Nov 2012 #23
PatrynXX Nov 2012 #59
Warren Stupidity Nov 2012 #66
Atypical Liberal Nov 2012 #67
Initech Nov 2012 #12
RevStPatrick Nov 2012 #13
Dash87 Nov 2012 #14
RevStPatrick Nov 2012 #16
AlbertCat Nov 2012 #18
Jumping John Nov 2012 #19
Fantastic Anarchist Nov 2012 #50
Coyotl Nov 2012 #20
Eddie Haskell Nov 2012 #21
dumbledork Nov 2012 #31
Eddie Haskell Nov 2012 #41
Deep13 Nov 2012 #43
harun Nov 2012 #42
AlbertCat Nov 2012 #52
PatrynXX Nov 2012 #60
harun Nov 2012 #68
Warren Stupidity Nov 2012 #64
HughBeaumont Nov 2012 #22
grantcart Nov 2012 #24
ceeRoy Nov 2012 #25
Madmiddle Nov 2012 #26
Wednesdays Nov 2012 #53
patrice Nov 2012 #27
Kalidurga Nov 2012 #28
MNBrewer Nov 2012 #29
randr Nov 2012 #30
silhouete2 Nov 2012 #32
TahitiNut Nov 2012 #33
AlbertCat Nov 2012 #54
MADem Nov 2012 #34
toby jo Nov 2012 #35
mikeysnot Nov 2012 #36
progressoid Nov 2012 #49
GraniteDem Nov 2012 #37
47of74 Nov 2012 #38
Deep13 Nov 2012 #40
RKP5637 Nov 2012 #44
Deep13 Nov 2012 #46
sarcasmo Nov 2012 #48
Initech Nov 2012 #51
MrMickeysMom Nov 2012 #55
speedoo Nov 2012 #56
PatrynXX Nov 2012 #58
Atman Nov 2012 #62
JonathanBrowne Nov 2012 #63
pipoman Nov 2012 #65

Response to EarlG (Original post)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 12:25 PM

1. Of course, parents can

and DO teach children what their faith says about creation - however, SCHOOLS should not teach fantasy - only factual science.

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Response to ann--- (Reply #1)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 01:23 PM

15. SCHOOLS should not teach fantasy - only factual science.

Schools can teach fantasy.... in Lit class, and comparative religions class. But in science class, they do indeed need to stick with science.

This notion that science is just so much guessing has got to stop. All anyone has to do is look around to see how phenomenally successful science has been.


Besides, I dunno why all these religious science nay-sayers are worried about their children learning evolution. THEY were taught it in school, and it didn't stick with them! Why do they think their kids are gonna remember anything they learned for the test?

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Response to AlbertCat (Reply #15)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 09:42 PM

57. Doubting evolution and accepting modern technology is a form of cognitive dissonance...

The science used by engineers to create the technology we use today from computers to medicine is same science behind evolution and cosmology. Yet they have no doubts about whether or not the TV or cell phone is going to work when they use them. Surely they don't believe that little angels are inside these things making them work. If they doubt one then they should doubt the other. They should join the Amish and abandon this technological world, and leave the rest of us to live in world of reason.

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Response to teknomanzer (Reply #57)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 11:39 PM

61. is same science behind evolution and cosmology.

Egg-zakly.

These poo-pooers of science TRUST THEIR LIVES to that same science. Not just when they take pills or go to the doctor, but when they use the toaster or cut on the electric lights.... or drive in a car...



Ingrates!

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Response to EarlG (Original post)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 12:25 PM

2. This is what slays me

Nobody is telling parents what to teach their children at home. He's double talking in this - codespeak for "teach it in schools." He's also hinting that both science and history teaches that the earth was created in 7 days. He just won't come out and say it straight up.

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Response to EarlG (Original post)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 12:31 PM

3. Science?

wtf

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Response to EarlG (Original post)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 12:34 PM

4. 4.5 billion is also the number of Republican lies we'll hear between now and election day 2016

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Response to Auggie (Reply #4)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 04:13 PM

39. Closer to 4.5 trillion, methinks

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Response to Dont call me Shirley (Reply #39)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 05:10 PM

45. Gee, it could top a brazillion!

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Response to EarlG (Original post)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 12:34 PM

5. too scary to actually be funny

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Response to Kali (Reply #5)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 12:51 PM

10. +1

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Response to Kali (Reply #5)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 06:20 PM

47. IKR?

He's almost saying that facts and evidence are unimportant- that we should take on as much "doubt" as possible about physical reality while allowing people to float on any cloud they want and call it "truth."

The devaluing of knowledge never leads us to good places.

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Response to EarlG (Original post)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 12:39 PM

6. In other words: "I'm a creationist." nt

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Response to EarlG (Original post)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 12:45 PM

7. Flat-earthers of the world...

Unite!

*Good grief...* And they expect to be taken seriously by anyone other than Faux News watchers and low-information voters?

http://borderlessnewsandviews.com

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Response to EarlG (Original post)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 12:49 PM

8. Waffles for breakfast again?

Rubio obviously doesn't want to upset his base while at the same time being careful not to give the impression he dropped out of school in the 6th grade.

Even Ihop will let you substitute links for patties, but you can't have both..


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Response to JohnnyRingo (Reply #8)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 01:26 PM

17. Bingo!

He's so mushy, I'm surprised his suit stays on him!

Can you say "pandering"?....without pandering?

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Response to EarlG (Original post)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 12:51 PM

9. To paraphrase: "about 4.5 billion years, but if I say that I'll alienate 40% of the base."

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Response to dropboss11 (Reply #11)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 01:31 PM

23. Oh give me a break.

 

No one knows how old the earth is. No one was there when it was created. All Science can do is an estimated guess. And with the methods of dating in dispute and attacked for inaccuracy, that estimated guess is quite suspect.

I can't believe I'm taking the time to respond to this.

Look. All of science is about making estimated guesses. These "guesses" are then validated or refuted by gathering evidence. The more evidence you get, the more confidence you have in your guess, and the more precise your guess becomes.

People have been studying this subject scientifically for hundreds of years.

Right now, science is confident in the age of the Earth to within one percent, or plus or minus half a billion years.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_the_Earth

The Earth is thus at least four billion years old.

But even if they were off by a factor of 4, the Earth would still be over a billion years old!

No matter how you want to twist and squirm, you are never, ever, ever going to square the age of the Earth with the "Young Earth Creationism":

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Young_Earth_creationism

So face it, dropboss11, the Earth is probably about 4.5 billion years old.



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Response to Atypical Liberal (Reply #23)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 10:56 PM

59. think I'm in the wrong board

definately the anti religion area if that comment was offensive. no this entire thread is rude and offensive We'll lose if we go this route.

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Response to PatrynXX (Reply #59)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 07:47 AM

66. So you think we should pander to fundamentalist idiocy?

There are many religions and religious people who do not reject rationalism or science and do not embrace fundamentalist idiocy. There is no reason at all for us to pander to the religious right and its anti-science irrationalism.

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Response to PatrynXX (Reply #59)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 08:42 AM

67. You never lose with truth.

 

I'm not going to tolerate magical thinking like that displayed by Young Earth Creationists who believe the world is 6000 years old.

I don't care if that is considered "rude and offensive". I find it rude and offensive that we have to devote so much effort advancing humanity in the face of such anti-science people.

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Response to EarlG (Original post)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 01:00 PM

12. And yet these morons get to control the House.

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Response to EarlG (Original post)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 01:01 PM

13. What a frikkin' weenie, man!

 

And this guy is like, supposedly, one of the best they've got?

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Response to EarlG (Original post)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 01:02 PM

14. Crumby politically correct politician answer

You know he believes that the earth was created in 7 days, and is 6000 years old, but he knows that answer would be universally panned. Therefore, he goes with the wishy-washy, "It might have been created in 7 days. I'm not a scientist!"

Yeah right. The Repubs love pandering to their ignorant base.

I wonder what his explanation is for layers of rocks found in places like the Grand Canyon, or dinosaur fossils?

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Response to Dash87 (Reply #14)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 01:24 PM

16. Actually, I would guess that he knows full well...

 

...that the Earth is about 4.5 billion years old, and totally believes it, but doesn't want to alienate his wing-nut supporters.

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Response to EarlG (Original post)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 01:28 PM

18. Hidden post .... number 11...

"This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate. (See Community Standards.)"

You guys forgot..."just plain wrong"

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Response to EarlG (Original post)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 01:29 PM

19. Christians base this on the Bible and a Bishop named

 

Ussher. He based it on when events happened in the bible and came up with the exact date that the G-d created the Earth.

Here is more about that:

http://law2.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/scopes/ussher.html

I just posted this because I was wondering where the 6000 year figure originated and so I looked it up on the net.

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Response to Jumping John (Reply #19)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 06:55 PM

50. That link was fascinating. Thanks.

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Response to EarlG (Original post)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 01:30 PM

20. Just one of the great mysteries

right up there with why people elected you.

Oh wait, because they are told life is a mystery by non-scientists? We scientists can fix that!

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Response to EarlG (Original post)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 01:30 PM

21. There is no correct answer.

Just a best approximation.

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Response to Eddie Haskell (Reply #21)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 02:22 PM

31. Just as there is no "correct" answer to "What is the population of the U.S.?"

 

That's a 'guess' too...

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Response to dumbledork (Reply #31)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 04:27 PM

41. Yes, but they are educated guesses; not based on some religious belief system.

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Response to dumbledork (Reply #31)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 04:30 PM

43. could be a little over or under 300 million...

Claiming the population is only 125 persons is, however, dead wrong. Saying the USA used to be a colony of Nepal and that we gained independence last week is also wrong.

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Response to Eddie Haskell (Reply #21)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 04:30 PM

42. Agree

One can say "According to our best estimates based on the evidence aquired we can approximate the age to be X".

I think Rubio was just saying both sides should show some humility and respect towards each other. Nothing wrong with that.

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Response to harun (Reply #42)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 08:46 PM

52. both sides should show some humility and respect towards each other.

Except one side is a complete guess.... and one has mountains of evidence to back it up.

One is wrong, and one is so close to correct it's not worth even considering the other.

There is no equivalency here.

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Response to AlbertCat (Reply #52)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 10:58 PM

60. don't particularly find religious intolerance a good thing

This site run my China? I know it isn't but to have any Christian comment like one above as rude which actually the picture above is rude is ironic. and one of the problems with the jury system which I'll have no part of. there's no democracy in it.

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Response to AlbertCat (Reply #52)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 09:16 AM

68. Simply put your self in the position of a deity trying to explain

to people 2k years ago how the Universe was made.

Would you drop the Hubble Constant on them? How about General Relativity or the Standard Model of Quantum Mechanics?

If you are the Creator of all things you need to communicate with language your audience will understand. You need to get accross the point that you as an Omnipotent Absolute being can create, and are the creator of all things.

How would you improve upon the message to your creation?

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Response to harun (Reply #42)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 07:42 AM

64. There is no both sides.

The earth was not created by a deity a few thousand years ago in 7 days or 7 eras. The earth is approximately 4.5 billion years old. There is no credible other side to that fact.

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Response to EarlG (Original post)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 01:31 PM

22. Yeah, THAT'LL get you laughed out of debates . . . .

. . . . in any place EXCEPT UHmericUH.

Unbelievable. UNbelievable.

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Response to EarlG (Original post)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 01:37 PM

24. not qualified to be my cable man.

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Response to EarlG (Original post)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 01:40 PM

25. RepubliCON Exceptionalism!!

 

...Freaking Moron!

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Response to EarlG (Original post)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 01:41 PM

26. Rubio and his republican base

pander to their religious base to the point of madness. Most fifth graders can tell anyone what scientists say. Reasoning from the right is so stupid it's gringe worthy at best. They will never win another election again.

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Response to Madmiddle (Reply #26)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 08:54 PM

53. Oh, yeah?

Repugs never win an election again?

Come on over to Oklahoma and see the political climate here!
(Not that I'm happy about it, mind you.)

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Response to EarlG (Original post)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 01:42 PM

27. If you don't understand science, Marco, why have you judged against science? Bigot much? nt

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Response to EarlG (Original post)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 01:54 PM

28. It's like, turtles all the way down, man.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turtles_all_the_way_down

We can't see what is supporting the earth or when it was created. So, it might as well be a tiger on and elephant that is standing on a turtle. Or turtles to infinity. Or maybe there never were any turtles. Anyway, it's a theory so we should teach it in school, even though there is no evidence that it's even connected to a religion. But, that's ok cause we aren't supposed to teach religion in school anyway. Of course, this leaves out the alien theory of the origins of life. Which I think could be true. It's very possible that the constant bombardment of earth by comets created the chemical soup that created life. Or aliens sent the seeds of life, whatever, we should teach that in school too. And don't forget that it was rabbits carrying oester eggs that started life on earth, even if we don't believe it we should teach it, cause it's like a theory man.

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Response to EarlG (Original post)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 01:58 PM

29. This isn't exactly a GOTCHA question!

It's akin to "what is the molecular weight of carbon"?

It's not even CLOSE to "when does a fertilized egg become a person", or "please define non-forcible rape."

And this A) willfully ignorant, B) illiterate man is on a science committee.

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Response to EarlG (Original post)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 02:17 PM

30. Shouldn't someone turn him on to at least google?

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Response to EarlG (Original post)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 02:27 PM

32. Theologians are NOT scientists

I could care less what the theologians think---it's what the science PROVES that matters. But to Bible thumpers, it matters not. They are so taken with the "Word of God" (Which I will postulate is NOT the word of God they are actually following, but the Word of Paul of Taursus, which makes it irrelevant but I digress) that they must change the reality to fit their beliefs. Problem is, that children are being taught this drivel and are believing it as fact. We might as well go back to throwing rocks at each other as science obviously means nothing to these people. Unbelievable!

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Response to EarlG (Original post)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 02:36 PM

33. Since G-d 'created TIME itself, this instant (and all instants) is 'created' right NOW.

I find this infantile 'argument' to be idiotic on BOTH a scientific and theological basis. No "G-d" that I could believe in would age or be otherwise constrained by time ... since time itself is PART of "Creation." The astounding ARROGANCE of folks who claim to have "faith" and, at the same time, insist on G-d being subordinate to their own ignorant and cartoonish viewpoints is beyond any bound imaginable.

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Response to TahitiNut (Reply #33)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 08:54 PM

54. G-d

If you can't even type out g-o-d....

why should I or anyone care what you think of science?

How superstitious!

Now I will go walk the d-g.

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Response to EarlG (Original post)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 02:40 PM

34. Not qualified to be a Senator, either... man! nt

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Response to EarlG (Original post)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 02:53 PM

35. So says the man on science, while utilizing a mic that is satellite savy

before getting into an automobile with 70 years of engineering behind it, on his way to a home with computers, microwaves, hot water tanks, circuit boxes, tvs', cable networking in, medicine in his cabinet engineered by scientists, outfitted with the latest in warmth/cooling technology, computer games for the kiddies, refrigeration...

All while running for office in a country with a war machine that kills people electronically via satellite, sends space modules into outer space, has telescopes that see in terms of light-years, and can follow our every keystroke if they don't like us.

Talk about your cognitive dissonance.

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Response to EarlG (Original post)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 03:01 PM

36. The future of the GOP!

they are truly the party of stupid.

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Response to mikeysnot (Reply #36)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 06:25 PM

49. Yup. That there is presidential material daggumit.

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Response to EarlG (Original post)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 03:12 PM

37. You say Marco, I say Polo !

Marco Polo!

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Response to EarlG (Original post)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 03:51 PM

38. To quote Joe Scarborough






Oh....SWEET JESUS!

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Response to EarlG (Original post)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 04:27 PM

40. I'm not so sure.

The Earth could be as old as 4.6 billion years or as young as 4.4 billion years. It really depends when you think the cooling blob of molten material stopped being a blob and started being the Earth. At what point was there enough rocky material from meteor strikes to go from being a proto-planet to being a planet?

I'm being a smart-ass, of course. The real point is that no reasonable person can possibly conclude that it was 6 or 10 thousand years old or that it was created as-is in six (not 7, you even got that wrong) days. Seven actual eras? What does that even mean? What he really means to say is, "I'm too stupid to be a Senator, let alone President. Anyway, Miss America is already our Queen and--not being a scientist--I would not want to usurp her royal authority."

There are no theories on how the universe was created, because no one capable of creating such a theory accepts that an outside divinity created it. How it formed or otherwise came to be, OTOH, yeah, there are a number of theories. They all involve some version of a big bang followed by rapid expansion.

I don't know what keeps us stuck to the ground. I'm not a scientist. I could be "gravity" or it could be foot glue.

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Response to EarlG (Original post)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 05:09 PM

44. Always amazing how STUPID floats on water! n/t

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Response to EarlG (Original post)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 05:50 PM

46. Gravity and Intelligent Falling are both just theories. nt

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Response to EarlG (Original post)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 06:20 PM

48. I'M no scientist, man, I just pander the religious right.

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Response to EarlG (Original post)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 07:55 PM

51. Good lord - he sounds like Brick Tamland from "Anchorman"!

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Response to EarlG (Original post)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 09:17 PM

55. Geez, oh man, Marco!

Just admit your sniveling spineless, teabag alliance has made your IQ drop to your shoe size, you skeezer...

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Response to EarlG (Original post)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 09:41 PM

56. Stupid little twit.

He will never be a serious presidential contender.

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Response to EarlG (Original post)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 10:53 PM

58. and here goes the hate from the left :(

Hope I'm not on the Atheist forum this time. Sickens me to see these .. So much for freedom of religion. Why not burn the constitution while yall are are it. Tolerate other peoples religion. Instead of treating it as a joke. There are left wing Christians. we don't need to prove the Republicans right It's extremely hard to offend me. But this takes the cake. Think I'll wipe my ass with that green correct / but religiously wrong answer. Not that Rubio knew wtf he was talking about ....

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Response to EarlG (Original post)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 12:19 AM

62. Hang another ornament on the Loon Tree.

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Response to EarlG (Original post)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 06:50 AM

63. I was watching them talk about this on morning joe

It kind of pisses me off that people are being so flippant about this.

I'm not a Christian, but let's be honest....

No ONE knows the exact age of the universe. There could be mutability in radioactive dating, and the earth was probably molten as it formed.

There could be quite a bit of variance.

Of course, this doesn't mean its 6000 years old haha.

He did say something about "7 actual eras" which would imply hes open to the idea of it describing eras.

Lol but in general people should chill about questions like this...

No one is 100% certain of anything involving how the universe got here, how the earth got here, how old it all is etc.

And if anyone says they are certain, they are making a religion out of a particular theory, and they are way off base.

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Response to EarlG (Original post)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 07:43 AM

65. The guy is silly

but I am also leery of believing "science", so in that I sort of agree with, "I'm not sure we'll ever be able to answer that. It's one of the great mysteries.". Over the last 10 decades "science" has answered this question 'definitively' hundreds of times..every time with a different answer..

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