| Author | Time | Post | |
| Galraedia | Nov 2012 | OP | |
| bonniebgood | Nov 2012 | #1 | |
| merrily | Nov 2012 | #5 | |
| merrily | Nov 2012 | #11 | |
| AnotherMcIntosh | Nov 2012 | #2 | |
| MrSlayer | Nov 2012 | #3 | |
| freshwest | Nov 2012 | #4 | |
| merrily | Nov 2012 | #6 | |
| freshwest | Nov 2012 | #9 | |
| merrily | Nov 2012 | #10 | |
| freshwest | Nov 2012 | #16 | |
| merrily | Nov 2012 | #13 | |
| Fridays Child | Nov 2012 | #7 | |
| blkmusclmachine | Nov 2012 | #8 | |
| merrily | Nov 2012 | #12 | |
| dotymed | Nov 2012 | #14 | |
| Dustlawyer | Nov 2012 | #15 |
Response to Galraedia (Original post)
Mon Nov 19, 2012, 11:41 PM
bonniebgood (215 posts)
1. ITs the democrats fault they
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kept all bush appointees to the postal board and appointed more republican to the board that runs the post office. If john mccain can hold a press conference daily about susan rice and talk show on weeksends why cant the dem do the same about the post office?
it the post office is in the constitution on what grounds can the repukes just kill it with a partisan vote? |
Response to bonniebgood (Reply #1)
Tue Nov 20, 2012, 02:42 AM
merrily (964 posts)
5. Not merely re-appointing Bush appointees and Republicans, but Taub and Hammond
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Before his appointment to the Army, Mr. Taub served as Chief of Staff to U.S. Representative John M. McHugh for the preceding decade. As Chief of Staff, he oversaw the day-to-day operations of Representative McHugh’s staff and offices in Washington, D.C. and Northern New York State. In a variety of leadership roles on the U.S. House Oversight & Government Reform Committee for 12 years, Mr. Taub also worked closely with Congressman McHugh on matters relating to the nation’s postal and delivery sector. He crafted Representative McHugh’s legislation for modernizing America’s postal laws for the first time since 1970, culminating in passage of the Postal Accountability and Enhancement Act in 2006. Mr. Taub also helped Representative McHugh conduct hearings and investigations into postal operations that ultimately led to the enactment of a dozen other postal laws.
http://www.prc.gov/prc-pages/about/commissioners/bio.aspx?subsectionid=66 You can bet none of those laws was aimed at keeping the U.S. Post Office healthy and unprivatized. McHugh was a sponsor of the infamous 2003 bill that required the Post Office to fund its pensions 75 years in advance. 4. H.R.735 : Postal Civil Service Retirement System Funding Reform Act of 2003 http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/?&Db=d108&querybd=@FIELD%28FLD003+@4%28%28@1%28Rep+McHugh++John+M.%29%29+00773%29%29 Per the quoted paragraph about Taub at the beginning of this post, Postal Commission Chief Taub was working for McHugh then as well. As for Hammond: http://www.savethepostoffice.com/what-were-you-thinking-mr-president-obama-nominates-hammond-prc The Postal Commission does a variety of things, including approving or denying requests for increases in postal rates. Lately, it has turned down a number of requests for increases, making it even harder for the U.S.P.S. to meet its obligations under the postal laws Taub/McHugh wrote. The 2003 law is as far back as I looked. Even at that, though, blaming only one party for this requires ignoring a lot of facts. |
Response to bonniebgood (Reply #1)
Tue Nov 20, 2012, 03:23 AM
merrily (964 posts)
11. I forgot to mention people like Peter Orszag.
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Orszag is a plutocrat (Phillips Exeter, Princeton, etc.) who was Special Assistant to the President for Economic Policy (1997–1998), and as Senior Economist and Senior Adviser on the Council of Economic Advisers (1995–1996) during the Clinton administration.
His economics are pro-Wall Street. Orszag was also director of the Congressional Budget Office from January 2007 to November 2008. (Bush). On November 25, 2008, President-elect Barack Obama announced that Orszag would be his nominee for director of the Office of Management and Budget, the arm of the White House responsible for crafting the federal budget and overseeing the effectiveness of federal programs. Orszag resigned in 2010. He is now Vice Chair of Global Banking at Citigroup and writes a weekly column for Bloomgerg. Also a Bildergurger. All of the above info and the quote are from Orszag's wiki http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_R._Orszag In July 2012, he wrote an article entitled "Best Best Fix for Postal Service Is to Take It Private." http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-07-24/best-fix-for-postal-service-is-to-take-it-private.html Someone posted about his privatization article at You Tube. The You Tube post in the OP of this thread is supposedly a response to the post about Orszag. However, as my prior post says (and I hope, also shows), privatization of the post office has not been a one-party effort. Certainly, Obama's appointments to the Postal Commission give no indication that it is a one-party effort. It's not your father's Democratic Party, Margaret. ![]() |
Response to Galraedia (Original post)
Tue Nov 20, 2012, 12:38 AM
AnotherMcIntosh (7,488 posts)
2. Did the Republicans do this all by themselves?
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It's amazing the power that they have?
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Response to Galraedia (Original post)
Tue Nov 20, 2012, 12:46 AM
MrSlayer (21,312 posts)
3. With Democratic help.
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How many Democrats voted for the bill? How many co-sponsored? And why, when we had control of Congress, did no Democrat attempt to change or repeal the law?
We had the numbers but did nothing. |
Response to Galraedia (Original post)
Tue Nov 20, 2012, 02:02 AM
freshwest (31,294 posts)
4. Simply following the links shows it's all by the GOP, and action can be taken now:
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...But it was two events: one crafted during the Bush years and another supervised by House Oversight Committee Chairman Darrell Issa, that would cripple this once great institution.
Perhaps it was its booming history that first drew Congress' attention to the Postal Service in 2006 when it passed the Postal Accountability Enhancement Act (PAEA), which mandated that the Postal Service would have to fully fund retiree health benefits for future retirees. That's right. Congress was demanding universal health care coverage. It was an impossible order, and strangely, a task unshared by any other government service, agency, corporation or organization within the United States. The act meant that every September 30th, the USPS had to cough up $5.5 billion to the Treasury for the pre-funding of future retirees' health benefits, meaning the Postal Service pays for employees 75 years into the future. The USPS is funding the retirement packages of people who haven't even been born yet... People who want to take action to save the USPS can support this bill by a Democrat by calling representatives, and not giving up: H.R. 1351, the United States Postal Service Pension Obligation Recalculation and Restoration Act of 2011, is a piece of legislation sponsored by Massachusetts Congressman Stephen Lynch. The act calls for the Office of Personal Management to do the definitive audit, come up with the actual figure of overpayment and then apply that to the ridiculous system of prepayment funding expenses. The Postal Service would then have that $5.5 billion a year to use for running its services and improving mail delivery. http://truth-out.org/news/item/3190-postal-workers-the-last-union?tmpl=component&print=1 |
Response to freshwest (Reply #4)
Tue Nov 20, 2012, 02:59 AM
merrily (964 posts)
6. I disagree that it is all by the GOP.
Response to merrily (Reply #6)
Tue Nov 20, 2012, 03:12 AM
freshwest (31,294 posts)
9. Show the bill by a Republican to save the USPS.
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And do you care enought to call your representative to change the law?
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Response to freshwest (Reply #9)
Tue Nov 20, 2012, 03:19 AM
merrily (964 posts)
10. Never said that the Republicans filed a bill to save the USPS.
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And why are you trying to make this about me?
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Response to merrily (Reply #10)
Tue Nov 20, 2012, 11:48 AM
freshwest (31,294 posts)
16. I gave you a solution and asked for support for it.
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Anything I write on this board is not about you, and never will be.
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Response to freshwest (Reply #4)
Tue Nov 20, 2012, 04:24 AM
merrily (964 posts)
13. Thank you for this information. More info about the bill:
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Rep. Lynch, the only Blue Dog in the Massachusetts delegation, has been in Congress since October, 2001.
As you probably know, the onerous postal pension bill was enacted in 2003. Throughout his entire career in the U.S. House, Lynch has sat on the Oversight and Government Reform Committee, formerly called the Government Reform Committee. He also chaired the Subcommittee on Federal Workforce, Post Office, and the District of Columbia from 2009 to 2010. On this subcommittee he has dealt with federal employee recruitment, salary, and benefits. Democrats controlled the house from January 2006 through January 2007 to January 2011, four years. It's too bad that Rep. Lynch did not get to file this relatively short bill until two to three months after Republicans took control of the house, after the likelihood of passage decreased significantly. It does have some bipartisan support, though, and hopefully that will increase since Republicans at least seem as though they are waking up. The bill, which is reproduced below in its entirety is apparently still in Committee. It changes the method of calculation for the pensions. Still, the pension issue is very important for the Post Office and the unions back it. I hope it passes, but I wish it were more sweeping and, of course, wish it had been filed at least a few months sooner. April 4, 2011 http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c112:H.R.1351: |
Response to Galraedia (Original post)
Tue Nov 20, 2012, 03:04 AM
Fridays Child (23,514 posts)
7. k/r
Response to Galraedia (Original post)
Tue Nov 20, 2012, 03:08 AM
blkmusclmachine (2,843 posts)
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Response to Galraedia (Original post)
Tue Nov 20, 2012, 03:50 AM
merrily (964 posts)
12. The Post Office is one of a number of subjects on which both major Parties seem to agree.
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Not as to every detail and particular, of course, but both seem to want to burden the Post Office and head toward privatization.
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Response to Galraedia (Original post)
Tue Nov 20, 2012, 06:14 AM
dotymed (4,388 posts)
14. Oh yeah, lots of money to be made without the USPS as a competitor for UPS et al.
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The elites (and want to be's) on capitol hill voted to destroy the post office in 2006 and keep trying.
This is a vital service for all of us non-elites. Even though "they" have made the prices much higher than they need to be, it is still cheaper than the for-profits, who do not fund (or probably have) retirements for their employees (75 years!!). Congress- cut the bullshit, let the USPS operate like other federal services. Fuck those who were (are) pissed because the USPS was not screwing Americans for profit. Now they cannot compete because of the onerous rule imposed on them and no other business. We are tired of Robber Barons and profit made to keep the wealthy comfortable. Release our USPS to serve us at the cheap prices that they can, without the profiteering motive...NOW! |
Response to Galraedia (Original post)
Tue Nov 20, 2012, 10:19 AM
Dustlawyer (1,300 posts)
15. I have been aware of this for some time. Knowing this, it was still a shock when my letter carrier
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handed me my mail one day and Obama was on the cover of Time magazine. He made some disparaging comment about Obama to the extent I could tell he was a right wing Koolaid drinker. Here is a member of a union which is under siege and the Repugs are trying to take his job, and he supports them! This is the way they have butted unions. Not all at once, but trapping them in the Fox News bubble. I live in ground zero for the refinery industry. Many of the plants here are still union but many of the members are like this postman. I don't think that they even know or care what their union predessors had to go through to give them the sweetheart deal they have (40 hour work week, benefits, safety...). Many of these guys make over 6 figures and are loading the gun to shoot themselves in the foot. All of the unions in the country need to put on a push to bring the jobs back and support fledgling attempts to unionize Walmart! Walmart needs to start carrying some American made goods. They used to be proud to sell only made in America products, now it is all Chinese.
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