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Mon Nov 19, 2012, 05:19 PM

Did Anonymous stop Karl Rove from Stealing Ohio again?

This is letter from Wonkette listed here: http://wonkette.com/489966/anonymous-claims-it-stopped-karl-rove-from-hacking-the-election-by-hacking-orca-we-think#idc-cover



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Reply Did Anonymous stop Karl Rove from Stealing Ohio again? (Original post)
geefloyd46 Nov 2012 OP
SamKnause Nov 2012 #1
Coyotl Nov 2012 #2
Coyotl Nov 2012 #3
wxgeek7 Nov 2012 #4
ginnyinWI Nov 2012 #11
longship Nov 2012 #5
LineLineReply +
struggle4progress Nov 2012 #9
freshwest Nov 2012 #17
john-davidnj5 Nov 2012 #20
hrmjustin Nov 2012 #22
Botany Nov 2012 #6
melody Nov 2012 #7
jeff47 Nov 2012 #8
RoccoR5955 Nov 2012 #13
jeff47 Nov 2012 #15
MannyGoldstein Nov 2012 #16
jeff47 Nov 2012 #18
RoccoR5955 Nov 2012 #19
jeff47 Nov 2012 #21
RoccoR5955 Nov 2012 #23
jeff47 Nov 2012 #24
RoccoR5955 Nov 2012 #29
jeff47 Nov 2012 #31
RoccoR5955 Nov 2012 #28
jeff47 Nov 2012 #30
Jack Rabbit Nov 2012 #10
ginnyinWI Nov 2012 #12
Jack Rabbit Nov 2012 #14
deluser Nov 2012 #25
hrmjustin Nov 2012 #27
02potato Nov 2012 #26

Response to geefloyd46 (Original post)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 05:33 PM

1. Ham

'Ham with glasses' is a traitor !

He should be serving a life sentence !!!!!

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Response to geefloyd46 (Original post)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 05:35 PM

2. Jesus Fucking Christ = Restoring Reason to Election Integrity Madness

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Response to geefloyd46 (Original post)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 05:41 PM

3. discussed here:

Thom Hartmann jumps on "Anon. foils Rove's e-Vote rigging in OH"
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251250674

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Response to geefloyd46 (Original post)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 06:09 PM

4. A dumbfounded Karl Rove




F*** You Karl!!

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Response to wxgeek7 (Reply #4)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 09:11 PM

11. does he always stammer like that?

He does seem rattled. But it could be just hubris--they were all so confident that Obama just couldn't get the vote out like he did in '08. Or he was expecting that his fix would work.

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Response to geefloyd46 (Original post)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 07:44 PM

5. Bullshista!

Some idiot posts a video online claiming... post hoc... that they protected the world from a Romney presidency.

On 6 November I wished a unicorn who farts rainbows into my garden. It gave me one wish. I wished for an Obama win and additional seats in both the House and the Senate for the Democratic party.

You don't believe it? Well then prove me wrong!!!! I dare you!!!

It's rubbish. Thom Hartman has fallen down the rabbit hole.

Screw this Bullshista. And screw Thom Hartman. No wonder he can only get a forum on RT, conspiracy central.

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Response to longship (Reply #5)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 08:53 PM

9. +

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Response to struggle4progress (Reply #9)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 03:24 AM

17. +1

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Response to longship (Reply #5)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 08:04 PM

20. +2

 

You speak the truth

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Response to john-davidnj5 (Reply #20)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 10:16 PM

22. Welcome to DU!

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Response to geefloyd46 (Original post)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 07:44 PM

6. In a word .... No!

i did election protection work in Ohio.

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Response to geefloyd46 (Original post)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 07:59 PM

7. The Democratic voters of Ohio kept Romney from winning Ohio n/t

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Response to geefloyd46 (Original post)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 08:35 PM

8. If you wish to entertain your IT friends, show them that letter.

It makes utterly no sense. It's an incoherent bundling of buzzwords.

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Response to jeff47 (Reply #8)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 10:13 PM

13. I am an IT person, and it makes COMPLETE sense! n/t

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Response to RoccoR5955 (Reply #13)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 10:54 PM

15. Uh-huh. Then explain the "digital tunnels" part.

Because that is utterly wrong. Closest thing that would make sense would be a VPN. Which actual hackers would call a VPN. But the rest of their description does not match a VPN.

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Response to jeff47 (Reply #15)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 01:52 AM

16. SSH?

Anonymous tends to use flowery language, so tunnels is not unreasonable a fit.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #16)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 10:00 AM

18. They claim "false tunnels". Explain a false SSH connection. (nt)

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Response to jeff47 (Reply #18)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 08:00 PM

19. False tunnels = VPNs SSH that are very easy to break into.

or have nothing on the other side.

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Response to RoccoR5955 (Reply #19)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 08:30 PM

21. Which serve what purpose?

If you have a set of SSH sessions with a weak key and another set with a strong key, that is obvious from the outside. Those "weak" connections aren't going to do you any good.

Also, one can not create an SSH or VPN session with "nothing" on the other side. It has to connect to something. If you meant a connection that wasn't doing any work, that is also obvious from the outside - you can see that few or no packets are being sent, even if you can't read the contents of the packets.

Additionally, if Anonymous can crack into "strong" SSH or VPN sessions in order to block Rove's efforts, then it's even more important for them to go public so those protocols can be fixed - lots of critical things rely on those protocols working as the math says. And I have a lot of trouble believing a random guy in Anonymous figured this out when millions of PHDs and other analysts can't figure out a way to break it.

So again, the letter still makes no technical sense.

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Response to jeff47 (Reply #21)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 04:49 PM

23. Your post proves

That you do not understand these networking concepts. I believe that this is why you do not believe that the letter makes no sense.

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Response to RoccoR5955 (Reply #23)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 06:37 PM

24. Uh-huh. I note you didn't bother trying to explain exactly what's wrong.

That makes your post completely believable.

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Response to jeff47 (Reply #24)

Fri Nov 23, 2012, 10:28 AM

29. Another point.

Do you think that the folks in Anonymous want to end up in a similar situation as Bradley Manning? (Not the same situation, because of the military implications) Surely if Anonymous posted something it would be viewed by those in the Justice Department as a crime. Not to mention some of those people in government would feel that it would make people lose faith in the election systems in the US, and thus, call them terrorists.
But I guess to some, it wouldn't matter if someone who did this ended up in Guantanamo.

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Response to RoccoR5955 (Reply #29)

Fri Nov 23, 2012, 10:56 AM

31. So Anonymous is so dumb they can't make a fake gmail account?

An international organization is incapable of hosting a web site outside the US?

These guys are super-hackers that can thwart Rove, but they're so dumb they can't cover their tracks when publishing their findings?

They've never heard of TOR?

They can't simultaneously be geniuses and morons in the same subject.

Anyway, the gigantic point you are missing:

The way to replace the DRE machines quickly is to publish an election-day hack. All 'hacks' so far have required access to the ports on the voting machines or the software running on the voting machines/tabulators. The various Secretaries of State can pretend that blocking the ports and protecting the software has them covered.

This hack, if it happened, would explode all that. It would make it very easy to get the SoS to replace the machines.

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Response to RoccoR5955 (Reply #23)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 01:05 PM

28. I guess you want me to write a network manual?

I'm sorry, but I don't think that any one of us should have to write a networking manual for anyone. People wouldn't understand it. These things are complicated, and Anonymous uses colorful language to describe it. Sometimes archaic, but colorful.

I don't understand why these people keep insisting that Anonymous reveal their code, and paint a great big target on their back.

The concepts of advanced networking are not for the uninitiated into the field. Most of our techs don't understand how a lot of this stuff works. No matter how simple it's explained to them.

So unless you are a network administrator, network technician, systems programmer, or the like, YOU should simply STFU!

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Response to RoccoR5955 (Reply #28)

Fri Nov 23, 2012, 10:50 AM

30. Well then apparently I can keep talking.

Since I'm one of the coveted positions you assert are the only ones that can talk.

You could just point out which sentence of mine you find objectionable. I'll happily explain it to you.

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Response to geefloyd46 (Original post)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 09:07 PM

10. Normally, I think CTs are just loony.

This one comes with enough prior information to make it worth looking at.

We know something was up in Ohio. Secretary Husted, to the last minute, was doing everything he could to give The Twit an unfair advantage. His co-conspirator in this instance would be Karl Rove, and there is very little, including murder, that I would put past Rove. That is not to say he ever murdered anyone, but I don't think it's beyond him. He was almost certainly in on the plot to steal Ohio's vote in 2004. There is evidence to suggest that what is talked about here was in fact done in Ohio in 2004. And Anonymous has the capability to do what it, or whoever is claiming to be from Anonymous, claims to have done in this instance.

The only person we can name who could confirm that this is factual is Karl Rove himself, or any of his worker bees. Of course, Rove is not going to confirm it, since to do so would be incriminating.

So, this is one CT that is quite possibly true.

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Response to Jack Rabbit (Reply #10)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 09:13 PM

12. well even Lee Atwater

came clean at the end of his life. So maybe some day we will know.

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Response to ginnyinWI (Reply #12)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 10:15 PM

14. I won't hold my breath for Rove to come clean, even on his deathbed

That bastard is arrogant enough to think he can tell God what to do.

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Response to geefloyd46 (Original post)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 07:07 PM

25. Rove was indeed firewalled, no doubt about it.

Leaving aside any thought of what Rove intended to do, let's try to find out if any firewall was actually in place.

Assume for a moment that someone had blocked access from Fox studios in NY, to the Ohio Sec of State website. What would happen?
1. When they tried to use a fox computer, the SoS website would time-out.
2. Fox would still need that data, and some staffer (maybe Rove himself) would quickly figure out the workaround, forwarding data from some non-firewalled computer, to the fox studios.
This is exactly what happened, Rove said so.
Quoted At 1:30 of the video linked below. "... secretary of state website... I have the director of the Ohio campaign for Romney ON THE OTHER END OF THE LINE refreshing the page every few seconds."
This is positive proof that Rove was firewalled in some manner. The SofS website was operating properly, but Rove could not access it from his location. There is no other explanation for why he was getting this particular data from the Ohio director.

Moving further, let's imagine that the people who created the firewall had been quite effectively playing games with the Romney campaign's ORCA project all day long. They are laughing as Rove stammers "I'm getting my data from Ohio's campaign director". What would the hackers do? They'd block Ohio's campaign director as well.
This is exactly what happened, Rove said so.
Quoted At 3:50 of the video linked below. "Apparently the website has been crashed, because they can no longer refresh it.". There are no reports of Ohio's SofS website going down.

This is proof positive that Anonymous did indeed actively firewall Rove.

1:30 http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=9TwuR0jCavk#t=86s

3:50 http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=9TwuR0jCavk#t=230s

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Response to deluser (Reply #25)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 09:44 PM

27. Welcome to DU!

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Response to geefloyd46 (Original post)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 07:25 PM

26. are people going to prison or not!

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